I Need Feedback!

October 20, 2005

I have a new coin idea and image sent to coinsandpins for minting, but I would like all of your input on what you think of the coin. Are you interested in it?

This coin will be a 2 sided 3D image of the world, gold in color. Matte finish for the continents and glossy for the water. East on one side, west on the other. It will bow out slightly like a globe. Around the side of the coin (not edge trim) it will read "GEOCACHING AROUND THE WORLD". The coin will be GC trackable and have it's own icon. Only 1000 will be minted and due to the extra charges for the icon and the GC trackable it may have to sell for $10 each.

So, let's start with the interest!

-Tandemaniacs

designer of the Big Bear geocoin

1.2k · October 20, 2005

Sounds like you just gave a good reason for this project to be ended. They've been beaten to the punch. Personally I like your idea of making two 3D sides, but I still doubt I'd buy one.

October 20, 2005

Oh, I'm sure there will be interest. However, at that price it's not going to be that great. That's a pretty steep price when the Georgia geocoin, with trackability, its own icon, shipping, and handling, is only $7.50.

2.6k · October 20, 2005

Is there a picture?

October 20, 2005

If you make it and it is trackable on gc then I would probably have to buy 5. :blink:

1.3k · October 20, 2005

Well, I didnt go for a personal ICON but I do have 'caching around the world'

http://www.oakcoins.com/nielsenc/2005catws.html

These are all the countires I have cached in.

4.2k · October 20, 2005

Sounds just like the Earth Geocoin........linked to above.

1.5k · October 20, 2005

Would you be using the same link to order the coin that didn't work for me on the Big Bear coin? If so I need to pre-order 2 since I can't get inside that 4 hour window by e-mail. :blink:

1.3k · October 20, 2005

Just to answer some of the emails, since the picture of my coin is hard to see all the details.

The Globe used for my coin on the front side does 'bow' out. So the edges are flat to the surface and the middle sticks out.

I have "Caching Around the World" as my tag line since my goal has been to Cache and Travel. I dont think I have seen that tag line before, I might be wrong.

Regards.

nielsenc

October 20, 2005

why would you copy something that is already started and near completion? Are you not aware of the Earth Geocoin project?

October 20, 2005

He could have been planning this long before the earth coin project.

October 20, 2005

Here is the image I have sent for minting this coin.

Image tries to show 3D using Photoshop emboss.

Tandemaniacs

1.3k · October 20, 2005

Considering he wrote:

I Need Feedback!, NEW COIN IDEA

I would take this as being a new coin idea.

Just a thought.

October 20, 2005

Considering he wrote:

I Need Feedback!, NEW COIN IDEA

I would take this as being a new coin idea.

Just a thought.

True, True

October 20, 2005

As long as something comes out of this, does it really matter?

I know Dillon put some work into the Earth Geocoin and I appreciate it.

I kinda like the 3-d effect idea.

And they did e-mail me asking if the Earth geocoin was in production yet.

October 20, 2005

Sounds like more making coins for the sake of making coins...

October 20, 2005

Yes, I've been watching the thread about the earth geocoin and what they've come up with is really cool. I am still wondering though, is there any type of copyright on those googleearth pictures they've used? I still think the earth geocoin could be really cool. It has some cool text on it.

October 20, 2005

I don't want to step on anyone's feet. I got this idea 2 weeks ago and started on design. I sent it to coinsandpins and at this time we are waiting for GC's approval of the design. Should I stop? Should I scrap the idea?

-Ronney

October 20, 2005

How about getting an original idea?

October 20, 2005

To repy to Rupert...

I am an artist and I am making a coin so that somewhere in the world, someone has my artwork.

-Ronney

October 20, 2005

This could be the "World" coin and we could have the "Earth" coin too :blink:

Win, Win situation.

October 20, 2005

Sounds like too many coins. I would bow out gracefully if it came to that.

4.2k · October 20, 2005

Personally, I'd pass on this one. The 3D design is cool, but other than the words on the edge, I don't see the tie in to caching in the pics. This coin could be of anything really.

I'm only midly interested in the Earth Coin as well.

Just my two cents.

October 20, 2005

He could have been planning this long before the earth coin project.

quite possible. where was his comment in the coin developing process? i am sure that the earth geocoin project would have be happy to turn everything over to her

By the way....love the idea of the words around the edge.

Edited October 20, 2005 by The Dillon Gang

October 20, 2005

Maybe you could team up with the earth geocoin project. Give them some ideas and the words around the edge is a really cool idea.

October 20, 2005

I kinda like the 3-d effect idea.

kinda like the back side of the 2005 ca geocoin???? i think kv coins did a great job on the 3-d work on that side.

getting to production take a bit to satisfy the majority of the people. dropping in the satellite was the last step i believe.

perhaps Tandemaniacs would like to utilize her art skills to put the final touches on the earth design and we could team up for production. designing coins is great fun....producing and distributing them can be a pain.

Edited October 20, 2005 by The Dillon Gang

October 20, 2005

Combining the best elements of both coins would be fine with me.

And yes, where is the tie-in to geocaching? Or logo?

2k · October 20, 2005

I don't want to step on anyone's feet. I got this idea 2 weeks ago and started on design. I sent it to coinsandpins and at this time we are waiting for GC's approval of the design. Should I stop? Should I scrap the idea?

-Ronney

Considering a earth geocoin is already being made....I think you should put your talent to another design/idea. Also, that price is to high for a coin.

October 20, 2005

boy, did i sound like a total snob in that last post! didn't mean to come across like that. :blink:

October 20, 2005

I like it.

October 20, 2005

I kinda like the 3-d effect idea.

kinda like the back side of the 2005 ca geocoin???? i think kv coins did a great job on the 3-d work on that side.

getting to production take a bit to satisfy the majority of the people. dropping in the satellite was the last step i believe.

perhaps Tandemaniacs would like to utilize her art skills to put the final touches on the earth design and we could team up for production. designing coins is great fun....producing and distributing them can be a pain.

Sorry, I put he in one of my posts. :blink:

24.7k · October 20, 2005

The price is high but I would imagine you can find a way to get it lower. The tracking is nice. Concept wise I like your idea better than the other coin based on looks alone.

This falls into a catagory that I call "Related" not having anything better to call it. It's not a signature coin, it's not an organization coin. if you don't make a profit it's not commercial (but if you do it is, that's sometimes hard to tell). It's not an event coin, it's not a cache coin, and it's not a coin group coin. As an aside I'm beginning to wonder if I should make a seasonal/holiday catagory.

What that means is that ICE would be interested in a few.

There you go. :blink:

1k · October 20, 2005

Just do it !!

People can "talk" and "post" ideas about a geocoin but someone has to put it into ACTION!

BTW.....love it!

October 20, 2005

Hear me now and believe me for all time!!!

$10 is not a lot to ask for the coins to be minted. Here's why... First I come up with an idea, then I spend days designing it and reworking it. I contact the minter and upload the work. I wait for GC to approve the design. I pay for the coins $5/coin with minting prices, special icon and trackable GC numbers. Time is spent talking to you about this, and advertising. I spend thousands of dollars upfront and then I will then sell it to a dealer to take over sales. (Because quite frankly dealing with Paypal and people's bounced checks, sucks!) I sold 200 Big Bear coins and if I took all my time for design, advertising, Excel set up of customers, time to update with each incoming check, purchasing of mailers, time to go to the post office for pricing and stamps and mailing it off as well as constant contact with customers, I am making about $ .30/hour. The Geocoin business is not a way to make money. I do it because I am an artist. You may gripe about the cost of a coin being $7 or $10, but people who have never made a coin have no idea what goes into it.

And that's all I have to say about that!

No hard feelings. I had to get that off my chest.

-Ronney

October 20, 2005

AMEN!!! Someone who feels my pain.

October 20, 2005

I've never made a coin, but when I was looking in to it lately I realized how much work goes into it. Keep up the work! :blink: And I never complained about the price.

Edited October 20, 2005 by Dew Crew

October 20, 2005

Hear me now and believe me for all time!!!

$10 is not a lot to ask for the coins to be minted. Here's why... First I come up with an idea, then I spend days designing it and reworking it. I contact the minter and upload the work. I wait for GC to approve the design. I pay for the coins $5/coin with minting prices, special icon and trackable GC numbers. Time is spent talking to you about this, and advertising. I spend thousands of dollars upfront and then I will then sell it to a dealer to take over sales. (Because quite frankly dealing with Paypal and people's bounced checks, sucks!) I sold 200 Big Bear coins and if I took all my time for design, advertising, Excel set up of customers, time to update with each incoming check, purchasing of mailers, time to go to the post office for pricing and stamps and mailing it off as well as constant contact with customers, I am making about $ .30/hour. The Geocoin business is not a way to make money. I do it because I am an artist. You may gripe about the cost of a coin being $7 or $10, but people who have never made a coin have no idea what goes into it.

And that's all I have to say about that!

No hard feelings. I had to get that off my chest.

-Ronney

Amen...been there done that!

2.8k · October 20, 2005

Hear me now and believe me for all time!!!

$10 is not a lot to ask for the coins to be minted. Here's why... First I come up with an idea, then I spend days designing it and reworking it. I contact the minter and upload the work. I wait for GC to approve the design. I pay for the coins $5/coin with minting prices, special icon and trackable GC numbers. Time is spent talking to you about this, and advertising. I spend thousands of dollars upfront and then I will then sell it to a dealer to take over sales. (Because quite frankly dealing with Paypal and people's bounced checks, sucks!) I sold 200 Big Bear coins and if I took all my time for design, advertising, Excel set up of customers, time to update with each incoming check, purchasing of mailers, time to go to the post office for pricing and stamps and mailing it off as well as constant contact with customers, I am making about $ .30/hour. The Geocoin business is not a way to make money. I do it because I am an artist. You may gripe about the cost of a coin being $7 or $10, but people who have never made a coin have no idea what goes into it.

And that's all I have to say about that!

No hard feelings. I had to get that off my chest.

-Ronney

Amen...been there done that!

There is not much question that a reasonable COST of a coin could be $10 in the circumstances you describe. However there is a tough argument to make that the VALUE of a geocoin could be $10. Especially if there are 500 or more of them being minted. Anyone who wants to use them as trade fodder is going to be trading for coins that, in the vast majority of cases cost their trading partner far less. And (gasp), the thought of making it an actual geocoin by placing a $10 item in a cache is daunting even for those with broad financial resources.

Edited October 20, 2005 by pdxmarathonman

2k · October 20, 2005

Ok-so you want paid for your time it took you to make your coin? Then I want everybody who bought mine to send me 5 more dollars for MY time.

Yeah-that ain't gonna happen.

There is not one person that has been paid for their time on designing and making their coin, yet they don't complain. I am in that group, I have my coin and my sons. I designed, databased, uploaded, contacted, dealt with, packaged (which I don't have time for), go to the post office, go to sams for mailers-all while dealing with a hurricane, being on the PTO, being on the Boy Scout Committee, and Co-Chair on Geowoodstock4. Please whine to me about your time. I put my time and so have many other collectors and we/they have not charged because this is my hobbie and the people that enjoy trading withs hobbie. I will not take advantage of that, which is what you are doing. I refuse to pay for your time in your coin, if you didn't have time you should not make the dam coin.

Imagine what prices will be now since we will start "paying by the hour" for Geocoins.

Sorry if this makes you or anybody else upset/offened/or mad but I feel this had to be said and I already know-

and this

1.4k · October 20, 2005

I liked your first coin and was lucky to get one. I will however pass up on this design.

1.4k · October 20, 2005

[$10 is not a lot to ask for the coins to be minted. Here's why...

And that's all I have to say about that!

No hard feelings. I had to get that off my chest.

Read the thread geocoins are guaranteed money makers. This is a fine example here.

Forrest Gump once said "thats all I have to say about that".

Had to get that one off of my chest.

October 20, 2005

I'm an artist. I should be paid for my time. Do you expect to buy a painting for your wall or a sculpture for the price of the materials?!?!? No, an artist gets paid for their time just like everybody else. And yes, sometimes we sell it for less, why do you think we are called starving artists. I am asking for my time on the coin to be paid, not time missed for transporting boy scouts....that's my own time and yours!

-Ronney

1.4k · October 20, 2005

I'm an artist. I should be paid for my time. Do you expect to buy a painting for your wall or a sculpture for the price of the materials?!?!?

Anyone who designs and offers a geocoin to the geocaching community should be doing it for enjoyment and not a way to make a living.

October 20, 2005

I'm an artist. I should be paid for my time. Do you expect to buy a painting for your wall or a sculpture for the price of the materials?!?!?

Anyone who designs and offers a geocoin to the geocaching community should be doing it for enjoyment and not a way to make a living.

I agree with Cav Scout. I think your time would be better spent using your talents on something other than a geocoin.

October 20, 2005

It definitely sounds like a line is being crossed here, and this coin would be more of a commercial venture.

For personal coins and geocaching group coins, we do not expect that people will be paid for their time. They are doing it for the enjoyment, or to give something back to the hobby.

For a commercially produced coin, people expect some compensation for their time. Take the Seven Summits coins... This seems to fall more into the commercial realm. We recognize this and adjust our expectations as to what we are paying and what that money is for.

To me, it sounds like this coin falls more in line with this. As long as recognize the intent, and decide whether or not to buy the coin based upon the right information, I do not see any problem with it.

The similarity to the Earth coin being desgined is a different subject. There are a limited number of subject that lend themselves well to geocaching, so we will see some overlap. We have already seen this in the variety of Holiday Coins coming out in the near future. We each have to decide which coins we want to purchase and/or trade for, and eventually the people producing the coins will understand the market and either conform to it, or end up with merchandise that cannot be sold.

2k · October 20, 2005

QUOTE]Anyone who designs and offers a geocoin to the geocaching community should be doing it for enjoyment and not a way to make a living.

Exactly!!!

Edited October 20, 2005 by ladycacher

24.7k · October 20, 2005

...For a commercially produced coin, people expect some compensation for their time. Take the Seven Summits coins... This seems to fall more into the commercial realm. We recognize this and adjust our expectations as to what we are paying and what that money is for.

To me, it sounds like this coin falls more in line with this. As long as recognize the intent, and decide whether or not to buy the coin based upon the right information, I do not see any problem with it....

Good summary. For my coin group I had to put this in the commercial catagory. If this coin is made some will order individualy as may I . However as a group we don't do commercial coins.

Tandemaniacs, the controversy over commercial, or the similarity to the other coin isn't personal. It's just part of the feedback you requsted. You have been up front on exactly what you are going to do with the coin. That's fair, and I wish all cachers who make a coin were as straight forward.

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