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Off Grid

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(and before some of you get started were talking about logs not coordinates)

 

I just recently published a cache since its going to be brought in anyways. I was looking at some of the logs that were posted on there and to me they felt like they were attacking me offensive and I did not like them so as an individual I wanted to get rid of the negative logs but was told that I can not delete my own logs at all. Doesnt seem to matter if they offended me or not.

 

 

Geocache Maintenance

Owner is responsible for geocache listing maintenance.

As the owner of your cache listing, your responsibility includes quality control of all posts to the cache listing. Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

 

OWNERS

 

It is one of your maintenance duties as the cache owner to monitor quality control of posts to the cache page. To this end, you have the power to delete logs.

 

 

I even tried to encrypt it and well you cant...because people freak out. to me as the owner the logs were offensive it had nothing to do with the cache at hand if they would have just typed a positive hey your coordinates are off but this park is so beautiful lala than thats positive to me the comments that were left were insensitive and inappropriate to me i wanted to clean up my page. i do not care that you did not find it to me it adds to the geocache so no that is not why i would be deleting them as i said to me dnfs are positive that mean your hiding the cache right. now as it is they have reposted there logs and there just great.......

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The_Incredibles_

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Still? I thought we were ready to move on. The fact is you deleted a whole slew of DNFs, none of which were offensive. By the 3rd or 4th time, these people had to relog their DNFs, they got a bit cranky, which is understandable. But there was nothing wrong with the original DNFs.

 

My DNF, for example, that was deleted. What part of this log is offensive?

 

DNFd this afternoon with cameracowgirl after about 25 minutes. I searched many meters from the coordinates, but apparently in the wrong direction. Will return.

 

Sure, it can be upsetting to see a string of DNFs on your cache, but that's what happens when your coordinates are 22 meters off. Just sayin.

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redsox_mark

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The guidelines:

 

Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

 

I believe are there for logs which clearly are off-topic or inappropriate, and should be used sparingly. I've never deleted a log, but if a log was using unacceptable language for example you can delete it.

 

If someone logs "I gave up as this was such a horrible location for a cache" - the owner might not like it, and it might be a bit blunt and judgmental; but I wouldn't call it off-topic or inappropriate.

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palmetto

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I started to post the actual logs that you deleted, but after The Incredibles post, decided not to, as that post sums up the situation perfectly, "The fact is you deleted a whole slew of DNFs, none of which were offensive. By the 3rd or 4th time, these people had to relog their DNFs, they got a bit cranky, which is understandable. But there was nothing wrong with the original DNFs."

 

You need to let this go now.

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Legochugglers

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I assume the first thing you did was e-mail the cachers that posted the DNFs, apologise for the poor coords and confirm that matters had been sorted out. You could then have politely asked them to edit their logs by removing any particular comments that you didn't like and why you found them offensive. Done this way you may have got a more sympathetic response.

I think that boat has sailed now but you could try again. It appears that the cachers in question are now determined to report their experience and exactly how they felt when looking for the cache which they are perfectly entitled to do. It is up to your diplomacy to change this (you may need to work on this).

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The A-Team

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Lie about what exactly the coordinates were off but you didn't have to be a jerrj about it but I'm glad all ya think about is coordinates

No, the part I would have to lie about would be the "this park is so beautiful lala" part. Barring the greenspace just southeast of the Johnson Street Bridge, Banfield Park is by far the sketchiest park I've seen in Greater Victoria. Other caches I've found in this park have always had garbage and drug paraphernalia around them, and there have almost always been "sketchy" individuals around. Your cache had garbage and drug paraphernalia around it, and had a homeless guy named Darryl camping next to it. My experience when finding your cache was pretty much on par with my past visits to this park.

 

Anyway, I think you may want to take Roman!'s advice and move on to a different hobby. Based on your responses to your local community and the worldwide community here in the forums, this game just isn't for you.

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sparklefingers

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Lie about what exactly the coordinates were off but you didn't have to be a jerrj about it but I'm glad all ya think about is coordinates

 

Lie about it being a nice park. Cachers found glass and other such things when they did find the cache.

 

It is all about co-ords when they're wrong and the CO answers originally that it was to make it tougher for it to then turn into the GPS being slightly wrong and then moving the co-ords 22metres (was it that far?)

 

You also deleted logs from people that were confused by said cache. Which is confusing when you're told cache is in position A but the cache is at position B.

 

The were legit posts. You deleted the. This upsets people.

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Walts Hunting

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It appears that you have trouble with pretty much every aspect of geocaching. I would recommend that you pursue other interests which might be more to your liking.

 

Careful lthere. I once suggested someone take up a hobby more suited to his needs since he seemed to hate this one and got an emal from one of the forum gods chastizing me after he deleted my log.

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fizzymagic

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I was looking at some of the logs that were posted on there and to me they felt like they were attacking me offensive and I did not like them so as an individual I wanted to get rid of the negative logs but was told that I can not delete my own logs at all. Doesnt seem to matter if they offended me or not.

 

I think geocaching is not going to work well for you as a hobby. At the very least, you are probably not going to enjoy hiding caches.

 

So my recommendation is that you do yourself and the geocaching community a favor and not hide caches. Since you were not willing or able to read the cache hiding guidelines before your first hide, I would suspect that future hides will be problematic as well.

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AZcachemeister

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Sometimes (well actually most of the time) a cache owner needs to have thick skin...really thick...like battleship hull thick.

 

Not everyone will think your cache is as cool as you do...maybe not anyone.

 

If someone posts a DNF describing their search, that is on-topic for the cache.

 

If someone posts a note with a link to a website selling Viagra, THAT is off-topic and subject to deletion.

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Off Grid

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I was looking at some of the logs that were posted on there and to me they felt like they were attacking me offensive and I did not like them so as an individual I wanted to get rid of the negative logs but was told that I can not delete my own logs at all. Doesnt seem to matter if they offended me or not.

 

I think geocaching is not going to work well for you as a hobby. At the very least, you are probably not going to enjoy hiding caches.

 

So my recommendation is that you do yourself and the geocaching community a favor and not hide caches. Since you were not willing or able to read the cache hiding guidelines before your first hide, I would suspect that future hides will be problematic as well.

 

i am enjoying the hobby and hiding caches as well im actual going to be publishing about 3 in the next month.:)and we have hid a cache previously and there was no problems our third cache which is in motion right now is looking good and so are the other ones :)

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Off Grid

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Lie about what exactly the coordinates were off but you didn't have to be a jerrj about it but I'm glad all ya think about is coordinates

 

Lie about it being a nice park. Cachers found glass and other such things when they did find the cache.

 

It is all about co-ords when they're wrong and the CO answers originally that it was to make it tougher for it to then turn into the GPS being slightly wrong and then moving the co-ords 22metres (was it that far?)

 

You also deleted logs from people that were confused by said cache. Which is confusing when you're told cache is in position A but the cache is at position B.

 

The were legit posts. You deleted the. This upsets people.

 

well im sorry that i upset you that its still published and thats obviously what you all dont want:) so happy caching

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Off Grid

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I started to post the actual logs that you deleted, but after The Incredibles post, decided not to, as that post sums up the situation perfectly, "The fact is you deleted a whole slew of DNFs, none of which were offensive. By the 3rd or 4th time, these people had to relog their DNFs, they got a bit cranky, which is understandable. But there was nothing wrong with the original DNFs."

 

You need to let this go now.

 

yeah because when they commented the first or second time it was offensive but as ive seem to gather rules are always met to be broken

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Lie about what exactly the coordinates were off but you didn't have to be a jerrj about it but I'm glad all ya think about is coordinates

 

Lie about it being a nice park. Cachers found glass and other such things when they did find the cache.

 

It is all about co-ords when they're wrong and the CO answers originally that it was to make it tougher for it to then turn into the GPS being slightly wrong and then moving the co-ords 22metres (was it that far?)

 

You also deleted logs from people that were confused by said cache. Which is confusing when you're told cache is in position A but the cache is at position B.

 

The were legit posts. You deleted the. This upsets people.

 

yes cause were all talking about the same few posts from the same few people that stated there was garbage im talking about the messages and emails i got after but its not like you figured that one out.....

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sparklefingers

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Lie about what exactly the coordinates were off but you didn't have to be a jerrj about it but I'm glad all ya think about is coordinates

 

Lie about it being a nice park. Cachers found glass and other such things when they did find the cache.

 

It is all about co-ords when they're wrong and the CO answers originally that it was to make it tougher for it to then turn into the GPS being slightly wrong and then moving the co-ords 22metres (was it that far?)

 

You also deleted logs from people that were confused by said cache. Which is confusing when you're told cache is in position A but the cache is at position B.

 

The were legit posts. You deleted the. This upsets people.

 

yes cause were all talking about the same few posts from the same few people that stated there was garbage im talking about the messages and emails i got after but its not like you figured that one out.....

 

Yes the logs after the deleted dnfs are nice because those lucky cachers have the right co-ords and the area is clean because the poor guy that lived there was evicted so yes you made it an alright place for a cache now and have happy customers but we're talking about the deleted logs of the unhappy people that were messed around because your cache wasn't where it was meant to be... Or no sorry the cache was where you meant it to be the co-ords weren't right.

 

Then you accuse those dnfers of being snobby and having hissy fits because they could find the cache at the co-ords you gave them. You served them up a needle in a hay stack. No wonder they didn't find it.

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Roman!

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...the messages and emails i got after but its not like you figured that one out.....

 

You deleted logs because you didn't like the private messages that were sent after?

 

Is that what I'm reading here? :unsure:

 

Really, you have no business being a cache owner.

 

Forget discussing wether a cacher should have a minimum # of finds before hiding a cache, lets discuss a minimum age or age equivilant for placing caches.

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JJnTJ

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I skimmed through Off Grid's post history, and he/she/they have a pretty clear history of taking things very personally and retaliating aggressively (verbally).

 

I don't think confronting him/her/them with logic and reason will solve anything or de-escalate the situation. It's probably best to just let it go.

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NeverSummer

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

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T.D.M.22

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:drama::omnomnom:

 

I agree-why bring this up again? As others have said, it looks like the area is cleaned up, co-ords are accurate, and the homeless guy is gone. If I told someone I cache with to go to your cache, he would never know there where issues with it.

 

Just let it roll off. Technically the logs were on topic, even if you thought they were offensive. I don't get what you want here...someone to take pity on you, to say you are right? :signalviolin: I suggest you either make sure your future caches are perfect, or just not hide any. Everyone already knows who you are now. Unfortunately there are bad people out there who WILL bash your caches, saying they are bad, co-ords are off and all that-even if your cache is good-just to get a rise out of you. Don't give anyone the satisfaction of reacting. Just let everything roll. Have a Disney day Happy caching :anibad:

 

 

IBTL

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Roman!

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

 

When I find myself agreeing with NeverSummer I know the thread has really gone done hill :lol: , it's one thing being an a** on the forum, it's another doing it in your real world community, the only thing you are achieving is antagonizing your local fellow cachers.

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Off Grid

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

 

When I find myself agreeing with NeverSummer I know the thread has really gone done hill :lol: , it's one thing being an a** on the forum, it's another doing it in your real world community, the only thing you are achieving is antagonizing your local fellow cachers.

 

well i was just a positive community member i went to the park with my cache and cleaned the whole area and than looked over in awe at all the children playing in the park smiled and left

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

 

When I find myself agreeing with NeverSummer I know the thread has really gone done hill :lol: , it's one thing being an a** on the forum, it's another doing it in your real world community, the only thing you are achieving is antagonizing your local fellow cachers.

 

fwhen ever i got to caches im a positive member garbage bag in hand cleaning up the cache looking at how off the coordinates are half the time and than leaving a nice clean cache and area

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Roman!

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

 

When I find myself agreeing with NeverSummer I know the thread has really gone done hill :lol: , it's one thing being an a** on the forum, it's another doing it in your real world community, the only thing you are achieving is antagonizing your local fellow cachers.

 

well i was just a positive community member i went to the park with my cache and cleaned the whole area and than looked over in awe at all the children playing in the park smiled and left

 

Absolutely and no one is denying that but you seemed to be denying there was a garbage issue in the first place.

 

The logs on your cache page never criticized you just informed you of problems with the cache, you recitfied tham and now you are getting good feedback on your cache. The logs achieved what they intended and that was getting a few issues fixed and your cache is much better for it.

 

You've been told by numerous people that the logs were not a personal attack, they weren't. The way you handled to logs in the real world by getting better coordinates and doing a CITO on the areais great but the way you handled the logs on your cache page and on this forum showed a lot of immaturity.

 

We all have growing opportunities in life and I think for you this can be one, it's up to you what you do with it, you can come out a better person or just become more bitter thinking everyone is out to get you.

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Keystone

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I started to post the actual logs that you deleted, but after The Incredibles post, decided not to, as that post sums up the situation perfectly, "The fact is you deleted a whole slew of DNFs, none of which were offensive. By the 3rd or 4th time, these people had to relog their DNFs, they got a bit cranky, which is understandable. But there was nothing wrong with the original DNFs."

 

You need to let this go now.

 

yeah because when they commented the first or second time it was offensive but as ive seem to gather rules are always met to be broken

I am posting in support of the analysis written by my esteemed fellow reviewer, Palmetto. As reviewers we can see the deleted logs. The stories told by The Incredibles and other respected geocachers local to the OP are backed up by the (deleted) record.

 

The only "Groundspeak Rule" broken here was the OP's initial deletion of valid logs.

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Keystone

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Can we get this closed as a duplicate thread?

 

I'm sorry, but this is just crazy. Yes, you can delete logs as a cache owner. However, deleting a log due to not being able to take the sight of a DNF or some constructive criticism is just not cool.

 

As the other thread you started on this topic ended up saying to you, you need thicker skin as a cache owner, a bigger heart for humanity, and less time trying to find support for your misguided endeavors on the forums.

 

That, or find a new hobby. This is a friendly, community-based game. Try to be a community member. A positive community member. <_<

I hear you, but the primary subject of the "statistics in geocaching" thread was whether one needs to be a "high number finder" in order to achieve respect as a hider. The primary subject of this thread is the ethics of log deletion. So, let's play out that storyline, in a respectful way.

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Geocache Maintenance

Owner is responsible for geocache listing maintenance.

As the owner of your cache listing, your responsibility includes quality control of all posts to the cache listing. Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

 

I think this OP has completely misunderstood the meaning of the word inappropriate in the quoted guideline.

Logs that are inappropriate would be those that do not discuss the correct cache listing, or are spam-like adverts for other listings or products. Logs that mention the condition of the park and (in)accuracy of the coords are perfectly appropriate. If the CO was offended by them and felt that they were personal attacks, they should consider this thought-if a lot of people on the internet are saying the same things, then perhaps a few of them are correct or telling the truth?

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Off Grid

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No. To each person somethings different or has a different meaning I found it offensive and you didn't well that's your opinion on the matter its like saying to a gay person your gay well you may not find it offensive but I sure would. but to me it falls down to the cache owner is it offensive to the individual yes well than as a owner I feel I should be allows d to delete it and not have spam junk all over my log or encrypt it

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And I thought I was slow... The thread was not about logs it was about statistics and if you are to immature to realize that that's not my problem :)

 

:huh:

 

Strange then that its title is "Deleting Logs, Groundspeak rules don't apply" and the word statistics does not appear anywhere in the OP.

 

Have you heard the phrase, "When you're already in a hole, it's better to stop digging..." ?

 

MrsB

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ArcherDragoon

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(and before some of you get started were talking about logs not coordinates)

 

I just recently published a cache since its going to be brought in anyways. I was looking at some of the logs that were posted on there and to me they felt like they were attacking me offensive and I did not like them so as an individual I wanted to get rid of the negative logs but was told that I can not delete my own logs at all. Doesnt seem to matter if they offended me or not.

 

 

Geocache Maintenance

Owner is responsible for geocache listing maintenance.

As the owner of your cache listing, your responsibility includes quality control of all posts to the cache listing. Delete any logs that appear to be bogus, counterfeit, off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

 

OWNERS

 

It is one of your maintenance duties as the cache owner to monitor quality control of posts to the cache page. To this end, you have the power to delete logs.

 

 

I even tried to encrypt it and well you cant...because people freak out. to me as the owner the logs were offensive it had nothing to do with the cache at hand if they would have just typed a positive hey your coordinates are off but this park is so beautiful lala than thats positive to me the comments that were left were insensitive and inappropriate to me i wanted to clean up my page. i do not care that you did not find it to me it adds to the geocache so no that is not why i would be deleting them as i said to me dnfs are positive that mean your hiding the cache right. now as it is they have reposted there logs and there just great.......

 

And I thought I was slow... The thread was not about logs it was about statistics and if you are to immature to realize that that's not my problem :)

 

Please show us where your opening statement talks about statistics...

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I shall also add...while it was a general comment...calling others "slow" and "immature" is not helping your case in talking about being or not being offended.

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And I thought I was slow... The thread was not about logs it was about statistics and if you are to immature to realize that that's not my problem :)

 

:huh:

 

Strange then that its title is "Deleting Logs, Groundspeak rules don't apply" and the word statistics does not appear anywhere in the OP.

 

Have you heard the phrase, "When you're already in a hole, it's better to stop digging..." ?

 

MrsB

Not meant as a smart a** comment mrs B.

I think she/he means the other thread :P

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And I thought I was slow... The thread was not about logs it was about statistics and if you are to immature to realize that that's not my problem :)

 

:huh:

 

Strange then that its title is "Deleting Logs, Groundspeak rules don't apply" and the word statistics does not appear anywhere in the OP.

 

Have you heard the phrase, "When you're already in a hole, it's better to stop digging..." ?

 

MrsB

Not meant as a smart a** comment mrs B.

I think she/he means the other thread :P

 

Oh shucks... You mean I need to go and read all through another thread too?

 

[sigh]

 

Nope, my pork chops are calling me, it'll have to wait...

 

:lol:

 

 

MrsB

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Off Grid

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And I thought I was slow... The thread was not about logs it was about statistics and if you are to immature to realize that that's not my problem :)

 

:huh:

 

Strange then that its title is "Deleting Logs, Groundspeak rules don't apply" and the word statistics does not appear anywhere in the OP.

 

Have you heard the phrase, "When you're already in a hole, it's better to stop digging..." ?

 

MrsB

Not meant as a smart a** comment mrs B.

I think she/he means the other thread :P

 

Oh shucks... You mean I need to go and read all through another thread too?

 

[sigh]

 

Nope, my pork chops are calling me, it'll have to wait...

 

:lol:

 

 

MrsB

 

 

mm pork chops

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