Placing caches

[ROADKILL LM72]

After spending around £40 on materials and walking 17 hours covering 23 miles to place caches all over the countryside all of my 9 caches have been refused. I'm not one for driving my car to a side road, getting out and putting a cache in the tree next to the footpath (that's lazy caching to me) as I like to make people work to find them.

 

It says I need to get permission for all 9 I placed and provide evidence of this. I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

No wonder there is not as many new caches to find with so many restrcitions and red tape. It's not as though I've gone on private property or something. It just puts people of hiding and opting to search only. I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all. No chance of that! I'd maintain them one at a time when needed but I aint walking to retrieve all those. I've even put money inside some of them for the kids.

 

People allow dogs to defecate all over the place, there is rubbish everywhere, cars in the woods yet I can't place a tiny plastic tube behind a stick?

Oh and another thing. Why oh why do people place caches right next to roads where we feel watched and awkward about rummaging around finding them? I mean take for example tonight, I walked 2.7 miles to a cache to find it near a road and houses, the trees were totally littered with discarded alcoholic bottles (were talking dozens here and some smashed) and used condoms with packaging lying around (disgusting and your choice of cache placement is pathetic). This forced me to abandon the search and walk the 2.7 miles back home yet I cant place one in the middle of no where??? All mine are a minumin of a mile from any footpath. What's the point in treasure hunting if all people are going to do is drive to a tree, get out their car, put a cache in a tree, log it and drive off? Not exactly challenging is it?

 

I hate red tape and got into this hobby thinking it would be good for the family but as single dad, I just haven't got the energy or time to chase permissions so I'm quitting.

 

Good look with your rules and regs. I think I'm just going to join a reg walking club.

[ROADKILL LM72]

After spending around £40 on materials and walking 17 hours covering 23 miles to place caches all over the countryside all of my 9 caches have been refused. I'm not one for driving my car to a side road, getting out and putting a cache in the tree next to the footpath (that's lazy caching to me) as I like to make people work to find them.

 

It says I need to get permission for all 9 I placed and provide evidence of this. I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

No wonder there is not as many new caches to find with so many restrcitions and red tape. It's not as though I've gone on private property or something. It just puts people of hiding and opting to search only. I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all. No chance of that! I'd maintain them one at a time when needed but I aint walking to retrieve all those. I've even put money inside some of them for the kids.

 

People allow dogs to defecate all over the place, there is rubbish everywhere, cars in the woods yet I can't place a tiny plastic tube behind a stick?

Oh and another thing. Why oh why do people place caches right next to roads where we feel watched and awkward about rummaging around finding them? I mean take for example tonight, I walked 2.7 miles to a cache to find it near a road and houses, the trees were totally littered with discarded alcoholic bottles (were talking dozens here and some smashed) and used condoms with packaging lying around (disgusting and your choice of cache placement is pathetic). This forced me to abandon the search and walk the 2.7 miles back home yet I cant place one in the middle of no where??? All mine are a minumin of a mile from any footpath. What's the point in treasure hunting if all people are going to do is drive to a tree, get out their car, put a cache in a tree, log it and drive off? Not exactly challenging is it?

 

I hate red tape and got into this hobby thinking it would be good for the family but as single dad, I just haven't got the energy or time to chase permissions so I'm quitting.

 

Good look with your rules and regs. I think I'm just going to join a reg walking club.

[+stijnhommes]

Why did you start hiding in the first place if you don't like the rules? They were clear from the start.

 

If you don't like hunting down council workers, hide on private land instead. The owner is easier to talk to and more importantly, easily tracked down.

 

If you've got trouble hunting down the right person, try sharing the general location of your caches, perhaps another cacher already knows which people to contact and they might be willing to help you out.

[+Sapience Trek]

It says I need to get permission for all 9 I placed and provide evidence of this. I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

Please remember that the local land policies are not made by Groundspeak or the volunteers that review caches. Your government, for better or for worse, has decided that that there should be certain regulations for hiding caches on the land they manage.

[+StarBrand]

It says I need to get permission for all 9 I placed and provide evidence of this. I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

Please remember that the local land policies are not made by Groundspeak or the volunteers that review caches. Your government, for better or for worse, has decided that that there should be certain regulations for hiding caches on the land they manage.

Bingo.

 

I see more and more rules and regulations being added to public lands all the time. Almost all of them are clear and reasonable.

[+StarBrand]

Having this in a single topic would likely be far less confusing.

 

See your other thread: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=300179

[+Harry Dolphin]

The red tape is brought to you by your local government. Take it up with them. If the park requires special permission, it is your repsonsibility to get that permission. Groundspeak adheres to local requirements. If the park requires permission, Groundspeak wants to know about that permission. This is called good business practice.

[ROADKILL LM72]

Having this in a single topic would likely be far less confusing.

 

See your other thread: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=300179

 

For who Mr red tape?

[+Bear and Ragged]

And you're leaving 'Rubbish' out in the countryside...

Fine publicity for Geocaching, and others who may want to place caches and bother to find the right person to ask -And be told 'No' because we found a lot of rubbish previously left by a Geocacher.

[+T.D.M.22]

I'm gonna say IBTL, as there is already a topic on this. and this one is in "How do I?" and it's not a question.

[knowschad]

Having this in a single topic would likely be far less confusing.

 

See your other thread: http://forums.Ground...howtopic=300179

 

For who Mr red tape?

 

While I can empathize with a lot of what you say, the attitude that you display does not make me want to show you that empathy, to be brutally honest. You are angry at the wrong people. Groundspeak did not make those rules. They are simply enforcing rules that were put in place by governing agencies, often because geocachers did cause problems by not seeking permission first. It is also up to you, as hider, to read and understand the guidelines and local policies before placing a cache. You failed to do that, and now you are angry with Groundspeak because of your failure. Now please go back and pick up the caches that you say you are going to leave behind. If you had enough time and energy to place them, you have enough time and energy to remove them.

[+J the Goat]

You've found 5 geocaches. A grand total of 5. Those 5 caches have brought you to the conclussion that all geocaches are roadside grabs huh? Maybe you should try to search for a few more caches that are out of the way in areas that you would like to go hunt for them. There are plenty out there, believe me.

 

Since you've decided that you're quitting and not bothering to pick up the 9 caches that you placed, you've now become part of the problem that you rant and rave about in your original post. By all means, if this hobby isn't for you then you should find something else to do. Pick up your garbage though, don't leave it there out of spite for the rules that were clearly laid out when you placed the caches that you just didn't bother to read.

[+The A-Team]

I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all.

If you aren't going to retrieve them, could you at least post the coordinates for them on here so someone can go out and acquire themselves some cache containers that they can hide elsewhere? Or, they could leave the containers right where they are and just get the required permission.

Either or...

[AZcachemeister]

I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

 

Bummer.

Sounds to me as if the hard work has already been done, and that you actually might have placed some really good caches.

 

Perhaps it would be a less daunting task to get the permission(s) for just one of the caches at a time, and as your time permits.

If you try to work WITH the reviewer, I'd bet things would go much smoother than you imagine.

S/he probably already knows the correct people to get the permissions from.

 

If you take it slow, I'll suspect things will progress faster than you think...and you will have your top quality non P&G hides to your credit.

 

That being said, cache ownership is not necessarily for everyone, and your opening tirade (or maybe it was a petulant frenzy) makes me think you might not be cut out for it.

[+The A-Team]

That being said, cache ownership is not necessarily for everyone, and your opening tirade (or maybe it was a petulant frenzy) makes me think you might not be cut out for it.

They didn't read the part in the guidelines about permission, so they likely didn't read the part about ownership and maintenance either.

"What, I have to fix it when it has a problem?!"

[+briansnat]

Not appropriate for a "How do I" forum

[+briansnat]

Not a getting started issue. Moving to the general forum.

[+Markwell]

Moving to Geocaching general forum

[Keystone]

Joining the chorus of moderators, now that the two threads have been moved to the proper forum, I am merging them together.

[knowschad]

My mother always told me that moderation was the key. I don't think I've ever seen so much moderation on one thread!

[+Moose Mob]

My mother always told me that moderation was the key. I don't think I've ever seen so much moderation on one thread!

Maybe we should moderate the wise cracks?

[+Crow-T-Robot]

I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all.

 

And when a problem arose with one/some/all of the caches (had they gotten published), would the answer have been

I def am not walking for 17 hours to fix them all. ?

Cache ownership goes far beyond just placing a cache.

[+The Blorenges]

...It says I need to get permission for all 9 I placed and provide evidence of this. I'm sorry but I just have not got the time or energy to chase council workers for hours on the phone by people who will keep telling me I need another number to call.

 

It sounds like placing caches is just not suitable for your temperament. That's OK, nobody has to place caches. There are plenty of cachers in the UK who are inclined to do this sort of preparation when placing their caches.

 

 

No wonder there is not as many new caches to find with so many restrcitions and red tape.

 

There are dozens of new caches published every week in the UK, more than enough for most people. (Some would even say too many!)

 

It's not as though I've gone on private property or something.

 

Within UK all land is private, in the sense that it all belongs to someone. Some of these someones allow the general public access to the land for recreation but that doesn't entitle cachers to leave caches on the land if the owner says "no" or requires some specific conditions to be met before placement.

 

It just puts people of hiding and opting to search only.

 

Yes. It puts off the people who don't have the stamina/commitment to do what's required to keep this hobby flourishing without causing annoyance to the landowners on whose property we play our game.

 

 

I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all.

 

Well, that's a pity. A case of throwing your toys out of your pram and then walking away, leaving the mess for someone else.

 

People allow dogs to defecate all over the place, there is rubbish everywhere, cars in the woods...

 

Yes. In some areas it's disgusting, isn't it? It's not allowed but some people just don't follow the rules/requirements and leave their mess for others to clear up.

 

...yet I can't place a tiny plastic tube behind a stick?

 

Sure you can, as long as it's OK with the land owner or manager. Just ask first - That's the polite thing to do.

 

Oh and another thing. Why oh why do people place caches right next to roads where we feel watched and awkward about rummaging around finding them? I mean take for example tonight, I walked 2.7 miles to a cache to find it near a road and houses, the trees were totally littered with discarded alcoholic bottles (were talking dozens here and some smashed) and used condoms with packaging lying around (disgusting and your choice of cache placement is pathetic). This forced me to abandon the search and walk the 2.7 miles back home yet I cant place one in the middle of no where??? All mine are a minumin of a mile from any footpath. What's the point in treasure hunting if all people are going to do is drive to a tree, get out their car, put a cache in a tree, log it and drive off? Not exactly challenging is it?

 

There are caches for all sorts of different requirements: Some people are not able to walk 2.7 miles, some can't walk 200 yards. Others will ignore all those roadside cache and dashes and choose to find only caches in scenic locations. You have to be selective, using local maps and common sense to find the sort of caches you personally like to do.

 

I hate red tape and got into this hobby thinking it would be good for the family but as single dad, I just haven't got the energy or time to chase permissions so I'm quitting.

 

Good look with your rules and regs. I think I'm just going to join a reg walking club.

 

OK. I'm sorry that you've decided that this hobby is not for you. There's nothing to stop you finding caches without contributing by hiding them. There are other ways that geocachers contribute to their caching community apart from just hiding more caches.

 

Maybe you'll reconsider at some point and hopefully you'll go and collect those caches you've left strewn about the countryside.

 

Good luck with the walking club.

 

 

MrsB

[+hzoi]

People allow dogs to defecate all over the place

 

That's called littering. That is a crime.

 

there is rubbish everywhere

 

Also called littering. Also a crime.

 

cars in the woods

 

Still littering. Still a crime.

 

a tiny plastic tube behind a stick

 

That's a geocache, which we all want to be considered completely different from dog feces, rubbish, and abandoned cars. We don't want geocaches to be considered litter, so we make sure we place them either with permission, or in places where we don't need permission.

 

I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all. No chance of that!

 

That's called littering. That is a crime.

[+stijnhommes]

I def am not walking for 17 hours to retrieve them all.

If you aren't going to retrieve them, could you at least post the coordinates for them on here so someone can go out and acquire themselves some cache containers that they can hide elsewhere? Or, they could leave the containers right where they are and just get the required permission.

Either or...

If the reviewer can't help turn this around, perhaps they can provide the coordinates so someone can go out to retrieve them.

[+littlegemsy]

Where in the UK are you hiding them that you need the special permission? I can only assume you're hiding them on some sort of park land as I don't think most "general" countryside requires permission.

 

In such places I believe it's often considered best to hide on or near footpaths to prevent damage to the area when people are retrieving... and if those areas have certain restrictions, yes you need permission.

 

I'm sure somebody near you will happily go and get the caches though.

 

Oh by the way - if you're not happy doing the walk due to this, what if it was because a geocacher inadvertently damaged a load (ie didn't clip lids shut so you got soggy lots) and you had to go and replace, or if a muggle destroyed some or other such circumstances requiring the walk?

[+Sol seaker]

Having this in a single topic would likely be far less confusing.

 

See your other thread: http://forums.Ground...howtopic=300179

 

For who Mr red tape?

 

While I can empathize with a lot of what you say, the attitude that you display does not make me want to show you that empathy, to be brutally honest. You are angry at the wrong people. Groundspeak did not make those rules. They are simply enforcing rules that were put in place by governing agencies, often because geocachers did cause problems by not seeking permission first. It is also up to you, as hider, to read and understand the guidelines and local policies before placing a cache. You failed to do that, and now you are angry with Groundspeak because of your failure. Now please go back and pick up the caches that you say you are going to leave behind. If you had enough time and energy to place them, you have enough time and energy to remove them.

 

Great response. I'd give it a 9.8

 

as far as the geocide on this thread, meh, about a 3.2

A lot of misplaced anger.

Have fun with your walking club.

It doesn't look like you would have maintained the caches anyway. If following the rules to place them was too much trouble, you can't convince me you would have taken the trouble to maintain them. Cache owning is not for everyone.

It usually good to find more caches to see what you're up against in maintenance and many other things before you attempt to hide.

 

You're welcome to still find them, but it really looks like hiding is not in your best interest.