teameverest Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) I wen't to a cache in my local area and all that was left was a letter, and inside the letter it read " You've been muggled Signed, TheMuggler " Someone apparently is muggling caches on purpose here in Wisconsin Has anyone nationwide heard of such a thing? P.S. If this 'TheMuggler' is on Groundspeak please identify yourself Would you be able to prosecute such a thing in a court of law? Edited February 3, 2006 by teameverest Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) I am TheMuggler. Edited February 3, 2006 by sept1c_tank Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Stop lying. I'm the Muggler. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Is that a serious reply, or a joke. Because I would be very sad to see someone doing such a thing anywhere in the geocaching world. Espcially if it's a real tough cache the owner has set up for awhile and was difficult to place, and some jerk goes and just takes it and leaves a note to taunt you. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 To answer your second question, 'no'. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Is that a serious reply, or a joke. ... Do either sept1c or I live in Wisconsin? Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Is that a serious reply, or a joke. ... Do either sept1c or I live in Wisconsin? Hmmm ... very evasive answer. I think we should dust for prints. Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Is that a serious reply, or a joke. ... Do either sept1c or I live in Wisconsin? What he said. This is something that happens from time to time. In these parts, we refer to them as cache maggots. Sorry for your loss. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Just check with the DIA. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 Dont know where you live, no signature. Apparently someone has a gripe with geocaching, sad sad world these days Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 It stinks that it happened, but look on the bright side. He left the containers and you don't have to complain about the useless trash that people leave. Quote Link to comment
+greyhounder Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The suspicious party also took the container. I'm in WI, but too far away from the cache to be suspect. Bec Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Dont know where you live, no signature. ... Psst. If you click on someone's name, it will pull up his profile page. There, you can see where he has found caches and where his are hidden. Some people even post a map of all the states in which they have cached. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 The suspicious party also took the container. I'm in WI, but too far away from the cache to be suspect. Bec That's worse. Sorry. Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Dont know where you live, no signature. Apparently someone has a gripe with geocaching, sad sad world these days Typically, you can narrow down the area where someone lives by examining their profile. There you can view owned and found caches. And yes, it is a sad, sad world in many ways. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 3, 2006 Author Share Posted February 3, 2006 They swiped a real nice cache, that was an ammo can stock full of great stuff. I would be upset it someone was swiping ammo cans.... at what 3-5 bucks a pop? Quote Link to comment
+cache_test_dummies Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 It stinks when TBs go missing this way. Were any TBs lost? Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 I don't believe so by looking at the logs . Quote Link to comment
+DiskDevil Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I am TheMuggler. I thought this whole time it was you!! Honestly, I don't think anyone that has posted in this thread would do that. I think that you have someone in the area that has found one,or stumbled across one and then decided to go online and see where more of these TREASURES are. So YES the person has an account with GC.com,and NO I have no other suggestions to offer. Sorry Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) I would be upset it someone was swiping ammo cans.... at what 3-5 bucks a pop? It happens from time to time. In this case, I don't think it was someone who found it on accident and needed an ammo can to put their tools in. 'Muggler' is getting a little close to the geocaching lexicon. Edited February 4, 2006 by sbell111 Quote Link to comment
+greyhounder Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 There seems to be someone in the southern part of WI who is taking TB tags too. Every once in a while we get a "pirate" (never as spiteful as TheMuggler though). Hopefully it's just a short-lived spree..... Bec Quote Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 It is a sad part of this hobby, it happens from time to time, now if it starts to become a very big problem in a certain area then Groundspeak can step in and takes some actions. There was a situation a few years ago that got really bad in a local area which lead to a rash of new virts being creating....i mean waymarkings now....once Groundspeak locked that account down it seemed to stop. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) I can see Groundspeak stepping in ...but... Is this against the law to muggle a cache? Could this ******* be punished for doing this or are the caches we place up for grabs if someone were to take it since it's on public land? Edited February 4, 2006 by teameverest Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Technically, a very tough question, but basically, when you hide a cache, or release a travel bug, they're up for grabs to the whole world. Quote Link to comment
+RUFFLEDOSTRICH Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 We had a notorious micro-hater from this area go into a Cracker Barrel with "info" on geocaching to give to the management and informed him that one of these (caches) might be in the front of the store. THE INFO HE GAVE THE MANAGEMENT WAS A CNN ARTICLE ON A CACHE BEING CONFUSED AS A BOMB. That's just about the worst cache sabotage (we have that too...targeted at specific cachers notorious for planting micros) I've ever heard. It's one thing not to like micros because ou're afraid it will give the public the wrong idea of the sport, but to intentionally give the public this idea...that's scary, psychotic. Quote Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I can see Groundspeak stepping in ...but... Is this against the law to muggle a cache? Could this ******* be punished for doing this or are the caches we place up for grabs if someone were to take it since it's on public land? Yes call the Missing Tupperwear division Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 We had a notorious micro-hater from this area go into a Cracker Barrel with "info" on geocaching to give to the management and informed him that one of these (caches) might be in the front of the store. THE INFO HE GAVE THE MANAGEMENT WAS A CNN ARTICLE ON A CACHE BEING CONFUSED AS A BOMB. That's just about the worst cache sabotage (we have that too...targeted at specific cachers notorious for planting micros) I've ever heard. It's one thing not to like micros because ou're afraid it will give the public the wrong idea of the sport, but to intentionally give the public this idea...that's scary, psychotic. Hmm we may have to come up with an even nastier title than cache maggot for this kind of behavior. How about he who shall not be named and will only allow us to play by his rules maggot? Yes call the Missing Tupperwear division Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply from them. My first cache went missing, and they even left a ransom note using cut out magazine letters. To this day (3+ years later) I can't go to an event without wondering who it was and are they in the room with me. (well discounting the newer players of course) Quote Link to comment
+clearpath Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 When the maggot finally realizes that his little escapade is well ... kinda stupid. He'll go back to his mother's house where he lives and think of another way to accomplish world domination. Quote Link to comment
+Deliveryguy428 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 We had a notorious micro-hater from this area go into a Cracker Barrel with "info" on geocaching to give to the management and informed him that one of these (caches) might be in the front of the store. THE INFO HE GAVE THE MANAGEMENT WAS A CNN ARTICLE ON A CACHE BEING CONFUSED AS A BOMB. That's just about the worst cache sabotage (we have that too...targeted at specific cachers notorious for planting micros) I've ever heard. It's one thing not to like micros because ou're afraid it will give the public the wrong idea of the sport, but to intentionally give the public this idea...that's scary, psychotic. Stealing a container from the woods is bad, being a complete ah like this person was is HIGHLY uncalled for. If the man in the rocker on the sign has run off then maybe you should worry. Is it against the law to phone in or report a fake bomb threat? Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Yes it is illegal ... ... Quote Link to comment
+JMBella Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I'm in WI, but too far away from the cache to be suspect. Bec Sure, that's what you'd like us to believe. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 When the maggot finally realizes that his little escapade is well ... kinda stupid. He'll go back to his mother's house where he lives and think of another way to accomplish world domination. You can only hope so, usaully stuff like this is child's play , but I dont see 14 year olds walking with GPSr's. Hard to believe an adult is going around muggling Quote Link to comment
+RUFFLEDOSTRICH Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 A charter member with more than 1000 caches to boot... Quote Link to comment
+fishingdude720 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 but I dont see 14 year olds walking with GPSr's. Watch what you are talking about Well anyway your caches are still in one piece! We have some people in our area that will rip them to shreds and kick everything around. One note on a cache said: Ha Ha Ha. I will kill this just like I killed *&%$#@!^$^(name withheld They turned it into the police for investigation. Nobody around here in Nj goes around destroying caches on purpose. Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 National Muggler would make a good name for an underground geocaching publication. Quote Link to comment
+RUFFLEDOSTRICH Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 And then the actual muggler will be able to refocus hi/her efforts on filing a law-suit over the rights to use "The Muggler" Quote Link to comment
+fishingdude720 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) We have him, him, him, him, him, him, orhim could all be potential muggle suspects. They should all be banned Well some of them already are. Edit:spelling Edited February 4, 2006 by fishingdude720 Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 All potential suspects .... This cowards pen name is "TheMuggler" and actually left a letter in a envelope where the ammo can resided. With someone like this, with that amount of time on ones hands, I wouldn't be suprised to see him post up pics of the cache and TB's with a lilttle plastic army guy holding a gun demanding ransom to return the cache and it's contents... Quote Link to comment
+Team Dubbin Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 We have some looser around here swiping ammo boxes and replacing them with cheap plastic containers Quote Link to comment
+RUFFLEDOSTRICH Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Is this just a friendly game gone bad? After Christmas was over, I'd considered being a "Grinch" and grabbing all 13 days of Chritmas/Caching caches series and leaving a note saying they'd been grinched and can be retrieved at the coordinates of a specific cache I knew the planter kept meaning to get to. I knew the cacher and thought this would be funny. (Because of the nature of the series, no one would be looking for the caches any time soon.) Anyway, I caught wind of someone thinking of doing this EXACT thing, but for less friendly reasons so I quickly put the idea to rest. Has TheMuggler given you coords and thinks that this might be a friendly side-game? Regardless, until this game becomes less hostile (in this area at least) I think that anything like that is a bad idea for the time being. Quote Link to comment
+Team Dubbin Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 LOL teameverest I was just looking through some of your caches and noticed this log in Little Creek That Could "May 1, 2005 by sweetlife (989 found) First of all we are marking this one as a find. But we are writing the owners as note: We came here today to visit this cache and we noticed that it is not here" Where do people get off marking a cache found when in fact they never did find it???? Its no wonder they have 989 finds Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Yes some people are in it for the numbers. We dont care how many caches we have or dont have. We like challenging caches, and also tend to hide them more then find them. I could care less if a cacher has a 1000. Just means 950 of those he stopped by a rest stop logged a plastic container in about 30 seconds. TheMuggler left a ratty old glove proped with it's middle finger up, I don't think this is a side game. Quote Link to comment
+RUFFLEDOSTRICH Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 TheMuggler left a ratty old glove proped with it's middle finger up, I don't think this is a side game. Are you kidding me? I can't believe that anyone would do something so ridiculous to be threatening beyond the fourth grade. You're lucky that he didn't stick his tounge out at you too. Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 I informed the owner of the cache, no response yet. I am sure he will be upset to hear his ammo can has disappeared probably never to be heard from again. Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) TheMuggler left a ratty old glove proped with it's middle finger up, I don't think this is a side game. Are you kidding me? I can't believe that anyone would do something so ridiculous to be threatening beyond the fourth grade. You're lucky that he didn't stick his tounge out at you too. It is hard to believe! <edited out image > Edited February 4, 2006 by Moose Mob Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 OMG THAT HAS TO BE THE MUGGLER!!!!! Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) In the video that was captured from, in his own voice, he calls it the "one finger victory salute! Edited February 4, 2006 by sept1c_tank Quote Link to comment
+Monkey Toes Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) Maybe you could place a new cache or replace the old one and hide in the bushes waiting for the muggler to come swipe it. What you'd do after that, I have no idea. Edited February 4, 2006 by MonkeyToes108 Quote Link to comment
teameverest Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 George W. Bush = International Oil Muggler Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 In the video that was captured from, in his own voice, he calls it the "one finger victory salute! He makes me so proud to be an American. Quote Link to comment
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