Be carefull how you log your cache finds!

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Here is the same cache log for all caches found that day and only complained about by the owner of the GC2238G cache.

 

December 20 by TEAM DESERT EAGLE (5001 found)

After seeing a promo for the Android Phone at the big "V" I decided to sign up to see what all the hype was about. Being assured that within 30 days if not satisfied I could return the equipment and cancel the service I decided to give it a try. Now I have cached with the iPhone and the iPhone does it all from the time a new cache is published to the time of signing the logbook there is no other equipment needed. This morning two caches nearby were published and the Android phone gave me the same info that I always get on the iPhone, just that it came in two hours after the caches were published and the cache page took forever to load. I decided to go out anyways and see what I could do by just using the phone, needless to say the OS on the Android is slow and cumbersome and there is no way to find a cache without a stand alone GPS unit. All said and done I did find the cache but needed to dust off my Garmin 60csx for the find.

I have since returned the Android p.o.s.and will continue with the far superior iPhone with a faster processor, and its apps for finding geocaches.

Thanks for placing this cache, it was a good cache to try with the new Android equipment.

TEAM DESERT EAGLE - trying to cache Droid Style.

FTF FTF FTF FTF (Fourth to find)

 

[view/edit logs/images] [upload an image for this log]

 

 

Here is the request to edit the log.

 

Dear Scott,

 

This email is in regards to your log on the cache page for GC2238G. Simply, stop arguing with this cache owner.

Do not post argumentative and rambling logs on this cache owner's cache pages, and do not contact this cache owner again.

Please edit the exiting log, and in future restrict this type of commentary to the forums, as cache pages are not for commentary. To that point, a similar log was posted on GC2248D. Please edit both logs as soon as possible.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Sandy

-----------------------------------------------

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

www.geocaching.com

www.Waymarking.com

www.Wherigo.com

 

Ticket Details

===================

Ticket ID: GKD-650806

Department: Cache Appeals

Priority: Medium

Status: Open

 

 

What I find strange is that I never contacted this cache owner, argued with the cache owner,and have no intentions to contact them. I also find it strange that Groundspeak calls this log argumentative.

[+StarBrand]

Cache logs are not an appropriate place to air your personal feelings about anything you have purchased and found unsatisfactory.

 

Mentioning that you attempted to use your new phone but had to resort t a backup sounds ok to me but editorializing the find log in the manner you did - sounds like a paid endorsement or ad and has little or nothing to do with that particular cache. Copying it to multiple caches just re-inforces that notion.

 

Leave some comment about the cache condition or the weather or your friends or the journey there would have been more appropriate.

[Max Cacher]

may have been because of the commercial for iPhone, but who knows,

 

Max

[+BlueDeuce]

So did you talk to gc.com/Sandy about this?

 

And what is the deal with the product review?

[+GeoGeeBee]

No one would be allowed to publish a cache that's an ad for a commercial product -- at least, not without paying Groundspeak for the right to do so. If commercialism is not allowed in a cache description, why should it be allowed in a log?

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Why is it acceptable for other cachers to sign their log at the end every time that they find a cache with the brand and model of the GPSr or multiple GPSr that they own and use to find caches.

[+Renegade Knight]

...What I find strange is that I never contacted this cache owner, argued with the cache owner,and have no intentions to contact them. I also find it strange that Groundspeak calls this log argumentative.

 

1) The log is fine. It actually relates to the cache even if the focus is how you found it with an Android phone.

2) There is something missing between your log and the Groundspeak response. If you never contacted the owner the owner contacted Groundspeak anyway with a story that sounds like a nice argument happned, or at least was reported to have happened.

 

Before final judgment I'd want info on all sides, but if it's as you say I've heard of a lot of folks "emblishing their story" to get the result they want since they don't have enough to go on without it.

[+Chrysalides]

Why is it acceptable for other cachers to sign their log at the end every time that they find a cache with the brand and model of the GPSr or multiple GPSr that they own and use to find caches.

Try logging with "I found this with my p.o.s. <insert device name here> <insert rant about how it is a p.o.s. here>" and see how long before you attract the attention of Groundspeak again.

 

Other than that... StarBrand said all I have to say above, but better, so I won't repeat it.

[+briansnat]

Why do I expect that we aren't getting the whole story. Sandy referred to "argumentive" logs and asked you to stop arguing with the cache owner. Seeing as there was nothing argumentive in your log, what possibly could have triggered that? Hmmmm.

[+Chrysalides]

Maybe it is time for a "rogue lackey" thread?

 

(I kid! I kid!)

[+Harry Dolphin]

Yeah. That was a pretty boring log for one cache, much less five! Maybe CO works for Droid???

Certainly nice of you to mention how much you liked the caches!

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Here is the same cache log for all caches found that day and only complained about by the owner of the GC2238G cache.

 

Dear Scott,

 

This email is in regards to your log on the cache page for GC2238G. Simply, stop arguing with this cache owner.

Do not post argumentative and rambling logs

 

Still not sure how the log is an argument??

 

Also the only contact ever between myself and the cache owner is when they emailed me with threats to delete logs of mine.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Why do I expect that we aren't getting the whole story. Sandy referred to "argumentive" logs and asked you to stop arguing with the cache owner. Seeing as there was nothing argumentive in your log, what possibly could have triggered that? Hmmmm.

That was my thought too. And why bring it to the forums? If you want to know why Sandy wrote that, ask Sandy!

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

I invite anyone to show any other contact made between myself and the cache owner in regards to this cache or cache log. There was no contact I didnt know they had a problem with the log I simply got the email from Groundspeak.

[+Renegade Knight]

Dear Scott,

 

This email is in regards to your log on the cache page for GC2238G. Simply, stop arguing with this cache owner.

Do not post argumentative and rambling logs on this cache owner's cache pages, and do not contact this cache owner again.

Please edit the exiting log, and in future restrict this type of commentary to the forums, as cache pages are not for commentary. To that point, a similar log was posted on GC2248D. Please edit both logs as soon as possible.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Sandy

Looking at this it's interesting. Perhaps it's time for the official Groundspeak guide to acceptable logs. My log always ramble, includ commentary about life, nature, the dried crud on a ketsup bottle or whatever I'm thinking about when I log. I may not even mention the cache at all. Nor do I care to. Otherwise I'm going to be pretty crotchety.

 

"Your stupid cache is on a stupid street corner where you can't hide your stupid butt to compy with your stupid ALR of "be discrete" the stupid container is broken, the stupid log is wet, and I'm feeling like slapping you stupid stilly for your stupid boring log on my own stupid cache you so stupidly stole and stuck on this stupid signal pole".

 

I would not be inclined to edit anything or to invite them to edit the log to their own satification but to take credit for the edit by including theri tag line "edited by Sandy for a 1st degree argumentative rambling violation". But then I do'nt have a lot of patience for people getting in the way of my fun.

 

Of course had the oner asked me to edit my log I would have, however they get the wry crotchety cache related version instead. At least one owner like my discussion about the litter in the area instead of my story about a local hero being impeached form the high school JA presidency.

 

Edit: That stupid bit reads better in Carmens rant voice.

Edited December 21, 2009 by Renegade Knight

[+Stunod]

Maybe they got mad and threw away all the emails, so we can never have proof.

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Why do I expect that we aren't getting the whole story. Sandy referred to "argumentive" logs and asked you to stop arguing with the cache owner. Seeing as there was nothing argumentive in your log, what possibly could have triggered that? Hmmmm.

That was my thought too. And why bring it to the forums? If you want to know why Sandy wrote that, ask Sandy!

 

I have sent two email replys with multiple questions. My emails seem to be ignored. No responce.

 

Thats also the question that I asked??

 

Did the cache owner make up a good story about "contact" or "arguing" to Groundspeak??

 

Thats what confuses me.

 

Sandy told me in the email to use the forums, thats what I am doing here.

[+BlueDeuce]

Why is it acceptable for other cachers to sign their log at the end every time that they find a cache with the brand and model of the GPSr or multiple GPSr that they own and use to find caches.

 

If people start logging caches with the terms of service of their equipment...ah...I'm...I'm gonna start taking names and swinging frozen dead fish. I am not kidding.

[+Chrysalides]

This looks like it's going to get pretty long without ever having any resolution before being locked by a mod. Whose turn is it to bring the popcorn?

[+Chrysalides]

If people start logging caches with the terms of service of their equipment...ah...I'm...I'm gonna start taking names and swinging frozen dead fish. I am not kidding.

I thought the tool of choice is a rotting lemming carcass?

[+BlueDeuce]

If people start logging caches with the terms of service of their equipment...ah...I'm...I'm gonna start taking names and swinging frozen dead fish. I am not kidding.

I thought the tool of choice is a rotting lemming carcass?

 

Ah, but why are people allowed to throw rotting lemming carcasses? Obviously the best choice for frozen fish would be Gorton's - Trusted since 1849!

[+edscott]

Rotting lemmings are for spring and summer use, frozen fish are the choice in winter.

[+bittsen]

I have sent two email replys with multiple questions. My emails seem to be ignored. No responce.

 

Sandy can sometimes take a day or more to respond to an Email, based on my own experiences.

[jholly]

Here is the popcorn ....

 

I like eating it with this ...

 

 

But you better hurry before the thread does this ...

 

[+Indotguy]

Here is the same cache log for all caches found that day and only complained about by the owner of the GC2238G cache.

 

December 20 by TEAM DESERT EAGLE (5001 found)

After seeing a promo for the Android Phone at the big "V" I decided to sign up to see what all the hype was about. Being assured that within 30 days if not satisfied I could return the equipment and cancel the service I decided to give it a try. Now I have cached with the iPhone and the iPhone does it all from the time a new cache is published to the time of signing the logbook there is no other equipment needed. This morning two caches nearby were published and the Android phone gave me the same info that I always get on the iPhone, just that it came in two hours after the caches were published and the cache page took forever to load. I decided to go out anyways and see what I could do by just using the phone, needless to say the OS on the Android is slow and cumbersome and there is no way to find a cache without a stand alone GPS unit. All said and done I did find the cache but needed to dust off my Garmin 60csx for the find.

I have since returned the Android p.o.s.and will continue with the far superior iPhone with a faster processor, and its apps for finding geocaches.

Thanks for placing this cache, it was a good cache to try with the new Android equipment.

TEAM DESERT EAGLE - trying to cache Droid Style.

FTF FTF FTF FTF (Fourth to find)

 

[view/edit logs/images] [upload an image for this log]

 

 

Here is the request to edit the log.

 

Dear Scott,

 

This email is in regards to your log on the cache page for GC2238G. Simply, stop arguing with this cache owner.

Do not post argumentative and rambling logs on this cache owner's cache pages, and do not contact this cache owner again.

Please edit the exiting log, and in future restrict this type of commentary to the forums, as cache pages are not for commentary. To that point, a similar log was posted on GC2248D. Please edit both logs as soon as possible.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Sandy

-----------------------------------------------

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

www.geocaching.com

www.Waymarking.com

www.Wherigo.com

 

Ticket Details

===================

Ticket ID: GKD-650806

Department: Cache Appeals

Priority: Medium

Status: Open

 

 

What I find strange is that I never contacted this cache owner, argued with the cache owner,and have no intentions to contact them. I also find it strange that Groundspeak calls this log argumentative.

 

Based on the wording of the Appeals msg, it appears 'Sandy' may have never actually read the cache log in question and possibly prepared her response based on what was related in the complaint. This being said, the log in question is not, in my definition, an appropriate entry. The offended cache owner should have contacted the finder initially and requested a modification of the log entry before taking other action.

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

My question still is: where am I arguing with the cache owner??

Look at their cache logs, where do they say that they use the Android phone???

My argument is with the Verizon people who told me that the Android phone would do everything that the iPhone would and in fact it was lacking in every way.

I thought I would be blown away by this "great" phone that they advertise but instead I was left frustrated and disapointed.

[jholly]

Here is the same cache log for all caches found that day and only complained about by the owner of the GC2238G cache.

 

December 20 by TEAM DESERT EAGLE (5001 found)

After seeing a promo for the Android Phone at the big "V" I decided to sign up to see what all the hype was about. Being assured that within 30 days if not satisfied I could return the equipment and cancel the service I decided to give it a try. Now I have cached with the iPhone and the iPhone does it all from the time a new cache is published to the time of signing the logbook there is no other equipment needed. This morning two caches nearby were published and the Android phone gave me the same info that I always get on the iPhone, just that it came in two hours after the caches were published and the cache page took forever to load. I decided to go out anyways and see what I could do by just using the phone, needless to say the OS on the Android is slow and cumbersome and there is no way to find a cache without a stand alone GPS unit. All said and done I did find the cache but needed to dust off my Garmin 60csx for the find.

I have since returned the Android p.o.s.and will continue with the far superior iPhone with a faster processor, and its apps for finding geocaches.

Thanks for placing this cache, it was a good cache to try with the new Android equipment.

TEAM DESERT EAGLE - trying to cache Droid Style.

FTF FTF FTF FTF (Fourth to find)

 

[view/edit logs/images] [upload an image for this log]

 

 

Here is the request to edit the log.

 

Dear Scott,

 

This email is in regards to your log on the cache page for GC2238G. Simply, stop arguing with this cache owner.

Do not post argumentative and rambling logs on this cache owner's cache pages, and do not contact this cache owner again.

Please edit the exiting log, and in future restrict this type of commentary to the forums, as cache pages are not for commentary. To that point, a similar log was posted on GC2248D. Please edit both logs as soon as possible.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Sandy

-----------------------------------------------

Groundspeak - The Language of Location

www.geocaching.com

www.Waymarking.com

www.Wherigo.com

 

Ticket Details

===================

Ticket ID: GKD-650806

Department: Cache Appeals

Priority: Medium

Status: Open

 

 

What I find strange is that I never contacted this cache owner, argued with the cache owner,and have no intentions to contact them. I also find it strange that Groundspeak calls this log argumentative.

 

Based on the wording of the Appeals msg, it appears 'Sandy' may have never actually read the cache log in question and possibly prepared her response based on what was related in the complaint. This being said, the log in question is not, in my definition, an appropriate entry. The offended cache owner should have contacted the finder initially and requested a modification of the log entry before taking other action.

 

If anything Sandy's email strongly hints that we are no where near page 4.

 

Jim

[+Renegade Knight]

No one would be allowed to publish a cache that's an ad for a commercial product -- at least, not without paying Groundspeak for the right to do so. If commercialism is not allowed in a cache description, why should it be allowed in a log?

 

Well now if we submitted our logs for listing like we do a cache and have a volunteer log reviewer approve it for publishing the fun factor would fall through the floor and we would simply quit logging. That in turn would mean cache owners get nothing for their trouble of placing a cache and going through the proccess which means less caches and it would begin the slow downward spiral of this fun activity.

 

So if a log meets over the air broadcast standards I don't especially care what they say in them. Right not that log at least tells me that the Android solution doesn't take advantage of the GPS built into the Droid yet.

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Here is the popcorn ....

 

I like eating it with this ...

 

 

But you better hurry before the thread does this ...

 

I also enjoy popcorn and women.

[+9Key]

Seems like you could have avoided the entire issue by just writing a log about each cache that you visited instead of cut and paste.

 

Here's some examples of things your can write in a log if you can't think of anything.

[+Chrysalides]

The offended cache owner should have contacted the finder initially and requested a modification of the log entry before taking other action.

 

It appears the cache owner did.

 

Also the only contact ever between myself and the cache owner is when they emailed me with threats to delete logs of mine.

 

Or maybe they didn't.

 

I invite anyone to show any other contact made between myself and the cache owner in regards to this cache or cache log. There was no contact I didnt know they had a problem with the log I simply got the email from Groundspeak.

 

Discrepancies like this causes others to speculate like briansnat did earlier.

[+BlueDeuce]

I think that you should have posted your cache hunt experience on the cache page and discussed your equipment issues here. You'll get far more helpful feedback in the GPS and Technology forum and interact a larger audience with problem equipment that you could ever reach on a cache page.

 

Edit: clarification

Edited December 21, 2009 by BlueDeuce

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

The offended cache owner should have contacted the finder initially and requested a modification of the log entry before taking other action.

 

It appears the cache owner did.

 

Also the only contact ever between myself and the cache owner is when they emailed me with threats to delete logs of mine.

 

Or maybe they didn't.

 

I invite anyone to show any other contact made between myself and the cache owner in regards to this cache or cache log. There was no contact I didnt know they had a problem with the log I simply got the email from Groundspeak.

 

Discrepancies like this causes others to speculate like briansnat did earlier.

These threats were on other caches of theirs that I had found not this cache. No contact was made on this cache by the cache owner.

[+bittsen]

I don't see anything wrong with the log.

 

What I see is there are missing exchanges between the cache owner and Team Desert Eagle that we are not privvy to. I suspect those missing exchanges would indicate the argument that Sandy is referring to. I could be wrong.

 

If the entire situation is based on ONE log entry then I feel there is much ado about nothing. I have written logs that were not much about the cache, discussed the weather, shared my experience, or whatever. In fact, there was something I read that emphasized that it was very acceptable to do such.

 

As I said. I see nothing wrong with the log as presented here. It was a mere sharing of the experience related to the find of this particular cache.

[+Renegade Knight]

I have sent two email replys with multiple questions. My emails seem to be ignored. No responce.

 

Sandy can sometimes take a day or more to respond to an Email, based on my own experiences.

 

I've never met Sandy in person or via email. I must not be doing something wrong.

[+Chrysalides]

I've never met Sandy in person or via email. I must not be doing something wrong.

I know.. I feel so left out all of a sudden.

[+StarBrand]

Ok - read totally in context - (aka - knowing that you and this cache owner have a "history" of email exchanges) - I see the point Sandy was making much more clearly.

[+Renegade Knight]

Seems like you could have avoided the entire issue by just writing a log about each cache that you visited instead of cut and paste.

 

Here's some examples of things your can write in a log if you can't think of anything.

 

Cut and paste is annoying. I'd rather have a fresh angle on the rant at each cache. "At this cache my POS Droid dropped signal" "At the other cache my POS Droid crashed and I had to reboot"

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Ok - read totally in context - (aka - knowing that you and this cache owner have a "history" of email exchanges) - I see the point Sandy was making much more clearly.

Yes but still in the past there was no arguing only the threats I received that my logs would be deleted, unless I did some editing of the logs.

[+Renegade Knight]

...

These threats were on other caches of theirs that I had found not this cache. No contact was made on this cache by the cache owner.

 

Good will is cumulative. You used all yours up on the other caches. It caught up to you on this one. Now it's up to you to decide to ignore this owner and avoid probelms, or to start the long road to earning back the respect you lost, that caused you to have this problem now.

[+Harry Dolphin]

As I said. I see nothing wrong with the log as presented here. It was a mere sharing of the experience related to the find of this particular cache.

 

Same log on five different caches??? (All of which have been edited with a rather snarky comment.)

[+StarBrand]

Ok - read totally in context - (aka - knowing that you and this cache owner have a "history" of email exchanges) - I see the point Sandy was making much more clearly.

Yes but still in the past there was no arguing only the threats I received that my logs would be deleted, unless I did some editing of the logs.

You saw threats - another (reading the same material) saw arguments. Perspective.

[Clan Riffster]

Patiently waiting for "The Rest Of The Story"...

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

...

These threats were on other caches of theirs that I had found not this cache. No contact was made on this cache by the cache owner.

 

Good will is cumulative. You used all yours up on the other caches. It caught up to you on this one. Now it's up to you to decide to ignore this owner and avoid probelms, or to start the long road to earning back the respect you lost, that caused you to have this problem now.

Take a look at my logs all 5000---They realy are the copy and paste logs that everyone seems to hate. However this cache owner seems to dislike these to a point of threats of deletion of the log unless edited.

Edited December 21, 2009 by TEAM DESERT EAGLE

[+Chrysalides]

Patiently waiting for "The Rest Of The Story"...

I hope you have lots of patience. Groundspeak's policy is probably the same as in the other thread, that they will not officially comment on this in the forums, while the rest of us speculate away and call each other liars. Meanwhile, please have some popcorn. I'm afraid we're a little low on beer by now.

[+bittsen]

As I said. I see nothing wrong with the log as presented here. It was a mere sharing of the experience related to the find of this particular cache.

 

Same log on five different caches??? (All of which have been edited with a rather snarky comment.)

 

Copy and paste logs? Could we fill ourselves with any more angst?

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Maybe they are just upset that I got FTF on the 5 caches published this morning. Three of these were their caches.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

I knew it! TFTC really IS the best log!

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

Whatever the case may be, with Groundspeak or the cache owner, I am going to continue caching with my kids and having fun. It's just strange that the other cache owners have not had these same problems.

[+TEAM DESERT EAGLE]

I knew it! TFTC really IS the best log!

Yup can't hardly go wrong with that one, unless a cache owner sends you an email saying " edit your log and give more detail or I will delete your log"