Vulgar cache got approved

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Hmm, building on that idea...

 

It would be neat to have "culture caches" that involve doing a cache that includes something cultural. Like a nude beach cache in Italy (or wherever that's common).

 

I can't think of any others right now but I will. Could be a cool experience of learning local customs, cultures!

[+rawkhopper]

As a woman I am offended by that cartoon. As a vegetarian I love it.

 

Oh what to do?!

 

J/P

 

Is there a nude beach cache? I'm pretty reserved myself so don't know if I could do it... but that would be a great challenge cache!

Well based on your past posts I would say you walk away offended and don't do anything.

[+Mongo1965]

I find this whole topic offensive. So I want everyone to change there post to something that

I approve of.

[+rawkhopper]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Edited December 2, 2010 by jameyp

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Well why does your morality automatically trump mine?

It doesn't. But then, I'm not the one expecting you to limit your activities to suit my moral code. However, you're expecting others to limit their activities to suit your moral code.

 

I am expecting someone not to complain about an individual trying to make sure this place stays family friendly for the masses. They could have done it privately first that is my only beef.

 

And it is not to fit my moral code it is to fit the family friendly code.

 

Please edit your post to replace the word "beef" with a word that I, a vegan, find non offensive. My family is vegan and I come to geocaching expecting it to be family friendly.

 

If you don't edit your post I will report it to a moderator to do so. If that doesn't work, I'm getting PETA (no People Eating jokes) in here.

 

See how that logic works?

I see how your logic works. It basically says its all or nothing. In your eyes there is no such thing as family friendly. You say I can say whatever I want as long as it doesn't offend you we are ok. I say family friendly is fairly understood by the masses and just because a few want to push the envelop doesn't mean that it has changed. Sex, drugs, alchohol, and the 7 words as per the FCC is accepted as not family friendly to anyone I know that has kids. Maybe you believe otherwise but I doubt the majority of people with kids believe as you do.

 

That's a very closed minded statement. Alcohol is not an issue in some other countries like it

[+Chokecherry]

Family friendly is still on quite a continuum. I found the original cache page to be perfectly family friend. The page was written in a way that unless you had knowledge of the innuendos you would be none the wiser to what was being written about. Any young child would be clueless as to what was written on that page.

 

My friends and I probably have a vastly different view of what constitutes family friendly than other people do. In our world (and this included while we were growing up as well) sex was something that was talked about openly. As was alcohol (how many people have beer in their fridge after all). It was something that was talked about openly and honestly. If we saw sex in pop culture we'd go home and ask about what we saw with the parents and get open and honest answers.

 

Family friendly exists on a continuum from puritan probably all the way over to the far left like my beliefs and my family. Somewhere in the middle is the innuendo. As noted before any child around me would not even bat an eye when if I read "doing the deed" outloud since I use that phrase in my day to day life to describe any number of activities.

 

I prefer to have the option to choose what the children in my life can and can't view. I monitor their computer usage. I don't set them free on any site to play around on. Always bothered me in fact when kids come on here announcing their age for all of the world to see apparently unsupervised. I don't need someone else telling me what the children in my life can and cannot see based on their idea of family friendly.

[+Gorak]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

[+rawkhopper]

Well why does your morality automatically trump mine?

It doesn't. But then, I'm not the one expecting you to limit your activities to suit my moral code. However, you're expecting others to limit their activities to suit your moral code.

 

I am expecting someone not to complain about an individual trying to make sure this place stays family friendly for the masses. They could have done it privately first that is my only beef.

 

And it is not to fit my moral code it is to fit the family friendly code.

 

Please edit your post to replace the word "beef" with a word that I, a vegan, find non offensive. My family is vegan and I come to geocaching expecting it to be family friendly.

 

If you don't edit your post I will report it to a moderator to do so. If that doesn't work, I'm getting PETA (no People Eating jokes) in here.

 

See how that logic works?

I see how your logic works. It basically says its all or nothing. In your eyes there is no such thing as family friendly. You say I can say whatever I want as long as it doesn't offend you we are ok. I say family friendly is fairly understood by the masses and just because a few want to push the envelop doesn't mean that it has changed. Sex, drugs, alchohol, and the 7 words as per the FCC is accepted as not family friendly to anyone I know that has kids. Maybe you believe otherwise but I doubt the majority of people with kids believe as you do.

 

That's a very closed minded statement. Alcohol is not an issue in some other countries like it

I did qualify that with Most people I know with children.

Edited December 2, 2010 by jameyp

[+rawkhopper]

Anyway back to my question would any of you support me in making a religious cache?

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

I see how your logic works. It basically says its all or nothing. In your eyes there is no such thing as family friendly. You say I can say whatever I want as long as it doesn't offend you we are ok. I say family friendly is fairly understood by the masses and just because a few want to push the envelop doesn't mean that it has changed. Sex, drugs, alchohol, and the 7 words as per the FCC is accepted as not family friendly to anyone I know that has kids. Maybe you believe otherwise but I doubt the majority of people with kids believe as you do.

 

That's a very closed minded statement. Alcohol is not an issue in some other countries like it is here in the US. In some other countries children drink wine at dinner.

 

In Amsterdam folks smoke pot in cafes.

 

Not everyone thinks sex is a dirty secret.

 

If you feel geocaching does not align with your value system you are free to not participate or to be more selective in which caches you choose.

 

Geocaching is a global game.

 

My family friendly is very different than your version. It's up to us, as adults, to decide what we participate in.

 

I had a great tee shirt in high school that featured a crowd of people. In the middle, out of thousands, was a man with the caption, "You mean it's NOT all about me."

It's not "the world according to chrisy" as much as I'd like that sometimes.

Edited December 2, 2010 by SeekerOfTheWay

[+roundnround we go]

As a woman I am offended by that cartoon. As a vegetarian I love it.

 

Oh what to do?!

 

J/P

 

Is there a nude beach cache? I'm pretty reserved myself so don't know if I could do it... but that would be a great challenge cache!

 

Depending on what part of Florida your in maybe this cache might interest you

 

Owasso Shalom Clothing Optional Cache

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Anyway back to my question would any of you support me in making a religious cache?

 

If it's allowed in per the guidelines, go right ahead.

 

I'd put it on my ignore list though. I don't support religions and I'm atheist.

 

But I support your right to make a religious cache if it is allowable in the guidelines (which it's not).

 

Religion is very family unfriendly in ny opinion.

[+Chokecherry]

Anyway back to my question would any of you support me in making a religious cache?

 

I've seen a religious cache. I likely will find it someday. It is for a religion that I personally don't believe in as I'm agnostic.

 

I really don't have that much of a problem with it even though the guidelines prohibit it. If you feel that caching is the best way to press your agenda good for you.

Edited December 2, 2010 by Chokecherry

[+rawkhopper]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Ok how about a cache about a man. The mans name is D. James Kennedy. If I told on the cache about his life and about what he tried to accomplish would that be religious?

[knowschad]

Well why does your morality automatically trump mine?

It doesn't. But then, I'm not the one expecting you to limit your activities to suit my moral code. However, you're expecting others to limit their activities to suit your moral code.

 

I am expecting someone not to complain about an individual trying to make sure this place stays family friendly for the masses. They could have done it privately first that is my only beef.

 

And it is not to fit my moral code it is to fit the family friendly code.

 

Please edit your post to replace the word "beef" with a word that I, a vegan, find non offensive. My family is vegan and I come to geocaching expecting it to be family friendly.

 

If you don't edit your post I will report it to a moderator to do so. If that doesn't work, I'm getting PETA (no People Eating jokes) in here.

 

See how that logic works?

I see how your logic works. It basically says its all or nothing. In your eyes there is no such thing as family friendly. You say I can say whatever I want as long as it doesn't offend you we are ok. I say family friendly is fairly understood by the masses and just because a few want to push the envelop doesn't mean that it has changed. Sex, drugs, alchohol, and the 7 words as per the FCC is accepted as not family friendly to anyone I know that has kids. Maybe you believe otherwise but I doubt the majority of people with kids believe as you do.

Last I checked, "Doing the deed" was not on their list.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

As a woman I am offended by that cartoon. As a vegetarian I love it.

 

Oh what to do?!

 

J/P

 

Is there a nude beach cache? I'm pretty reserved myself so don't know if I could do it... but that would be a great challenge cache!

Well based on your past posts I would say you walk away offended and don't do anything.

 

You're right, I wouldn't take action. You're wrong that I'd be offended. I don't impose my morals on others.

 

I enjoy discussions and debate.

 

I don't get angry though. I just think it's interesting.

[+rawkhopper]

As a woman I am offended by that cartoon. As a vegetarian I love it.

 

Oh what to do?!

 

J/P

 

Is there a nude beach cache? I'm pretty reserved myself so don't know if I could do it... but that would be a great challenge cache!

Well based on your past posts I would say you walk away offended and don't do anything.

 

You're right, I wouldn't take action. You're wrong that I'd be offended. I don't impose my morals on others.

 

I enjoy discussions and debate.

 

I don't get angry though. I just think it's interesting.

You said you were offended.

[+Chokecherry]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Ok how about a cache about a man. The mans name is D. James Kennedy. If I told on the cache about his life and about what he tried to accomplish would that be religious?

 

Dude I went to a cache at a monastery in honor of a priest. Didn't phase me and the view and building were beautiful. If that's something you want to do and it's with in the guidelines do it. But at the same time I would ask if I wanted to put a cache out in honor of Anton Levey you woudl afford me the same tolerance that you are being given .

[+NicknPapa]

How would you explain THAT to your kids?

 

"Well, little Timmy, some times people like to have naked time..."

 

 

I'd be concerned about poison ivy.

Poison Ivy? That I could deal with....

I'd be concerned with the things my Mom called Saw Briars. Those make roses and blackberry vines look pleasant, poison ivy just plain friendly

[+rawkhopper]

Ok I give. I can't keep up.

Too many replies running through my head and my fingers don't type that fast.

 

I tried to walk away earlier but failed, I will try again.

 

It's like a moth walking away from the flame.

 

Anyway it was at least nice chatting with you folks.

 

And by the way I was never offended by anything that was said nor by the original cache listing. I was however attempting to say that I do believe this matter to be non family friendly. That is different from being offended.

[+Gorak]

I see how your logic works. It basically says its all or nothing. In your eyes there is no such thing as family friendly. You say I can say whatever I want as long as it doesn't offend you we are ok. I say family friendly is fairly understood by the masses and just because a few want to push the envelop doesn't mean that it has changed. Sex, drugs, alchohol, and the 7 words as per the FCC is accepted as not family friendly to anyone I know that has kids. Maybe you believe otherwise but I doubt the majority of people with kids believe as you do.

 

That's a very closed minded statement. Alcohol is not an issue in some other countries like it is here in the US. In some other countries children drink wine ayt dinner.

 

You can buy beer in street vending machines in Tokyo!

 

In Amsterdam folks smoke pot in cafes.

They do in Vancouver, too. Canadians are very liberal toward those who like to balance their chi.

 

Not everyone thinks sex is a dirty secret.

You should watch TV in Germany or Scandinavia!

 

If you feel geocaching not align with your value system you are free to not participate or to be more selective in which caches you choose.

That is what sensible people would do. Put the onus on yourself to avoid what offends you, not on others to cater to your differing morality.

 

Geocaching is a global game.

You probably wouldn't be surprised to know that most of Europe and Asia think Americans are pretty repressed, except when it comes to violence.

 

My family friendly is very different than your version. It's up to us, as adults, to decide what we participate in.

 

Well said!

 

[+Gorak]

Religion is very family unfriendly in ny opinion.

+1

 

[+rickjill]

Anyway back to my question would any of you support me in making a religious cache?

You already know the answer to your question is in the guidelines.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

You said you were offended.

 

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Angry is not the same as offended. I'd say I get "down" or feel a twinge of sadness when someone eats a burger for example. But I don't get angry! That would be a little crazy. They have a right to do so. I have the option to not and live how I think is right.

[+Gorak]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Ok how about a cache about a man. The mans name is D. James Kennedy. If I told on the cache about his life and about what he tried to accomplish would that be religious?

If it's a cache, I'll go find it. I don't care where it is located, what it's called, what you stuff into the box or what message/agenda your cache is attempting to promote. Theme caches don't tend to retain their theme for very long before they get filled up with junk.

 

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

You said you were offended.

 

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Angry is not the same as offended. I'd say I get "down" or feel a twinge of sadness when someone eats a burger for example. But I don't get angry! That would be a little crazy. They have a right to do so. I have the option to not and live how I think is right.

[+rawkhopper]

As a woman I am offended

You're wrong that I'd be offended.

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Huh?

Edited December 2, 2010 by jameyp

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Ok I give. I can't keep up.

Too many replies running through my head and my fingers don't type that fast.

 

I tried to walk away earlier but failed, I will try again.

 

It's like a moth walking away from the flame.

 

Anyway it was at least nice chatting with you folks.

 

And by the way I was never offended by anything that was said nor by the original cache listing. I was however attempting to say that I do believe this matter to be non family friendly. That is different from being offended.

 

How do you think I feel!? I'm here pecking away on my BlackBerry! Haha

 

Thanks for the great discussion! It was fun.

 

Hope to see you on the geotrail!

[+Chokecherry]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Ok how about a cache about a man. The mans name is D. James Kennedy. If I told on the cache about his life and about what he tried to accomplish would that be religious?

If it's a cache, I'll go find it. I don't care where it is located, what it's called, what you stuff into the box or what message/agenda your cache is attempting to promote. Theme caches don't tend to retain their theme for very long before they get filled up with junk.

 

 

No one says you have to read the stuff in the cache or even the cache page. Sometimes if I know I might not agree with the cache stuff I don't read the page and don't read the stuff the owner shoved in the cache. But I still get a find and usually some neato pictures and that, in the end, is what matters to me. Some place neat to go and pretty pictures to be had.

[+rawkhopper]

double sorry

Edited December 2, 2010 by jameyp

[+rawkhopper]

Ok I give. I can't keep up.

Too many replies running through my head and my fingers don't type that fast.

 

I tried to walk away earlier but failed, I will try again.

 

It's like a moth walking away from the flame.

 

Anyway it was at least nice chatting with you folks.

 

And by the way I was never offended by anything that was said nor by the original cache listing. I was however attempting to say that I do believe this matter to be non family friendly. That is different from being offended.

 

How do you think I feel!? I'm here pecking away on my BlackBerry! Haha

 

Thanks for the great discussion! It was fun.

 

Hope to see you on the geotrail!

Cheers and happy trails to you, and man your thumbs are fast!

[+Gorak]

As a woman I am offended

You're wrong that I'd be offended.

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Huh?

You do understand humour and sarcasm, don't you?

 

BTW - didn't you just say you were done with this thread?

 

[+rawkhopper]

As a woman I am offended

You're wrong that I'd be offended.

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Huh?

You do understand humour and sarcasm, don't you?

 

BTW - didn't you just say you were done with this thread?

 

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

As a woman I am offended

You're wrong that I'd be offended.

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Huh?

 

Let me clear this up.

 

Me saying the cartoon offended me as a woman, and made me happy as a vegan was a joke. The cartoon was hilarious! Loved it.

 

I *am offended by meat eating. That's what I was referring to when I said I can disagree with what someone does (eats meat) and not take action. Because who am I to tell them how to live.

 

All clear?

[+NicknPapa]

Would any of those against the purpose of the OP support me creating a religious cache?

Personally, I could care less what sort of cache you place. However, the GC Guidelines clearly state:

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

 

Ok how about a cache about a man. The mans name is D. James Kennedy. If I told on the cache about his life and about what he tried to accomplish would that be religious?

 

Is it an interesting story? If so I would probably read it. Is the cache in an interesting place? If so I would probably go there. The same goes for the cache the OP was complaining about. Would I consider either one to less than "family friendly"? Nope. If I did I would simply ignore them.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

As a woman I am offended

You're wrong that I'd be offended.

I can be offended by something and still support someone's right to say or do that which offends me.

 

Huh?

You do understand humour and sarcasm, don't you?

 

BTW - didn't you just say you were done with this thread?

 

 

That's some innuendo if I ever saw! Whew.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

As a woman I am offended by that cartoon. As a vegetarian I love it.

 

Oh what to do?!

 

J/P

 

Is there a nude beach cache? I'm pretty reserved myself so don't know if I could do it... but that would be a great challenge cache!

 

Depending on what part of Florida your in maybe this cache might interest you

 

Owasso Shalom Clothing Optional Cache

 

It's on my to do list. Will be a great log!

[+tozainamboku]

Cheers and happy trails to you, and man your thumbs are fast!

 

There must be some vulgar inuendo somewhere in that statement.

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

LOL! There and after I submitted my last post I thought the same about it.

 

This thread has backfired!

[Space*Cadet]

I approve much less of using the cache page as a forum to air your grievances. Either contact a reviewer or don't, but leave the cache page alone.

 

reviewer has been contacted - we will see what is said - I really want to know what the limits are in Geo-caching

 

This is a adult theme and we are not allowed adult material in the caches, along with weapons, drugs or knives. IN keeping with that we do have our limits on what should be done and this one is way over the limit.

 

Well...I did write a little note to the Reviewer and this was their response:

 

Iron Horse Reviewer to me

show details 7:40 PM (22 hours ago)

 

"Thanks for writing. This issue has been addressed with the cache

owner prior to publication, and it was felt that I could not make her

change it. It was published with my opinion that the local cachers

would make their voices known. Thank you for speaking up"

[+LukeTrocity]

Still say if you think its vulgar you could just hit ignore. Personally I would thin watching the news on any given night would be more vulgar. Your kids know that sex EXISTS right?

[+narcissa]

OMG ppl have secks in high school? And they aren't ashamed of it? HOW SHOCKING AND HORRIBLE!!!

[Space*Cadet]

OMG ppl have secks in high school? And they aren't ashamed of it? HOW SHOCKING AND HORRIBLE!!!

 

Yeah...but we all don't need to know about it!

[+LukeTrocity]

OMG ppl have secks in high school? And they aren't ashamed of it? HOW SHOCKING AND HORRIBLE!!!

 

Yeah...but we all don't need to know about it!

Again you know sex exists right? In fact, there's a chance that *gasp* you were conceived by it!

[+narcissa]

OMG ppl have secks in high school? And they aren't ashamed of it? HOW SHOCKING AND HORRIBLE!!!

 

Yeah...but we all don't need to know about it!

Again you know sex exists right? In fact, there's a chance that *gasp* you were conceived by it!

 

Ewww, my parents had sex??? EWWWWWWW! That's VULGAR!

[+SeekerOfTheWay]

Omg eww! That is vulgar, agreed! Gross! I'm outta this vomitorium!

Edited December 3, 2010 by SeekerOfTheWay

[+narcissa]

Wait...

 

kids = family

 

sex = kids

 

Ergo, sex = family!

[+LukeTrocity]

Omg eww! That is vulgar, agreed! Gross! I'm outta this vomitorium!

Actually that is really vulgar now that I think of it....Yuck

[+Castle Mischief]

Wait...

 

kids = family

 

Not always.

 

sex = kids

 

Not always.

 

Ergo, sex = family!

 

Not always.

[+DadOf6Furrballs]

Anyway back to my question would any of you support me in making a religious cache?

Do what you need to do. If the reviewer approves it, no problem.

 

As for "religious" caches, we've found a couple. GC24Z4W "at the feet of Jesus" comes to mind, although I wouldn't necessarily call it "religious". But it didn't bother either of us at all, and neither of us are are of any mainstream faith. Just another smiley way up in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado, in a nice location across the road from St. Malo chapel, south of Estes Park. A very nice spot for a cache. Who cares what it's named.