+spyderman Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I have had a cache supposedly bombed by the USFS. Has this happened to anyone else. Supposedly the cache was unmarked and the rangers thought it was a terrorist thing planted out in the woods. Maybe they thought someone was after Smokey? Check out "End of the Road" cache. Quote Link to comment
+Logscaler and Red Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Which "End of the road" cache is yours? There are a box full. Link? Never mind. I found it. Sounds like 50/50 fault on that one. But if they end up writing one citation, I would appeal it in court asking why they have not removed any other caches in the forest. (Unless they already have that is.) logscaler. [This message was edited by logscaler on July 12, 2003 at 09:44 PM.] Quote Link to comment
+ScubaDewd Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 The ignorance of some people, with a little authority, never ceases to amaze me. What kind of terrorist do they think would hide an ITEM in the middle of the woods?! Hmmm... unless, like you said, they are trying to destroy the Great American Icon... Smokey Bear!!! Quote Link to comment
+ScubaDewd Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Try this one , logscaler. ScubaDewd Quote Link to comment
+Rattlehead Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Fox News Channel was running an item on an Al Qaeda forest fire plot using timed devices. Here's a link: FBI Sent Alert on Al Qaeda Forest Fire Plot Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Painting them wiht the word Geocache is a good idea. So is the sticker but I've never forked over the money on the sticker. The name of the cache would be hadny, but I'm not good at that, but I can put my own handle on the cache container as no big deal. Quote Link to comment
+McCaughan Family Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 The stickers are well worth the money. Also, clear containers. We are doing our first ammo can just because a critter is eatting our cache Geocaching Families of East TN Quote Link to comment
+Breaktrack Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 It appeared to me the admin (Honeychile) had the right attitude. The individuals involved in dissasembling this cache were just doing their job, they were not being arrogant or ignorant, just not risking their well being without the information to decide it was something harmless. All of us who use ammo cans know what they used to be used for, military ammunition. This gives those containers a certain, I don't know, preconceived notion I guess, they might still contain something "ammunition or explosives like" and someone could have been storing them at an out of the way location for use later on. This is not outside the realm of possibility and those folks called out to check it out are simply not going to take a chance with it. For those of us who use ammo cans (especially me, lol), it is our responsibility to use the geocaching stickers, or mark the cans in some other obvious way so that these types of misunderstandings do no occur. The guidelines for placing caches do say to mark your cache container so it is just good common sense to do so. If you don't, then I cannot see why you have any complaint if some bomb squad puts a couple of blasting caps on the hinge and blows the top off, sorry. Sure, it's a great training exercise for the bomb squad members, but it's not their fault for being called out there and dealing with it. As for calling the Rangers stupid, and not knowing which way is up or down, etc.... that's just immature and a childish reaction to a situation where some people refuse to put themselves in someone elses' shoes. They are doing their job, even if we don't always agree with their overly protective attitude, it does NOT make them bad people. I'm sure we'll all agree that ignorance runs the gamut of people, not just those with "a little authority". If everybody was a computer geek with a gpsr, like us, then everyone would probably know about geocaching. Just because we are all involved in this little activity that does not mean the rest of the world is. Like that guy who dresses up like a Klingon and runs a Klingon web site. Hey, that's his thing and I'm sure he and others enjoy that, but when it comes to speaking Klingon I'm lost as a goose...LOL. So I guess that would make me ignorant. Just my humble opinion. "Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life. Quote Link to comment
SuperAlpha Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 So what is to stop Al Queda from labeling their "bombs" with the word "Geocache"???? Quote Link to comment
The Falcon Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 How many caches have you been to that ticked? ===== It is the tale, not he who tells it." Quote Link to comment
+Grandview Crew Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Same thing happened to this cache in our area. Quote Link to comment
+Breaktrack Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 quote:Originally posted by The Falcon:How many caches have you been to that ticked? ===== It is the tale, not he who tells it." Lol, well, yeah, but you're behind the times, the timers are all digital now, c'mon! "Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life. Quote Link to comment
+spyderman Posted July 15, 2003 Author Share Posted July 15, 2003 Well SuperAlpha I guess they could also buy stickers,would that make it right. Quote Link to comment
+Huntnlady Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 quote: March 31 by IndyJinx (2 found)Our first find! The US forest service was conducting controlled burns in the area and had burned the cache. Amazingly, only the bags were melted, all contents survived. It looks like the paint on the End of the Road cache burned off. It probably was labeled originally. ______________________________ How do they get a deer to cross at that yellow road sign? http://www.geocities.com/cacheinon Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 The bottom line is this is an occupational hazard. People don't take chances nor should they. It does help to mark the container but they will still blow up caches they are not sure about. This includes see through tupperware. Quote Link to comment
+Team Shibby Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I visited a cache recently that was labeled very well. It said: "Please respect this game and its players by NOT vandalizing this cache." It also had the web address clearly listed. With information such as this printed clearly on the outside of the container, I cannot see why anyone would blow it up. A simple phone call to headquarters for more information on this so called "game" could have prevented the need for explosives. Kar Quote Link to comment
+Wadcutter Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Wouldn't be a problem if everyone wrote on all geo-containers "No bomb inside, I swear". That ought to clear everything. Quote Link to comment
+Breaktrack Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Wadcutter:Wouldn't be a problem if everyone wrote on all geo-containers "No bomb inside, I swear". That ought to clear everything. LOL! There, ya see? I knew there had to be a simple solution... We just needed an SP to come up with it! Good one Wadcutter...lol. "Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life. Quote Link to comment
+Wadcutter Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Obviously you must have been asleep that day at EOD school when they explained all that. If you find something with "no bomb inside" written on it you could go home. Bombers wouldn't lie. Quote Link to comment
+honeychile Posted August 2, 2003 Share Posted August 2, 2003 Whenever I go to the post office to drop off my buttons, the clerk always asks if there is anything hazardous inside the package, to which I always respond, "no nuclear weapons inside . . . today." I've always wondered what would happen if someone responded -- "Ya got me!" to that question. Kidding aside, though, we live in such dark times that the line between reasonable caution and paranoia is shrinking. Nothing in the geocaching.com guidelines requires anyone to buy the official label, of course. But clear labeling might stave off future misunderstandings. Spyderman pointed out that one of my own caches here in Winston-Salem isn't labeled very clearly and I'll make it a point when I do cache maintenance to see that all mine get a clear, unmistakable label. Geocaching is barely tolerated in North Carolina State Parks ($25 fee for 90 day placement), but they require a clear container. Much as I like ammo cans, I think I'll follow suit if I ever hide one in a national forest since they seem to be taking a similar strict stance. Quote Link to comment
adampierson Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 I don't believe it is necessary to have an official label, but simply marking the outside of your container should suffice - unless of course it is a microcache. I've come across one container that could easily be mistaken for trash if it were not for its weight. ---- Chivalry: A couple of medieval songwriters come up with the idea of chivalry one rainy day... and you embrace it as a lifestyle. You live and die by a code of honor that was trendy when you were a kid. Quote Link to comment
+McCaughan Family Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by adampierson:I don't believe it is necessary to have an official label, ... I agree that its not necessary but is sure make a BIG difference. The cost is negligible. And there are 2 different providers of the stickers out there. Doug of McCaughan Family Geocaching Families of East TN Quote Link to comment
+Team GeoCan Posted August 10, 2003 Share Posted August 10, 2003 quote:Originally posted by The Falcon:How many caches have you been to that ticked? Do you really think a booby trap TICKS? Look up the Unabomber on the FBI site they PUBLISHED his Bomb Designs. IF you want a specific person, at a specified placce and time, THEN a timing device mighr work for you, but rlrctric or Pressure ot Mercury switches are better for the unwary victim's demise. EVERY unattended package is suspect. Trash-out, EVERYtime ~~ Geo-cach-er, n. generally a highy technically competent person with lots of free time. (see also- "Unemployed", Computer administrator, aircraft technician- defense worker- dot-com executive- systems administrator, et.al) Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted August 16, 2003 Share Posted August 16, 2003 I agree that all caches should be labeled. I make sure all my geocaches have this website and my e-mail address displayed on the outside. And if it's an ammo box, at the very least the military markings should be painted over. I've found many an ammo box with the markings on it. What do you expect some muggle to think if they encounter it. Which is another issue. Hide them better! There should be no reason that an uninterested party should stumble on your cache. I've found caches sitting behind a log next to a trail, covered with a few sticks. You have to figure that someone will venture off trail to sit on the log or take a squirt and find it sooner or later. "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry Quote Link to comment
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