+swirl-girl Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I found a whole pack of Black Cat firecrackers in a cache today. I took them out & disposed of them and left behind some glow sticks. What are people thinking? I understand that for "some people" this would be fine, but you don't know who's going to find them. Am I just getting old? Quote Link to comment
GOF's Sock Puppet Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 You did the right thing removing them and the trade makes it legit even to the most hardcore swag fanatics. Quote Link to comment
+buttaskotch Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 That was the correct thing to do. Fireworks are completely inappropriate. If you can track down who was the culprit that placed them in the cache and politely let them know that it is not a good trade item. And cite Groundspeak guidelines. Quote Link to comment
+coggins Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Someone looking to have the bomb squad visit, again??? Quote Link to comment
+Happy Bubbles Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 What's the big deal? They're just firecrackers. They're not going to leap out and bite anyone. Quote Link to comment
Motorcycle_Mama Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. Quote Link to comment
+scuba_2 Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Gun powder becomes unstable with heat moisture and time so removng them was the right thing. Quote Link to comment
+Minimike2 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I agree on the removal, but firecrackers don't use 'gunpowder.' Gunpowder implies black powder (a low explosive) or smokeless powder (a propellant.) Firecrackers use an aluminum based, fast burning chemical. It only goes BOOM because it is tightly contained - loose, it is just flash powder. Quote Link to comment
+GrateBear Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 "Getting old" depends on how you got rid of them. Lighting them off, no. Soaking them in water, yes. Quote Link to comment
+Coldgears Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Lol, If firecrackers were legal in my state I'd shove them in every cache imaginable. Sadly, they are illegal. Quote Link to comment
+Warturtle Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) Honestly, I don't think anything is going to get hurt with a black cat unless you are holding it in your hand and it goes off, or you throw it into a dry field that has been doused in gasoline. Edited July 12, 2010 by UtahnBirder Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Quote Link to comment
+brslk Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. I really can't see a muggle leaving a full pack of firecrackers though. Why would they? They do have a value. Quote Link to comment
aniyn Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Aww, why can I never find inappropriate swag like that? All I ever get to remove is food and .22 cal bullets. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. Are you a lawyer, or do you play one on TV? Because it is clear what the spirit of the guideline meant. Quote Link to comment
+brslk Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. Are you a lawyer, or do you play one on TV? Because it is clear what the spirit of the guideline meant. My wife is a Lawyer. I run all questionable things by her. (it's cheaper than a divorce) I don't pick the nits... I just point them out and let people like you run with it. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. Are you a lawyer, or do you play one on TV? Because it is clear what the spirit of the guideline meant. My wife is a Lawyer. I run all questionable things by her. (it's cheaper than a divorce) I don't pick the nits... I just point them out and let people like you run with it. Did you find this guideline questionable, and if so, did you run it by her? I'm not interested in running with this one, but there's probably someone who would be interested in opening another bug. I do find it interesting, though off topic, that you would capitalize "lawyer" Quote Link to comment
+brslk Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. Are you a lawyer, or do you play one on TV? Because it is clear what the spirit of the guideline meant. My wife is a Lawyer. I run all questionable things by her. (it's cheaper than a divorce) I don't pick the nits... I just point them out and let people like you run with it. Did you find this guideline questionable, and if so, did you run it by her? I'm not interested in running with this one, but there's probably someone who would be interested in opening another bug. I do find it interesting, though off topic, that you would capitalize "lawyer" Create an off topic thread that asks me why I would capitalize the word and I will give you several reasons. Stay cool. Quote Link to comment
+power69 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Aww, why can I never find inappropriate swag like that? All I ever get to remove is food and .22 cal bullets. I found a loaded .22 pistol once. yeah i traded fair too. Quote Link to comment
vagabond Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. I really can't see a muggle leaving a full pack of firecrackers though. Why would they? They do have a value. might want to read this? Quote Link to comment
ashnikes Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 (edited) i agree with brslk. fireworks are like sparklers, and spray light showering things, firecrackers are nothing but gunpowder in a paper container with a short fuse. both are bad ideas for a cache container, but they are two different types. course since most caches get wet right, then all those fireworks, and firecrackers, are useless and no longer dangerous anyway. Edited July 12, 2010 by ashnikes Quote Link to comment
+BulldogBlitz Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 there went my idea for a "razors edge" cache requesting straight razor trades. Quote Link to comment
+buttaskotch Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. I really can't see a muggle leaving a full pack of firecrackers though. Why would they? They do have a value. In many areas fireworks and firecrackers are illegal. As well as dangerous. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Fireworks and firecrackers are two different things. Huh?!? Come on now. The guidelines state "Explosives, fireworks," I think that firecrackers clearly fit at least one of those categories. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 i agree with brslk. firecrackers are nothing but gunpowder in a paper container with a short fuse. In other words... an explosive. Quote Link to comment
+BulldogBlitz Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 "no fireworks" seems a bit hypocritical on the rule book though. someone can put a cache in a tree, not really warn the participants about having to climb the tree... or put it on the rim of an active volcano.... or into a cave which would require special skill.... however, put a sparkler in a cache and it is akin to an attempt on the president's life. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 "no fireworks" seems a bit hypocritical on the rule book though. The way I see it, putting a cache in a hazardous location only endangers those who consciously makes an attempt to go retrieve it, hopefully in full realization of the difficulty and dangers and took the proper precaution. It's not like someone would be casually going on his evening stroll and stumble across a geocache tied 60 feet up a tree. Such people do, on occasion, stumble across geocaches hidden in more accessible areas. Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 "no fireworks" seems a bit hypocritical on the rule book though. someone can put a cache in a tree, not really warn the participants about having to climb the tree... or put it on the rim of an active volcano.... or into a cave which would require special skill.... however, put a sparkler in a cache and it is akin to an attempt on the president's life. It has more to do with things that aren't allowed in some areas where caches may be hidden and the general perception of caching as viewed by land managers in those same areas. Ditto for knives. It has little if anything to do with safety. Quote Link to comment
+scuba_2 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 what if kids find caches with fireworks? or one of those superduper chinese fireworks that have chemicals in that realy do not like water ! they are great fun when damp! Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Now that right there is just priceless. La dee da, la dee da I walking along life's path. Oh, what's that? A plastic sandwich container? Odd place for that to be left. Ummmmm, upon closer inspection.....oh it is filled with a bunch of carp and a small note pad. What's this here? Oh I see, it says that it is a 'geocache', wonder what that is? What the hey, I gots me this here pack 'o firecracker thingies, guess I might as well drop them in there. Geeze, hope that no one minds too much. I think that this would be mildly funny iffin I could stop crying. PBTA Most Merciful. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Now that right there is just priceless. La dee da, la dee da I walking along life's path. Oh, what's that? A plastic sandwich container? Odd place for that to be left. Ummmmm, upon closer inspection.....oh it is filled with a bunch of carp and a small note pad. What's this here? Oh I see, it says that it is a 'geocache', wonder what that is? What the hey, I gots me this here pack 'o firecracker thingies, guess I might as well drop them in there. Geeze, hope that no one minds too much. I think that this would be mildly funny iffin I could stop crying. PBTA Most Merciful. Yup, that's about how it would play out. Probably 14 year old boys out in the woods blowing things up. Thanks for helping me out there, good buddy. As usual, you add so much to the conversation. So glad you're here. Keep up the good fight! Quote Link to comment
+scuba_2 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 I would have thought 14 year old boys would be more likley to be looking for porn! now theres a thought! Quote Link to comment
carrie12 Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... 22, eh? Quote Link to comment
+brslk Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Now that right there is just priceless. La dee da, la dee da I walking along life's path. Oh, what's that? A plastic sandwich container? Odd place for that to be left. Ummmmm, upon closer inspection.....oh it is filled with a bunch of carp and a small note pad. What's this here? Oh I see, it says that it is a 'geocache', wonder what that is? What the hey, I gots me this here pack 'o firecracker thingies, guess I might as well drop them in there. Geeze, hope that no one minds too much. I think that this would be mildly funny iffin I could stop crying. PBTA Most Merciful. Yup, that's about how it would play out. Probably 14 year old boys out in the woods blowing things up. Thanks for helping me out there, good buddy. As usual, you add so much to the conversation. So glad you're here. Keep up the good fight! I never claimed that fireworks or firecrackers should be placed in caches but seriously? you honestly believe that 14 year old boys would spend money on firecrackers and put them in a cache? Maybe if they lit them first! I think TC's post pretty much sums up how unlikely that would happen. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 12, 2010 Share Posted July 12, 2010 It's against the guidelines. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#contents Cache Contents Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. What's with all of the opinions following this post, anyway? This isn't a matter of your opinion or mine, whether they are unstable, or what they are made of. The guidelines are quite clear on this. To the OP... while I may be wrong, I suspect that most of the time, "swag" of this nature is left by muggles that discover the cache. Now that right there is just priceless. La dee da, la dee da I walking along life's path. Oh, what's that? A plastic sandwich container? Odd place for that to be left. Ummmmm, upon closer inspection.....oh it is filled with a bunch of carp and a small note pad. What's this here? Oh I see, it says that it is a 'geocache', wonder what that is? What the hey, I gots me this here pack 'o firecracker thingies, guess I might as well drop them in there. Geeze, hope that no one minds too much. I think that this would be mildly funny iffin I could stop crying. PBTA Most Merciful. Yup, that's about how it would play out. Probably 14 year old boys out in the woods blowing things up. Thanks for helping me out there, good buddy. As usual, you add so much to the conversation. So glad you're here. Keep up the good fight! I never claimed that fireworks or firecrackers should be placed in caches but seriously? you honestly believe that 14 year old boys would spend money on firecrackers and put them in a cache? Maybe if they lit them first! I think TC's post pretty much sums up how unlikely that would happen. Who said they spent their own money? For that matter, its pretty tough for kids to buy their own firecrackers in the first place. Look, its ridiculous to argue this speculation (remember, I DID say, "while I may be wrong, I suspect"), I don't think that any of you good folks would have done it... so, who did? Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 I don't think that any of you good folks would have done it... so, who did? It is obviously someone in a conspiracy to get geocaching banned. I'd tell you, but there's this black van parked around the corner for the last 2 hours now... Quote Link to comment
+slukster Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Lol, If firecrackers were legal in my state I'd shove them in every cache imaginable. Sadly, they are illegal. I always get a kick out of how Pennsylvanians can not use fireworks but yet they are sold throughout the state to out of stater's. Crazy!! PA Fireworks law Quote Link to comment
carrie12 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... 22, eh? Yeah, it was actually a .22 short, hollowed point round. Dont think it would just explode or anything (though I am in Texas, HOT!) but if a youngster hit it with a hammer it could be bad. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 but if a youngster hit it with a hammer it could be bad. Jagged brass shrapnel flying at relatively low speed and a tiny lead bullet just sitting there, most likely. Not saying that it couldn't put an eye out, but that's about it. Nevertheless, still against the guidelines. Quote Link to comment
+thedeadpirate Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... OH NOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!! Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... OH NOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!! Nice try, but that link refers to .22 CALIBER, not .22 CALIPER. (Does this remind you of My Cousin Vinny?) Quote Link to comment
+Da Beast Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Someone looking to have the bomb squad visit, again??? yep anything that would set off the explosive sensor Quote Link to comment
carrie12 Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... OH NOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!! Nice try, but that link refers to .22 CALIBER, not .22 CALIPER. (Does this remind you of My Cousin Vinny?) Give me a break I worked 12 hours today, and no I dont work at Just Brakes! Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 Not to high-jack your thread, but today I found a Live 22 Caliper Round in a cache! I removed it of course... OH NOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!! Nice try, but that link refers to .22 CALIBER, not .22 CALIPER. (Does this remind you of My Cousin Vinny?) Give me a break I worked 12 hours today, and no I dont work at Just Brakes! Breaks given at no charge. Quote Link to comment
+Qbar Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 (edited) Aww, why can I never find inappropriate swag like that? All I ever get to remove is food and .22 cal bullets. I found a loaded .22 pistol once. yeah i traded fair too. Seriously?? In a cache? So what DID you trade for it. (The idea of finding a pistol, loaded or otherwise, in a cache fascinated me.) Edited July 13, 2010 by Qbar Quote Link to comment
Andronicus Posted July 13, 2010 Share Posted July 13, 2010 but if a youngster hit it with a hammer it could be bad. Jagged brass shrapnel flying at relatively low speed and a tiny lead bullet just sitting there, most likely. Not saying that it couldn't put an eye out, but that's about it. Nevertheless, still against the guidelines. I think I posted this in that other thread, but a friend of mine had a .22 bullet go off in his pocket (a RC glowplug battery shorted accross it). Some of the brass got imbeded in his leg. He had to go to the hospital to have it removed. And of couse because it was a "gun shot wound", had a visit form the local cop (who he know). No long term damage, and that went off while touching his leg. Quote Link to comment
+gatoller Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 A few weeks ago I removed a BIG firecracker from a cache in Florida.. it was one of those illegal home-made ones that are commonly called 'M-1000' crackers, made by cutting a stick of dynamite in quarters and waxing the ends with a fuse in them. This is the type of cracker that took a guy's arm off on the Fourth of July this year. Whoever put it in there is beyond stupid. I soaked it in the Gulf of Mexico for a bit (no, not the oily part), then crushed it and buried it. I always wonder about those things, I figure the people who make them should be incarcerated on just plain lack of brains, as they clearly don't know what taggants are, and that they are in all dynamite. Quote Link to comment
+scuba_2 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 so to play devils advacate then a peice of semtex would be fine so long as you do not leave a deternater as well! (you know the army cut off pieces of this stuff and use it as a fire lighter. but conect it to a dedonator and its a whole different story) Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) A few weeks ago I removed a BIG firecracker from a cache in Florida.. it was one of those illegal home-made ones that are commonly called 'M-1000' crackers, made by cutting a stick of dynamite in quarters and waxing the ends with a fuse in them. This is the type of cracker that took a guy's arm off on the Fourth of July this year. Whoever put it in there is beyond stupid. I soaked it in the Gulf of Mexico for a bit (no, not the oily part), then crushed it and buried it. I always wonder about those things, I figure the people who make them should be incarcerated on just plain lack of brains, as they clearly don't know what taggants are, and that they are in all dynamite. As opposed to those legal homemade ones. Got a GC# on that one? Edited July 15, 2010 by Team Cotati Quote Link to comment
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