are younger kids in post rooms?

September 22, 2003

I am 12, and I wondered if any kids my age are in post rooms! thank you! BYE!

***nick***

5.3k · September 22, 2003

There are some people here who are older, but less mature than you...

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

Eamus Catuli AC145895

September 22, 2003

Stunod: So True.

9.4k · September 22, 2003

Good one, Stunod! I'll vouch for Jomarac5, he acts like he's less mature than most

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

1.2k · September 22, 2003

Sounds to me like time for a kids forum, what do you think?

I'd let mine get on here if there was one, but not until.

"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

September 22, 2003

Breaktrack: Thats a good idea! As long as its heavily moderated it should be okay.

9.4k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cybo:
Breaktrack: Thats a good idea! As long as its heavily moderated it should be okay.

So just rename the General Forum to the Kids Forum, it's moderated enough already!

Took sun from sky, left world in eternal darkness

3.9k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cybo:
Breaktrack: Thats a good idea! As long as its heavily moderated it should be okay.

I don't believe that moderation is any longer a problem. I do think it would be a great idea to have a section for "Young Adults"

El Diablo

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

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5.9k · September 22, 2003

Guess I need to clean up my language now.

I’m only 17 myself, well, maturity level anyway…

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September 22, 2003

Heh, guess your right about that.

8.4k · September 22, 2003

A Kids Forum is a good idea, but they would need to be registered there by their parents to keep predators out.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

5.3k · September 22, 2003

If I remember correctly, Jeremy mentioned that there were some pretty stringent requirements in order to advertise a "kid friendly" forum. It's probably not worth the trouble (or liability) to even try it.

"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson

Eamus Catuli AC145895

6.5k · September 22, 2003

Criminal wrote:

quote:
I’m only 17 myself, well, maturity level anyway

Would that be in dog years?

These changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes;

Nothing remains quite the same.

Through all of the islands and all of the highlands,

If we couldn't laugh we would all go insane

1.2k · September 22, 2003

Sorry about that, bad day at the dial-up....lol.

1.2k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Cybo:
Breaktrack: Thats a good idea! As long as its heavily moderated it should be okay.

Thanks Cybo, but actually, it will be HEAVILY moderated, by ME. My children do not get on the computer without supervision. In my way of thinking, the unsupervised use of the internet is as dangerous to kids as anything else in the home. I know most will probably disagree with me, but that's how I feel.

But I'm ornery that way....lol.

"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

24.7k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Stunod:
If I remember correctly, Jeremy mentioned that there were some pretty stringent requirements in order to advertise a "kid friendly" forum. It's probably not worth the trouble (or liability) to even try it.

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_"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand." - Homer Simpson_

__Eamus Catuli AC145895__

You remember right.

September 22, 2003

quote:
Thanks Cybo, but actually, it will be HEAVILY moderated, by ME. My children do not get on the computer without supervision. In my way of thinking, the unsupervised use of the internet is as dangerous to kids as anything else in the home. I know most will probably disagree with me, but that's how I feel.

Keep up the good work Breaktrack! There need to be more parents like you. Hats off!

- GoatSniFFer

"Don't you hate it when the toliet paper rips?"

September 22, 2003

yep Breaktrack, the internet is a dangerous place for kids and I applaude you for making it safe for yours. I was just approached by a parent at work worried about their childs chat sessions. I recommended putting the comp in the family room where they would be supervised and to also install software to monitor where they go and what they chat about. Some say its an invasion of privacy, I say its bad parenting to not do it.

3.9k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Thanks Cybo, but actually, it will be HEAVILY moderated, by ME. My children do not get on the computer without supervision. In my way of thinking, the unsupervised use of the internet is as dangerous to kids as anything else in the home. I know most will probably disagree with me, but that's how I feel.

But I'm ornery that way....lol.

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"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

If you have ever been in a chatroom you know that it's overrun by kids that are talking about things they shouldn't be. More parents need to be like you Breaktrack! Keep up the good work.

El Diablo

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by El Diablo:
If you have ever been in a chatroom you know that it's overrun by kids that are talking about things they shouldn't be.

They ar also overrun by adults pretending to be kids talking about things they shouldn't just ti get their jolly's. If you have multiple puters in the house, there is plenty of spy softwares to make dam sure you're kids aren't doing what they shouldn't be. My son was busted once cause he didn't think I knew how to check for things like that. Now he knows!!!

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September 22, 2003

As a librarian, I am somewhat familiar with the rules for kid-friendly boards - and yes, there are a few. BUT, I think it can be done, especially if 2 or 3 adult moderators are willing to make it their pet project. And, as this is a sport done by many families, I think having a kid's forum (say, under 16) is an excellent idea. It would allow kids who are old enough to be seriously interested in caching to have a place to talk to other kids, and it would help cut down on the kid traffic in the other sections.

Breaktrack -

I agree with you whole-heartedly! I do not have children, but if I did, they wouldn't be allowed to surf unsupervised. It's too bad we live in a world with so much danger in the form of predators, but we do, and to ignore that fact can have tragic results.

3k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Breaktrack:
Thanks Cybo, but actually, it will be HEAVILY moderated, by ME. My children do not get on the computer without supervision. In my way of thinking, the unsupervised use of the internet is as dangerous to kids as anything else in the home. I know most will probably disagree with me, but that's how I feel.

But I'm ornery that way....lol.

You Da man, or should I say dad? I wish there were more parents like you that watched their kids here in 'general'

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September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Xitron:
Some say its an invasion of privacy, I say its bad parenting to not do it.

Yes, so very right... I know a parent who will not 'correct' her children for anything that they do if she herself 'got away with' the same thing as a child. The 'reasoning' is given as 'I wasn't punished for that so I can't reasonably punish my own children...' When I ask her what happens if, for example, her children were to become involved in underage drinking she says that, since she got away with it and came to no harm, she is unable to say anything to them.....

We need more parents with attitudes like yours and BreakTracks.

Only nuts eat squirrels,

Snake

3.9k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by cool_librarian:
As a librarian, I am somewhat familiar with the rules for kid-friendly boards - and yes, there are a few. BUT, I think it can be done, especially if 2 or 3 adult moderators are willing to make it their pet project. And, as this is a sport done by many families, I think having a kid's forum (say, under 16) is an excellent idea. It would allow kids who are old enough to be seriously interested in caching to have a place to talk to other kids, and it would help cut down on the kid traffic in the other sections.

Breaktrack -

I agree with you whole-heartedly! I do not have children, but if I did, they wouldn't be allowed to surf unsupervised. It's too bad we live in a world with so much danger in the form of predators, but we do, and to ignore that fact can have tragic results.

I'm the father of 2...and the Grandfather of 5. I'd be more than willing to keep an eye on them.

El diablo

Everything you do in life...will impact someone,for better or for worse.

http://www.geo-hikingstick.com

September 22, 2003

I soooooo admire the attidudes that I see reflected in the posts made by parents in this thread. The whole concept of child safety on the 'net has been a bit of a 'thing' with me for some time now. I know it is a long 'read' but here is an extract from an article I wrote some time back on the subject. Hope no one objects to it being posted here.

Don't Burn The Books!

I like the Internet. I believe that the 'net is probably mankind's greatest achievement bar none. OK, I admit that I only touch the surface of the 'net. I am a user of the world wide web - not the 'net proper I am told. Well, OK, I won't argue that point. However, I will say this - I have seldom been in a position where I was unable to find what I wanted on the 'net - sorry, on the web.

What is the point of all this? It's this, a highly personal view point of an aspect of the chat scene that I DON'T LIKE!

The chat scene generally expects people to use false names or 'handles' as, it is said, a security thing. Why do so many chatters use names including words like 'death', 'Satan', 'chaos' and other such concepts? I have seen many chat rooms with such names in widespread use. I saw a three way chat on one occasion between 'Satan's Disciple', 'The Lord Of Chaos' and 'Bill Gates'. The inclusion of Mr. Gates on that occasion (I doubt if it was the 'original') was almost amusing but then again I have seen the name 'Child Molester' in use also. I would guess that the bulk of chatters making use of such handles (based on the content of the over seen conversations) are boys around the age of 14/15. This whole scene is rather sick and sad.

There is much talk today about the possible corrupting influence of the web on our younger people and much lauding of such software as 'Safe Surf' and 'Net Nanny'. While the 'net does contain many disturbing influences so also does your local library and any store stocking a reasonable cross section of today's plethora of magazine publications. Surely it is our responsibility to teach and to lead our children in such a way that they have no desire to visit these sites as opposed to blocking them from access which just raises their interest factor? Do we stop our children from going to the library because there is a book in there featuring photographs of unpleasant subject matter? I hope not! Do we stop our children from entering a book store because there is a magazine there that features naked bodies on the cover? I hope not! Do we teach our children both by formal instruction and by example to have respect for each others points of view and indeed, simply for each other? I hope that we do!

The web scares many parents today because of ignorance. Ignorance is not a sin - it is simply a lack of knowledge. It is natural to be concerned about that which we do not understand but in this case it is also easy to deal with. Parents should learn a little about what they are allowing their children to get into in any case - so parents, try it for yourself. It's not that hard to learn enough to loose your fear. And please, pay attention to your son or daughter in a chat room environment. That is the true danger of the web. Most web sites are static and will not hold a persons attention for long but a living, reacting person can have a large influence on anyone in a conversational situation.

Would you like to think that your son or daughter was spending time in the company of 'The Devil Incarnate' or 'The Masked Rapist'? I doubt it. Or worse! Do you know that your child is not him/her self 'Evil On Earth' or 'The Force Of Destruction'?

Finally, please do not keep your children from using the web because of some misunderstood media horror story. The web is its self part of the media and the more long standing members of it are afraid of the changes that are being thrust upon them by this new method of disseminating information. There is a certain amount of kicking and screaming going on in the ranks of the traditionalists as they see their monopoly being eroded before them. The Internet is not inherently dangerous. Possible misuses of it however, are terrifying. But no more so than any other form of publishing. We all have heard historical references to book burning. Let us not have a 'net burning' caused by similar lack of knowledge.

Only nuts eat squirrels,

Snake

September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Breaktrack:
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Breaktrack: Thats a good idea! As long as its heavily moderated it should be okay.

Thanks Cybo, but actually, it will be HEAVILY moderated, by ME. My children do not get on the computer without supervision. In my way of thinking, the unsupervised use of the internet is as dangerous to kids as anything else in the home. I know most will probably disagree with me, but that's how I feel.

But I'm ornery that way....lol.

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2.3k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Team GPSaxophone:
Good one, Stunod! I'll vouch for Jomarac5, he acts like he's less mature than most

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Team GPSaxophone this kind of comment is not needed or wanted. Please play nice.

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The Frog is my friend

1.5k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by CO Admin:
Team GPSaxophone this kind of comment is not needed or wanted. Please play nice.

I work for the Hottie that works for the Frog

The Frog is my friend

If humor isn't needed nor wanted, how about getting rid of your signature lines?

September 22, 2003

Bug and Snake that was some post. I agree 100% the web is out there and is not going away, so we need to teach all the parents,not the children, to teach their children how to be safe. If the parents are involved then it is much less likely that the child will get into trouble. I have advised many parents with the companies I've worked with the best methods of doing this, and almost all have had positive results, though a few ended up with the comp being removed and hard feeling all around. I try and teach awareness of whats going on not censorship, if a child knows that the person on the other end of a teen chat room may be in his/her 30's then they are much less likely to agree to meet them. I try to not scare the child, but to inform them, and more importantly inform the parents that it can be dangerous and to just use common sense. You need to monitor your childs web and chat activity, no matter how much they protest. It is a simple fact that todays world is much more dangerous then it was when we grew up, we need to adjust and not bury our head in the sand.

September 22, 2003

mids forum sounds great!

***nick***

September 22, 2003

I am a Network Administrator and one of my duties is to monitor our employee Internet activity. I am amazed to see the amount of people at work surfing porn or adult related material. My Internet filter stops them cold, but they continually try. I often wonder what they tell their families why they got fired.

Word to the wise? If you don't think your employer is watching your surfing habits? Think again...I do it all day! I am now working on filtering and monitoring e-mail.

- GoatSniFFer

"Don't you hate it when the toliet paper rips?"

September 22, 2003

Goat I find that the first warning is usually enough to keep them from surfing again. I bring them into the office and show them the log file and they are usually way too embarrased to say more then "do I still have a job". After that they fly straight and even warn others about surfing. I fel thats a much better solution then just firing someone, you get the word out not to do it.

1.2k · September 22, 2003

Well, thanks all for your feedback, I do appreciate it. I see several of you feel as I do when it comes to the internet and kids. One thing I have done was to keep all of the family computers in the family room. No one, not even me, has a computer off somewhere private. If there is ever anything I need to do on the computer that I don't want the kids to see, it will be done after they go to bed. Otherwise, everyone is subject to monitoring by everyone else.

On the other hand, I am a big believer in being computer literate and being knowledgeable about the internet. What little we do with it now is nothing compared to what will be done when they are grown and running the world...lol. They need to know it, and be able to use it.

As for the one where the parent refuses to correct her children if they have done things she got away with when she was little. I am speechless.... I look on it as learning from the mistakes of the past, why should my children pay for my NOT learning from those mistakes that I somehow survived???? I don't know what else to say about that, I'm just in shock to hear such a parenting strategy.

Oh well, to each their own.....

"Afghanistan was a battle. Iraq was a battle. The war goes on."

September 22, 2003

Yes there are other kids out there like me i'm 13

September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Xitron:
Goat I find that the first warning is usually enough to keep them from surfing again. I bring them into the office and show them the log file and they are usually way too embarrased to say more then "do I still have a job". After that they fly straight and even warn others about surfing. I fel thats a much better solution then just firing someone, you get the word out not to do it.

You are correct, most of the time that is all it takes. The embarrassment alone usually prevents a reoccurance.

I am having more of problem with our Europe divisions, mainly Germany, which is a whole different set of rules there.

In the US, all 5 of our divisions are allowed 90 minutes total per day on the Internet. We open business links when requested, but they use quota time for news & sports, etc.

- GoatSniFFer

"Don't you hate it when the toliet paper rips?"

September 22, 2003

The way I see it is I got away with alot from learning from my older brothers mistakes. I got away with alot more then he did, does that mean I will let anyone get away with what I did? Hell no!! It lets me prevent them from making the same mistakes I made, and lets them get away with alot less. I do not understand why a parent would think just because they got away with it it was right. I have done alot of stupid things in my life and would not want to see them repeated by my offspring.

September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by GoaTSniFFer:
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You are correct, most of the time that is all it takes. The embarrassment alone usually prevents a reoccurance.

I am having more of problem with our Europe divisions, mainly Germany, which is a whole different set of rules there.

In the US, all 5 of our divisions are allowed 90 minutes total per day on the Internet. We open business links when requested, but they use quota time for news & sports, etc.

- GoatSniFFer

"Don't you hate it when the toliet paper rips?"

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My company has sites in 27 countries, thank god i don't have to manage them!!

September 22, 2003

Wow, its amazing how fast a topic can grow and how diverse it can get. Very interesting read.

September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Breaktrack:
As for the one where the parent refuses to correct her children if they have done things she got away with when she was little. I am speechless.... I look on it as learning from the mistakes of the past, why should my children pay for my NOT learning from those mistakes that I somehow survived???? I don't know what else to say about that, I'm just in shock to hear such a parenting strategy.

You and me too and believe me, I have argued with this woman more times than I can count.

Seems that you and I agree completely on this stuff - *lol* - I even agree with yer sig line!

Only nuts eat squirrels,

Snake

September 22, 2003

I would also be willing to volunteer as a monitor for a kid's forum...but don't take me up on it unless you want monitors who will be extremely strict.

Peace,

Radical Geezer

2.7k · September 22, 2003

It is really silly to use the things we did and got away with as excuse not to warn our kids and correct them for doing the same. Quite to the contrary, the dumb things we did and got away with carry some of the most important lessons we can teach our children.

I see this all the time with tobacco. A parent will say, "I can't tell my kids not to smoke, because I smoke."

Baloney! You tell the kid #1- "I'm over 18 and it is an adult decision and when you are an adult it will be your decision to make" #2- "It is wrong. I am endangering my health. I have a habit- an ADDICTION that I can't get rid of. DON'T START"

(This is only an example. If you think tobacco is OK for you and your kids That is OK by me. It is not the point of this post to tell you you shouldn't smoke)

I do not try to hide the foolish things I did (do) from my kids. I tell the kids all my "good war stories" and then I tell them why I was (am) wrong in doing them.

It really does help a kid (or an adult for that matter) to know that they aren't the only one that has ever done a bad thing. It is very valuable for them to see that life goes on and that people recover from their mistakes.

Missing this very important lesson is a common cause of teen suicide- which is the ONLY crisis a kid encounters that is NOT recoverable.

This lesson is best taught by example. If I can be that example because of some mistakes I made, then so be it. I believe that's why God allowed me to survive the stoopid things I've done and to go through the tough times I have gone through.

"Yes, Jr., that is wrong. You are grounded FOR LIFE! I was grounded for life when I did it too... let me tell you about it..."

"Freedom is a two-way street."

GDAE, Dave

9.5k · September 22, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Xitron:
Goat I find that the first warning is usually enough to keep them from surfing again. I bring them into the office and show them the log file and they are usually way too embarrased to say more then "do I still have a job". After that they fly straight and even warn others about surfing. I fel thats a much better solution then just firing someone, you get the word out not to do it.

Not necessarily true. I worked for a company that continuously posted and reminded on policy regarding inappropriate material and behavior. And yet, after several worldwide posts to all the employees over the course of a year, 25 people in one office still got fired for passing around inappropriate humor and images in the office e-mail. Some people will just be non-believers until it happens to them.

Cheers!

TL

September 22, 2003

with all due respect to good ideas and volunteerism what would the kids talk about that the adults wouldn't... or vice versa?

September 23, 2003

What a lot of parents seem to forget is that the internet is a tool, not a toy. You wouldn't walk off and leave the room while your kid plays with a hammer, right? Kudos, to all the parents here. If more parents thought like you, the world would be a better place.

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are younger kids in post rooms?

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