+kph100 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 (edited) Hi I have Scafell Pike in my watched list at it was one I planned to do previously. Ive had an update email where a cacher claimed this for Aug 2002. A check on their profile shows they did not join till after this date. What are peoples views on this ? personally thinks its wrong and should be deleted otherwise we could claim all sorts, like myself I have climbed Snowsdon loads of times and could claim this but have not until I do it after being a cacher ? Am I being unfair ? Edited December 19, 2004 by kph100 Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 (edited) They dont have the gps in the photo either as stated on the cache page. But I would not worry about it to much, its up to the cache owner. Scafell was my 16th cache, 6 months after starting caching, but I did not know about the cache till a month AFTER I got back. I had the photo with me and my gps, so I emailed the owner and asked if it was OK. Edited December 19, 2004 by Deego Quote Link to comment
+Donnacha Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 (edited) It might be just the cacher wanted to see what the game was all about before creating an account. I didn't have a GC.com account when I found my first two, but after discovering I liked the game, I created an account the same day. Edited December 19, 2004 by Donnacha Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Hmmm... I'm in two minds about this, I see that many (most?) of the logs don't have pictures of GPSrs in them and four of the logs predate the cache. So where do you draw the line? Quote Link to comment
+Cryptik Souls Crew Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Hmmm... I'm in two minds about this, I see that many (most?) of the logs don't have pictures of GPSrs in them and four of the logs predate the cache. So where do you draw the line? If it was my cache, I would delete them all. Quote Link to comment
+klaus23 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 This can be a problem, and has to be enforced by the cache owner. If you have a cache where a pic is needed with a GPS, or where the log requires an answer to be mailed to the owner, then a log lacking this criteria must be deleted. If this is not done, then you will get into a situation where you've got holiday snaps being used and the problem you're now facing. I would start right now. Go back through all the logs and make a list of all the cachers involved. If photos have been posted without the GPS shown, and this is clearly stated as a requirement on the cache page, then mail the cachers involved, ask them to provide a pic with GPS, and upload it. If this does not happen, or they don't have a picture, then the log has to be deleted. As the owner, you must act on this. There will be scenarios like Donnacha, who found caches and then created a username, and Deego, who unwittingly got a photo that fitted the criteria - but if you've got someone who started caching, then realised there was a cache on Scarfell, then uploaded an old shot that did not meet the requirements and claimed the find, then you'll have to take action. Otherwise it will be to the cache's detriment and the people who did make the effort and found the cache as required will be disappointed. Quote Link to comment
+pieces_of_8 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Good question! I've done quite a few of these virtual cache peaks...before i got into caching. I've got photos of various memorials and trig points.....in various levels of cloud and rain.. etc BUT no picture of the GPS cos I didn't own one at the time. I had wondered myself if i could claim them as finds.... i dont get to go the hilly bits of the country that often and feel i should climb new peaks whilst there rather than climbing the same ones (nice as they are) just to claim a virtual. If people say they've done them when really they haven't it just themselves they're lying to and will have to live with the guilt. I'll dig my photos out and plead with the individual cache owners Mart Quote Link to comment
+John Stead Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Sorry, while I have a lot of respect for what has been said so far on this topic, I don't see how one can validly log as a find a cache which one did not know about when you visited it and obtained the evidence. Quote Link to comment
+Bill D (wwh) Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 It seems he did the cache nine months before it was set. And according to the logs, even then he wasn't first to find. The first log is from over a year before the cache was set... Quote Link to comment
+Stuey Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 What are peoples views on this ? personally thinks its wrong..... Am I being unfair ? I decided to just post a note, as although I was a cacher at the time, I wasn't going to get the cache (I didn't know it was "just" a virtual). Although the photo has the GPS in it, I decided to leave it for another day. Am I mad????? Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Sorry, while I have a lot of respect for what has been said so far on this topic, I don't see how one can validly log as a find a cache which one did not know about when you visited it and obtained the evidence. I was young and naive to the ways of caching Quote Link to comment
+John Stead Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I was young and naive to the ways of caching Not getting at you Brian - I'd probably have done the same, especially if I had made it to the top of England! Happy Christmas Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I've seen many virtual pages state that "old vacation photos are not acceptable" to claim the find. If you don't have to visit "as a cacher", then I should be able to claim "finds" in every state and country I've ever visited. Sorry, this game doesn't work that way. Quote Link to comment
Deego Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 (edited) I was young and naive to the ways of caching Not getting at you Brian - I'd probably have done the same, especially if I had made it to the top of England! Happy Christmas I did not think you were All I was trying to say was I would not do it now. But at the time I thought it was the right way of doing it, If the GPS had not been in the picture I would not have even tried to log it. Edited December 19, 2004 by Deego Quote Link to comment
+pieces_of_8 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 wow hot topic...... maybe i'll be climbing them again then....... at least i know the way now..... and maybe they'll be cloud free...... yeah right Mart Quote Link to comment
+Boneychest & Catsuey Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 OK then... what about a traditional cache? What if someone finds a traditional cache by accident, signs the log and then takes up geocaching a year or more later and claims the find? That would be ok wouldn't it "TNLNSL". A virtual cache is only asking you to visit the coordinates - if you have done that then you have found the cache (virtually) as long as the thing you are supposed to find was there when you visited it! I agree though that if the listing asks for proof then it should be supplied but 'person on top of hill with recognisable background' should be adequate, with or without GPSR in hand. I have to admit that I'm not a great fan of virtual caches, and I have visited Pen-Y-Fan many times prior to starting geocaching but never considered claiming it as a find without going back again (one day....) but why not? <_< Quote Link to comment
+MarcB Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I wouldn't want to log it personally (I've become a stats-saint, dates and numbers *have* to be correct!) but if you go ahead, I (and many others) wouldn't mind. MarcB Quote Link to comment
+Bill D (wwh) Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Boneychest & Catsuey wrote:OK then... what about a traditional cache? What if someone finds a traditional cache by accident, signs the log and then takes up geocaching a year or more later and claims the find? That would be ok wouldn't it "TNLNSL". A virtual cache is only asking you to visit the coordinates - if you have done that then you have found the cache (virtually) as long as the thing you are supposed to find was there when you visited it! I agree though that if the listing asks for proof then it should be supplied but 'person on top of hill with recognisable background' should be adequate, with or without GPSR in hand. That's a very interesting point. I'd never looked at it like that. Certainly I would agree that the traditional in your example would be a valid find - indeed more than a few cachers have discovered the game when they found a cache by accident, and then signed up after the find. In the light of that, I'm inclined to think that I myself would accept a found log on a virtual from before someone began caching, provided that they supplied the proof requested on the cache page. Quote Link to comment
+John Stead Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 (edited) OK then... what about a traditional cache? What if someone finds a traditional cache by accident, signs the log and then takes up geocaching a year or more later and claims the find? That is more or less how our ace (for the time being) cacher Seasider started, except that he joined the club and logged the cache as soon as he found out what it was all about - then proceeded to log 100 in I think three weeks, and 1000 in 9 months or so! Edited December 20, 2004 by John Stead Quote Link to comment
+Lizzzzeeeee Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I've just received a watchlist notification for Pharisee's new cache by a cacher known as Virtualcacher. He logged it with a brief "Been there done that. TNLN The VC" so I thought I'd look at his profile as it seems a little brief for such an "involved" cache! Virtualcacher profile It seems he's been a member since September but found 60 caches yesterday - could this be something of a record????? Or maybe this thread has stirred him up????? Quote Link to comment
+milvus-milvus Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I just saw that one too. Apparently he also completed "North Beds 10 miler" as part of his round-the-country 60-cache dash. Someone's playing silly b*gg*rs. Quote Link to comment
+The Hornet Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I was about to start a new thread on this "Guy". Seems like he found a few of mine as well. Like you I checked his profile and it seems that in his quest for 60 caches in one day he visited Bucks, Beds, Herts, Northants and among other counties - Cornwall. Quite impressive - I think not. I suspect that his total of 60 won't be quite so impressive by the end of the day Quote Link to comment
+minstrelcat Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Ooh - I went up Scafell Pike in 1994 - maybe I can get a FTF! Lisa Quote Link to comment
+Alibags Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 I climbed Scarfell pike in about 1883, I think perhaps *I* should now claim it? Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I climbed Scarfell pike in about 1883, I think perhaps *I* should now claim it? 1883? dadgum you're looking good for your age Ali! SP Quote Link to comment
+windywalkers Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 A intresting question but i would look at this as even if they dont log it for a while at least when they do it means they have signed upto geocaching which gives the site another member and hopefully they will continue caching in the future and may become a premium member helping the site even more, anyway its all good fun the more people who becomes geocachers the better for all other geocachers. over and out windywalkers Quote Link to comment
+Belplasca Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 in his quest for 60 caches in one day he visited Bucks, Beds, Herts, Northants and among other counties - Cornwall. Well, I DID do caches in Kent and Cornwall in one day... But I only found 11 caches total in the day - all of them in different counties. So, it would be possible to log caches in Northamptonshire and Cornwall in the same day. But find 58 other caches? Nah! Bob Aldridge Quote Link to comment
+Belplasca Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 My first few caches were found without a GPS at all. So, I could not log a cache that required a picture of one (Unless I used Photoshop, of course! Bob Aldridge Quote Link to comment
+Alibags Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 1883? dadgum you're looking good for your age Ali! It's the wrinkly portrait in my attic that does it. Quote Link to comment
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