+Go JayBee Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I had recently bid on a Lackey Coin at that "E-place"... Just hours before the auction ended, the seller has offered me the chance to "retract" my bid on the Lackey Coin, due to the fact it was mis-represented as being "Un-Activated". After doing a little research, learned that most of the Lackey Coins are indeed "owned" by "Signal The Frog". I'm in a bit of a quandry here...I've "won" the item and would really like to have it, but don't want the stigma attached to buying a coin which is not owned by the seller. There are many of you out there who have sold items to me and can vouch to the fact that I usually pay within minutes of winning. Well, its not gonna happen here (spoken in my best Church Lady voice). I would really like to have one these coins, but I refuse to get one this way. If someone has an extra they would be willing to trade me, I can gauranteee that I would be able to come up with a trade of equal collectable value. Link to comment
+ranger216 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 good for you... this is a big problem for us cachers that put coins in cache... I wish I had something in value yo give you... put know that u have my support Cache On!!! keep our hobby honest Link to comment
+BackBrakeBilly Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) After doing a little research, learned that most of the Lackey Coins are indeed "owned" by "Signal The Frog". Huh, that's funny because the 2 lackey coins I have aren't owned by Signal the Frog. One is owned by me and the other is owned by the one and only OpinionNate. Sorry JayBee, I ain't trading either one of them! Edited September 16, 2006 by BackBrakeBilly Link to comment
57chevy Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) I noticed that too. I was curious about it because the Lackey coin I have is also owned by Signal. I am guessing that they all are but who knows. I did a sweet trade to get it under the assumption that it was unactivated, Heck I didn't even check the number until several weeks had passed after I had already gotten it. I'm not too terribly torn up about it. I went ahead and logged it into my inventory. Edited September 16, 2006 by 57chevy Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I've got mixed emotions about this. On the one hand, it wasn't taken from a cache and then put up for profit. It appears that the sellers entire collection is going up, so is it less of an issue because they're getting out of it? On the other hand I think that coins that don't belong to you shouldn't be sold. Guess I'm not much help am I. Link to comment
kcart Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I never liked that frog. Kinda juvenile if you ask me. ©¿©¬ Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 My Lackey coin is not activated. It was a gift from someone. Link to comment
+Colorado Cacher Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Ebay, one of the reasons I never put out the real coin anymore when I buy them. Link to comment
+LadeBear68 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The only thing that has changed between now and the time of your bid is that you found out it was activated? I think it is fine to keep the coin in your collection or contact Groundspeak and ask them what their opinion is. Link to comment
kcart Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 My Lackey coin is not activated. It was a gift from someone. A lump of Christmas Coal from the lackey? ©¿©¬ Link to comment
glennk721 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Jaybee, Did he state who was the owner of the coin ?? If he activated himself a simple adoption request would do, If owned by someone else or the FROG, I would pass in a hurry, My 2 cents Glenn Link to comment
+sillygirl & jrr Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 If it were me I'd write to Signal the Frog for advice. When in doubt, go to the source. ... Oh wait that's for puzzle caches... If the coin is owned by Signal the Frog (he has 1900 Lackey coins in his trackables owned list), then I would defer to him. If he is okay with coin being sold, and you still want to pay that kind of $$ for it then buy it and perhaps he will adopt it out to you. If the frog was unware his coin was being auctioned, and does not approve of the sale, then I'd tell the seller sorry. I only glanced at a few of the coins and didn't see any "these coins are not to be sold" language, but there are lots of activated coins. JRR Link to comment
+Go JayBee Posted September 16, 2006 Author Share Posted September 16, 2006 I have officially declined from purchasing the Lackey coin...the present seller has replied: "No problem". My gut feeling is that Signal would not approve...I just cannot justify getting one of these coins in this way...I respect all of you folks too much to do that. Link to comment
+Go JayBee Posted September 16, 2006 Author Share Posted September 16, 2006 Jaybee, Did he state who was the owner of the coin ?? If he activated himself a simple adoption request would do, If owned by someone else or the FROG, I would pass in a hurry, My 2 cents Glenn They did tell me that "Groundspeak" was the owner. That DID throw up a big red flag to me. Thanx for the advice and the support... Link to comment
+-SuMa- Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Interesting is, that I ask the seller, if the coin is activated. He wrote me it is NOT activated. I think we speek from the same Lackey coin. Another important thing in this auction was, that the seller has no feedback! regards Marc Link to comment
+0R0B0RUS Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Interesting is, that I ask the seller, if the coin is activated. He wrote me it is NOT activated. I think we speek from the same Lackey coin. Another important thing in this auction was, that the seller has no feedback! regards Marc I totally agree! Zero feedback is very suspicious... Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Interesting is, that I ask the seller, if the coin is activated. He wrote me it is NOT activated. I think we speek from the same Lackey coin. Another important thing in this auction was, that the seller has no feedback! regards Marc I totally agree! Zero feedback is very suspicious... Not really. If you look what the seller was selling (all their listings), it appears to be a second ebay account for someone many in these forums would know. I just wonder why that person is hiding/trying to hide their identity. Link to comment
+Shop99er Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 (edited) Not really. If you look what the seller was selling (all their listings), it appears to be a second ebay account for someone many in these forums would know. Dead wrong. Edited September 16, 2006 by Shop99er Link to comment
+Semper Questio Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I know of the person selling this coin. The person has simply never sold on ebay before and has turned there to sell stuff to raise money to overcome a personal crisis and financial hardships. Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 The person selling these coins has never been on the forums before and is not familiar with the coins, so some errors are going to occur. No conspiracy theory here and nobody trying to pull a fast one. Their business is their business. As always, it's just a hunk of metal..... Link to comment
ParentsofSAM Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I think it was good choice to not go through with buying the coin. As for the seller I rarely buy from zero feedback sellers. But we all started with no feedback, so maybe they are ok. Making listing mistakes is not going to earn them any confidence. It does seem odd that they have such an extensive collection including some HTF coins but yet they are not familiar with the coins and do not visit the forums. Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 "They" don't have an extensive collection. The spouse was left and the coins are being sold to cover personal issues. Link to comment
+9Key Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Very interesting. I guess what goes around comes around. You did the right thing JayBee. Link to comment
+Semper Questio Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 "They" don't have an extensive collection. The spouse was left and the coins are being sold to cover personal issues. You're on the nosey, Hula Bum. I have the okey dokey to tell you folks what is going on. The person selling the coins is my son-in-law. He is not a coin collector. He is not a cacher. He doesn't even like caching. (OK, calm down everyone ) His wife (my daughter, Ladycacher) has been living elsewhere for a while now and has left him with the 2 boys and a pile of unpaid bills while continuing to run up more bills. So he is selling stuff to pay bills, care for the boys, and pay legal expenses. The Lackey coin thing was simply a mistake because he doesn't know anything about these coins. Anyone that has had any dealings with me knows that I do not cover for people and that I'm a straight shooter. This is the definitive straight scoop. There. Now you know what is going on and can stop the speculation and call off the dogs. This is all I am going to say about any of their business and, on his behalf, I ask everyone else to not pile on the rumor bandwagon. Please leave these people to deal with their lives. Semper Questio Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 SQ, I appologise for my mistake and I am sorry for your son in law's issues. Link to comment
ParentsofSAM Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Best of luck to your son-in-law and grandsons and daughter. Not that it is anyones business but he should have said a bit more in those auctions instead just leaving all the speculation and rumors to fly. The geocoin community has given him and his family thousands of dollars in donations and whether or not he likes geocaching (the horror ) he and she owe the community something. I really do hope their situation works out. Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Just trust that he had his reasons not to. These things can be very complicated. Link to comment
ParentsofSAM Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 (edited) Yep I understand that I have been here before. Even got the t-shirt. edit to say: Execpt for the serious health issues for myself. I did not have any my husband did. Edited September 17, 2006 by ParentsofSAM Link to comment
+9Key Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 The geocoin community has given him and his family thousands of dollars in donations and whether or not he likes geocaching (the horror ) he and she owe the community something. I wholeheartedly agree. All that cash and not one thank you. Link to comment
+Semper Questio Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 And again, Hula Bum speaks wisely. At the time the auctions started he could not say anything. Besides, it is not just folks here that would see that. Would YOU want to advertise YOUR personal business to the world on an auction site? Also, what more was there to say? He had what he knew were geocoins to sell. The auctions said that. Should he have thought to come here to bow before the "community" and tell everyone what was happening and get their blessing before taking care of business? As for the donations issue, I can't say much on that, but he had asked Ladycacher to not accept anything from anyone. She chose to do otherwise. Some people in this forum jumped the gun, blew things out of proportion, and she did nothing to correct it. Seems to me she is the one that has some explaining to do, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There is more to this but I am not at liberty to go into it. He doesn't owe this community a thing. Someone else clearly does, but not him. In fact, with some of the things I know, I can clearly see where many in this "community" owes him...BIG TIME. Link to comment
+Damenace Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Alright I am going to go out on a limb and I hope I don't piss someone off, but I do believe the person that started this thread got his answer. Mr Jaybee Sir , I would hope that you would consider locking this thread since your question has been answered. I could be wrong and no one has to agree with me but I do believe that this thread is getting a bit personal and perhaps teetering on the fact that it is none of our business what is going on with this family. They have been in the spot light long enough. <puts on flame suit> Now I know everyone is going to say that it is our business since we all contributed to the cause, I would dare say there is bigger fish to fry that to worry about where our money has gone. We all donated to the cause at the time for the sake of the family, what ever that capacity may be, so let it be. There is not alot we can do as a caching community than to hope the best for the family. What has been done, has been done. I still stand by my donations, and could care less if I get anything in return! </puts on flame suit> Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well put Damenace. Link to comment
+AtlantaGal Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Yeah, someone please just lock the thread. I feel awful for those boys and the husband. It's not their fault. Link to comment
+Damenace Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well put Damenace. I have gone one step further and emailed the person that started the thread asking that the right thing is done. I truly did not try to piss anyone off and if I did well I am sorry, but something has to be done. In my opinion the other thread needs to be closed down as well. Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Well then they'll be getting a couple of emails, cuz I sent one too. Link to comment
+KoosKoos Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Please don't forget that users can't lock threads any more...a mod has to do that. I've submitted a report asking for it. Link to comment
+9Key Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Its a terrible shame that someone took advantage of others kindness in such a way. It was great to see the geocaching / geocoin community pull together to help someone. I hope this doesn't cool other donation drives. Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Please don't forget that users can't lock threads any more...a mod has to do that. I've submitted a report asking for it. I'm not positive, but I think the only one that has the authority to request a lock is the OP. Globe, Pasta, anyone? Link to comment
+Shop99er Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Last I heard, the OP had to ask. Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Bueller... Bueller... If the original poster wants the topic opened back up, feel free to send me a PM. Thanks to Semper Questio for what had to be a tough post. Link to comment
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