Geowoodstock 6 Traders?

3.1k · October 23, 2007

I realize that it is a bit early to ask this question, but it is inevitable that it was going to be asked. In light of GeoWoodstock 6 being just around the corner ( :laughing: ), I am sure many of you are in the process of desiging and or already minting a new personal coin for the big event.

Would anyone care to state there intent or maybe even share their idea/concept???

I will start, I am hoping to have three new coins with me and they are as follows:

BooBoo will have her very first personal coin to trade. It will be a Trolley coin utilizing the image from her profile.
BooBoo and I will colaberate on an all new personal. Concept to include Stars, Fairies and the Moon.
My all new Lenticular Lens coin that will be a Face to Face trade only, limited quantities will be "handed" out!

1.3k · October 23, 2007

We plan on having a new personal to trade at the event (if we actually make it there). Concept is still up in the air.

1.2k · October 23, 2007

Well we just got done with our personal. I would like to, now to convince the misses

3.1k · October 23, 2007

Well we just got done with our personal. I would like to, now to convince the misses

Hey do you want to lug around the Mega so I don't have to???

8.1k · October 23, 2007

Dang wish I was going.

4.9k · October 23, 2007

Yup Horse That's all I will divulge

October 23, 2007

We will be there but we have yet to come up with the perfect design...or the requisite funding to mint said coin.

3.1k · October 23, 2007

We are considering doing something.

Everyone should keep in mind the Geowoodstock people have strict rules about using the name "Geowoodstock" and even rules about using the letters "GW" I guess they are claiming ownership over the letters "G" and "W"......

3.1k · October 23, 2007

We are considering doing something.

Everyone should keep in mind the Geowoodstock people have strict rules about using the name "Geowoodstock" and even rules about using the letters "GW" I guess they are claiming ownership over the letters "G" and "W"......

Well I am going to wish them good luck enforcing this , I copy righted the alphabet so I have all the rights i need.

I was going to do a coin that says "Geowoodstock" in all the foreign languages ! Or maybe a round coin with the letter "G" on one side and the letter "W" on the other side.

October 23, 2007

Yes, I hope to have a coin for the event. (I won't mention the G or W). I'll be looking for you, Dennis, and Kelly, and Stephanie, and . . .

October 23, 2007

Yep, I've got an idea and it involves a toilet

2.3k · October 23, 2007

We are working on one, it is shaped and the word Geowoodstock appears no where although the letters G and W are on the coin but I think we will be fine....

Edited October 23, 2007 by Team Jsam

3.1k · October 23, 2007

Here is the quote from the GWIV website....

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

* For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

* For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

Sesame Street better watch out.......I think they have a show sponsored by those 2 letters.

We plan on giving our items away for free, so I guess we are ok to use GW. In fact sometimes we will give a coin away for free to people and they will give a coin away to us for free also.

2.8k · October 23, 2007

I was thinking of doing one and using the words "The Event That Can't Be Named"

But that is just too long!

4.9k · October 23, 2007

I trademarked "tsun", "tsunrisebey", and all the letters in my name, so none of you better have a t,s,u,n,r,i,s,e,b,e, or y in your coins. Otherwise, your birthday will be taken away. (I used "e" twice because of the silent one).

4.4k · October 23, 2007

Yup Horse That's all I will divulge

I know I know!!!!!

Great idea No Horsin Roun now.

3.1k · October 23, 2007

Here is the quote from the GWIV website....

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

* For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

* For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

Sesame Street better watch out.......I think they have a show sponsored by those 2 letters.

We plan on giving our items away for free, so I guess we are ok to use GW. In fact sometimes we will give a coin away for free to people and they will give a coin away to us for free also.

I can have so much fun with this, merely based on the premise that I am being told not do do something !

I trademarked "tsun", "tsunrisebey", and all the letters in my name, so none of you better have a t,s,u,n,r,i,s,e,b,e, or y in your coins. Otherwise, your birthday will be taken away. (I used "e" twice because of the silent one).

Birthdays, what are those? Mine was taken away a long time ago!!!

3.5k · October 23, 2007

We are considering doing something.

Everyone should keep in mind the Geowoodstock people have strict rules about using the name "Geowoodstock" and even rules about using the letters "GW" I guess they are claiming ownership over the letters "G" and "W"......

My coin will avoid the "G and W" issue by using the letters F and U.

1.3k · October 23, 2007

When we first asked JoGPS about doing a GWVI coin, he told us we had to pay him $10,000.00. We explained that was too much and would increase the cost of a 250 coin run to $40/coin! He also explained that a non-trackable personal coin would cost $1000.00.

The current 'rules' seem more in line with what is reasonable. You can find them here: http://www.geowoodstockvi.com/News/article/sid=5.html

And from how I read it, free items, ie items not sold, will not be charged a fee:

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

Edited October 23, 2007 by nielsenc

October 23, 2007

When we first asked JoGPS about doing a GWVI coin, he told us we had to pay him $10,000.00. We explained that was too much and would increase the cost of a 250 coin run to $40/coin! He also explained that a non-trackable personal coin would cost $1000.00.

The current 'rules' seem more in line with what is reasonable. You can find them here: http://www.geowoodstockvi.com/News/article/sid=5.html

And from how I read it, free items, ie items not sold, will not be charged a fee:

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

I know Jo just recently had the Trademarked name transferred, but doesn't the above open him up for all kind of tax issues? Don't have a dog in the fight, but I don't think I would want that liability.

2k · October 23, 2007

Wow what a scam here. The guy decides to trademark the name and he all the sudden gets a fee?

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

2.8k · October 23, 2007

Wow what a scam here. The guy decides to trademark the name and he all the sudden gets a fee?

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

That is how licensing works.

2k · October 23, 2007

Wow what a scam here. The guy decides to trademark the name and he all the sudden gets a fee?

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

That is how licensing works.

I just filed a trademark on the word "GEOCOIN". Please do not use unless you pay me $1.00 per coin per transaction.

Yeah... Yeah.... That sounds like a good idea doesn't it?

BTW, while submitting my trademake I searched for GW and GWVI and there is no trademark relating to geo...opps almost said it "The Event that shall not be named" so Can I use that?

One other question... If I give coins away that say GeoWoodstoc- on them but charge $10 for shipping do I have to pay the fee?

Edited October 23, 2007 by Atwell Family

2.8k · October 23, 2007

Wow what a scam here. The guy decides to trademark the name and he all the sudden gets a fee?

Using the name "GeoWoodstock" on your products

The name "GeoWoodstock" has been trademarked by JoGPS and he has authorized the hosts of GeoWoodstock VI to charge a licensing fee to vendors who want to use the name on their products. This applies to all uses of "GeoWoodstock" and "GW" both with and without the roman numeral "VI". We would prefer that you don't use the arabic number "6" but even if you do, the following fee structure still applies.

For any product which will be sold, such as geocoins and T-shirts, there is a $1 (one US dollar) licensing fee per unit manufactured. We would also like to see all designs before they are manufactured.

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

That is how licensing works.

I just filed a trademark on the word "GEOCOIN". Please do not use unless you pay me $1.00 per coin per transaction.

Yeah... Yeah.... That sounds like a good idea doesn't it?

Actually....you could make a killing!

But I'm sure you do well with all those fabulous coins you are putting out already!

8.1k · October 23, 2007

BooBoo will have her very first personal coin to trade. It will be a Trolley coin utilizing the image from her profile.

BooBoo and I will colaberate on an all new personal. Concept to include Stars, Fairies and the Moon.

My all new Lenticular Lens coin that will be a Face to Face trade only, limited quantities will be "handed" out!

So are you selling your collection or making more coins? Or both...

2k · October 23, 2007

I just filed a trademark on the word "GEOCOIN". Please do not use unless you pay me $1.00 per coin per transaction.

Yeah... Yeah.... That sounds like a good idea doesn't it?

Actually....you could make a killing!

But I'm sure you do well with all those fabulous coins you are putting out already!

Killing no. But it keeps the lights on.

2.8k · October 23, 2007

I just filed a trademark on the word "GEOCOIN". Please do not use unless you pay me $1.00 per coin per transaction.

Yeah... Yeah.... That sounds like a good idea doesn't it?

Actually....you could make a killing!

But I'm sure you do well with all those fabulous coins you are putting out already!

Killing no. But it keeps the lights on.

I meant you could make a killing with the Geocoin trademark.

I don't think many of us who mints coins makes a killing. I know when I sell one edition, the money goes to the next one!

2k · October 23, 2007

After this thread, I was thinking about a Geotag like this? Do you like the idea?

October 23, 2007

I am curious to know; does the fee go to jogps or the comittee? And if both, how it is divided. I don't think anyone wants to keep the event from breaking even.

October 23, 2007

After this thread, I was thinking about a Geotag like this? Do you like the idea?

Ha ha! The chick people have already come up with "Mega Chicks". Like minds!

1.3k · October 23, 2007

I know Jo just recently had the Trademarked name transferred, but doesn't the above open him up for all kind of tax issues? Don't have a dog in the fight, but I don't think I would want that liability.

I am pretty sure that the money is going to the GWVI committee for GWVI. That being said, I think the fee for people selling geocoins is reasonable as the money goes to support the event. We have done a few events and I know of others doing events where the cost to do the event was high for the number of people. If this helps the event breakeven, I am ok with it.

Once again, I dont think the fee covers items like those Damenace brought up, small, trade only items. Of course, the best way would be for some clarification.

As for taxes, I have my own taxes to do .

1.3k · October 23, 2007

Wow what a scam here. The guy decides to trademark the name and he all the sudden gets a fee?

I dont see it as a scam. From what I read, the $1.00/coin goes towards the event. Put on a large event and you will quickly see your costs go up and up. Those of us that attend rarely see the costs of those putting on an event.

I have NO problem with the $1.00 fee going towards the event. I think it is fair and provides a good balance.

1.2k · October 23, 2007

When we first asked JoGPS about doing a GWVI coin, he told us we had to pay him $10,000.00. We explained that was too much and would increase the cost of a 250 coin run to $40/coin! He also explained that a non-trackable personal coin would cost $1000.00.

The current 'rules' seem more in line with what is reasonable. You can find them here: http://www.geowoodstockvi.com/News/article/sid=5.html

And from how I read it, free items, ie items not sold, will not be charged a fee:

For any product which will be given away for free, there is no licensing fee. Again, we do wish to be advised of all designs before they are manufactured.

How about traded but not sold?

1.3k · October 23, 2007

I just filed a trademark on the word "GEOCOIN". Please do not use unless you pay me $1.00 per coin per transaction.

Yeah... Yeah.... That sounds like a good idea doesn't it?

BTW, while submitting my trademake I searched for GW and GWVI and there is no trademark relating to geo...opps almost said it "The Event that shall not be named" so Can I use that?

Personally, I really hope you dont try to file a trademark for the word 'geocoin'. If you do, I am sure there are a few people who would make sure that trademark never happens. You are just wasting your money since the term "Geocoin" has been in use for many years now. You are just wasting your money.

As for GeoWoodstock, you can find it here:

Word Mark GEOWOODSTOCK

Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: (Based on Use in Commerce) Entertainment services, namely, participation in Geocaching. FIRST USE: 20030423. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20030621

Standard Characters Claimed

Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK

Serial Number 77282122

Filing Date September 18, 2007

Current Filing Basis 1A

Original Filing Basis 1A

Owner (APPLICANT) William J. Armstrong INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 9725 Clovercroft Road Nolensville TENNESSEE 37135

Type of Mark SERVICE MARK

Register PRINCIPAL

Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

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For coins which are SOLD, esp those which are sold at the event, what is wrong with Giving $1.00 back? This goes to support the event which allows the seller to be there to sell. I think this is more fair than what happened last year where people who didnt donate anything were given free tables to sell their GW Coins while giving nothing additional to those who donated to the event. I even know of one vendor who donated and didnt even get a table to sell.

1.3k · October 23, 2007

How about traded but not sold?

The way I read it, as long as the coin is not sold, there is no payment required. I assume if you were to trade 1/2 the coins and later sell the rest on ebay or the forums, you might get a note about having to cough up the money since you broke the 'spirit' of the agreement presented.

Two Notes:

1) I am not a lawyer

2) I am not involved anyway with the planning of the event. This just how I read it.

Edited October 23, 2007 by nielsenc

October 23, 2007

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For coins which are SOLD, esp those which are sold at the event, what is wrong with Giving $1.00 back? This goes to support the event which allows the seller to be there to sell. I think this is more fair than what happened last year where people who didnt donate anything were given free tables to sell their GW Coins while giving nothing additional to those who donated to the event. I even know of one vendor who donated and didnt even get a table to sell.

I agree. Having been on a commitee that hosted a GW event. It takes a lot of money to feed all those folks and rent all those chairs. The event nearly doubles in size each year which makes the burden bigger each host.

The fee going to the Committee is a great idea. That is who should get it.

October 23, 2007

Just want to clarify, I don't care one way or the other, I would, as I said, be worried about tax liabilities. Probably is about time to form some sort of non-profit, like MWGB group. The trademark thing was a close call, would not be good for it to get away again.

October 23, 2007

After this thread, I was thinking about a Geotag like this? Do you like the idea?

Might be ok, but this guy may not like you using his trademarked word GEOTAG

Word Mark GEOTAG

Goods and Services IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Providing specific information as requested by customers via electronic communication devices and the Internet. FIRST USE: 20070402. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20070402

Standard Characters Claimed

Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK

Serial Number 77975037

Filing Date February 19, 2007

Current Filing Basis 1A

Original Filing Basis 1B

Published for Opposition October 9, 2007

Owner (APPLICANT) Geomas (International) Limited PRIVATE LIMITED COMPANY UNITED KINGDOM World Trade Centre, Via Lugano 11 6982 Lugano Agno SWITZERLAND

Attorney of Record Ernest W. Grumbles III

Type of Mark SERVICE MARK

Register PRINCIPAL

Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

October 23, 2007

I wish I could make the GW6 but I think my state might try to get part in the event in 08.

3.8k · October 23, 2007

After this thread, I was thinking about a Geotag like this? Do you like the idea?

I want one!!!

October 23, 2007

All this talk about coins that I won't be there for just makes me sad!

I will be on deployment during the MEGA event and somehow I just don't see Mike and little Thorne making the cross country trek.

Looks like we will be missing a lot of great coins.

1.2k · October 23, 2007

...

1) I am not a lawyer

...

But the real question : do you play one on TV?

3.1k · October 23, 2007

...

1) I am not a lawyer

...

But the real question : do you play one on TV?

I think he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :lol:

3.1k · October 23, 2007

BooBoo will have her very first personal coin to trade. It will be a Trolley coin utilizing the image from her profile.

BooBoo and I will colaberate on an all new personal. Concept to include Stars, Fairies and the Moon.

My all new Lenticular Lens coin that will be a Face to Face trade only, limited quantities will be "handed" out!

So are you selling your collection or making more coins? Or both...

Both, ! I have another 29 hitting Thursday :lol: .

4.4k · October 24, 2007

A trademark is a distinctive name, symbol, motto, or design that legally identifies a company or its products and services.

So what is this Company and what are it's products?

Geowoodstock 6 Traders?

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