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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091022 [the old ones are prefixed with 091015] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 21st of October 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland, although there appears to be some routing errors in the raw data (hopefully the will be fixed shortly) for GB, but the map renders fine and may actually work fine in routing mode, as I don't drive I have no easy way of testing this feature.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets are still being offered for now, however I may discontinue those soon. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Great news. Just as a matter of interest, I know there was a way but how would I upload tracks (missing roads and greenlanes) to be included, can't seem to find a link on your site - I know that it's probably me not looking in the right place.

You just need to go here to participate; create an account, upload your tracks and to edit the maps.

 

http://www.openstreetmap.org

 

I've just made this clearer on my site too, thanks for the heads up.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091029 [the old ones are prefixed with 091022] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 28th of October 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland, although there appears to be some routing errors in the raw data (hopefully the will be fixed shortly) for GB, but the map renders fine and may actually work fine in routing mode, as I don't drive I have no easy way of testing this feature.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets are still being offered for now, however I may discontinue those soon. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091105 [the old ones are prefixed with 091029] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 4th of November 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland, although there appears to be some routing errors in the raw data (hopefully the will be fixed shortly) for GB, but the map renders fine and may actually work fine in routing mode, as I don't drive I have no easy way of testing this feature.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets are still being offered for now, however I may discontinue those soon. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091112 [the old ones are prefixed with 091105] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 11th of November 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland, although there appears to be some routing errors in the raw data (hopefully the will be fixed shortly) for GB, but the map renders fine and may actually work fine in routing mode, as I don't drive I have no easy way of testing this feature.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets are still being offered for now, however I may discontinue those soon. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Just as a by the way. I've noticed a couple of slight errors with some of the new roads down here and wondered how to have them changed (if it is possible to do that). The maps on the whole are absolutely brilliant and I can't really fault them there's just a couple of bits that are out at one end. PM if you think it would be simpler that way.

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Just as a by the way. I've noticed a couple of slight errors with some of the new roads down here and wondered how to have them changed (if it is possible to do that). The maps on the whole are absolutely brilliant and I can't really fault them there's just a couple of bits that are out at one end. PM if you think it would be simpler that way.

If you have the data that can be used to fix the error, then you can edit the map yourself on the OSM site, see this thread for more details: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=236044

 

Next time I compile them any changes made to the map data will be included.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091119 [the old ones are prefixed with 091112] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 18th of November 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland, although there appears to be some routing errors in the raw data (hopefully the will be fixed shortly) for GB, but the map renders fine and may actually work fine in routing mode, as I don't drive I have no easy way of testing this feature.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091126 [the old ones are prefixed with 091119] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 25th of November 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland. Please note I have used some updated tools to create and compile these new mapsets; they work fine for me on my Orgeon 200 and in MapSource, but please report any problems you encounter. I won't be producing any next week as I'm away on business.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another fortnight another update! None last week as I was in Denmark.

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091208 [the old ones are prefixed with 091126] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 7th of December 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland. Please note I have used some updated tools to create and compile these new mapsets; they work fine for me on my Orgeon 200 and in MapSource, but please report any problems you encounter.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

If anyone wants similar maps (without contours) for other parts of Europe or elsewhere, then please feel free to contact me to discuss your needs.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Thanks Martin, I have a question, from when someone adds say a new footpath to the opensource map, how long does it take before we see it on the gps/file?

Should be within 7-10 days, as long as it is is the raw OSM data it should be included in the next update when I compile it.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update!

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091215 [the old ones are prefixed with 091208] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 14th of December 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland. Please note I have used some updated tools to create and compile these new mapsets; they work fine for me on my Orgeon 200 and in MapSource, but please report any problems you encounter.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

If anyone wants similar maps (without contours) for other parts of Europe or elsewhere, then please feel free to contact me to discuss your needs.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update and an early present from Santa for you all...

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091222 [the old ones are prefixed with 091215] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 21st of December 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland. Please note I have used some updated tools to create and compile these new mapsets; they work fine for me on my Orgeon 200 and in MapSource, but please report any problems you encounter.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

If anyone wants similar maps (without contours) for other parts of Europe or elsewhere, then please feel free to contact me to discuss your needs.

 

Hope this helps?

 

I hope you all have a fantastic Christmas and a cacheful, happy & healthy 2010.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Thanks for the fantastic Christmas wish which was fulfilled by the receipt of a GPSmap 60CSx. I had taken the opportunity to create a micro SD card in advance of Santa's visit and that works fine, thanks so much for doing these. I am under the impression that I can connect the GPS to the computer and see it in 'My Computer' but I cant, I should be able to a separate drive shouldn't I?

 

I have installed the drivers from the CD I think, and I have read the device ID from Mapsource and sent some cache data from GSAK so there is a connection there. As I reckon you must be one of the cleverest guys on the planet I am asking here and there might just be another newbie with a similar problem.

 

With thanks

 

Factotem

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I am under the impression that I can connect the GPS to the computer and see it in 'My Computer' but I cant, I should be able to a separate drive shouldn't I?

Connect the 60CSx to your PC with a suitable USB cable and switch the 60CSx on. When the 'Acquiring Satellites' page shows, press the Menu button. 'Use With GPS Off' should be highlighted; if it isn't, then select it using the large rocker button and press the 'ENTR' button.

 

Using the 'PAGE' button, step through the display pages until the 'Main Menu' page is displayed. Select 'Setup' and press 'ENTR', then select 'Interface' and press 'ENTR'

 

Use the rocker button to highlight 'USB Mass Storage' at the bottom of the page and press 'ENTR'. Your PC should now recognise the 60CSx as a 'Removable Disk' with an associated drive letter. (On my PC, this is the letter 'H:' but it may be different on yours.)

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I am under the impression that I can connect the GPS to the computer and see it in 'My Computer' but I cant, I should be able to a separate drive shouldn't I?

Connect the 60CSx to your PC with a suitable USB cable and switch the 60CSx on. When the 'Acquiring Satellites' page shows, press the Menu button. 'Use With GPS Off' should be highlighted; if it isn't, then select it using the large rocker button and press the 'ENTR' button.

 

Thanks for the prompt advice - all OK once I had turned aquiring Satellites off. Don't recall seeing that mentioned anywhere & I would not have thought of it.

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Another week another update and the final mapset for 2009...

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 091229 [the old ones are prefixed with 091222] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 28th of December 2009.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland. Please note I have used some updated tools to create and compile these new mapsets; they work fine for me on my Orgeon 200 and in MapSource, but please report any problems you encounter.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

If anyone wants similar maps (without contours) for other parts of Europe or elsewhere, then please feel free to contact me to discuss your needs.

 

Hope this helps?

 

I hope you all have a cachefull, happy & healthy 2010.

 

A big thank you to all those that have helped me with this project during 2009. I still intend to try and produce these mapsets weekly during 2010, however I won't be able to do them if I'm out of the country on business.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Another week another update and the first mapset for 2010...

 

For all those interested:

 

I have just compiled the latest GB/Ireland map tiles with contours into new maps for the Garmin GPSrs.

 

The GB mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

England

Wales

Scotland

Isle of Man

Channel Islands

 

The Ireland mapsets I compile include the following areas:

 

Northern Ireland

Republic of Ireland

 

Both the full GB/Ireland mapsets come with contour data [contour data is from the Scottish Mountaineering Club] and are now routable.

 

The updated ones are prefixed with 100105 [the old ones are prefixed with 091229] and should be available on the following link as of now. These new ones include all changes made to the OSM mapping data up to the 4th of January 2010.

 

If you want to grab them then you can find them here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

As these are new, please report any problems directly to me, via my profile on Geocaching.com or via my Gmail account [talkytoasteruk@googlemail.com].

 

All the maps have been either been tested on a Garmin Oregon 200 or checked in GPSMapEdit on a Windows PC.

 

This update only includes newer routable versions with contours for GB/Ireland.

 

More details about the routing features can be found in the FAQ on my site.

 

The full UK mapsets I used to offer have been discontinued. The GB/Ireland routable versions complete with contours have effectively replaced them. This should allow me to update them weekly from now on.

 

The split mapsets have now been discontinued. If you use them or need them, then let me know and I'll see what I can do.

 

I now have workable versions of the GB & Ireland mapsets which are compatible with MapSource, and have also been tested in MapSource before release.

 

Details can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteru...ree-uk-maps-faq and the maps here: http://sites.google.com/site/talkytoasteruk/ukmaps

 

This should allow those that have Garmin GPSrs with limited memory to select small areas to upload to these devices complete with contour data.

 

If anyone wants similar maps (without contours) for other parts of Europe or elsewhere, then please feel free to contact me to discuss your needs.

 

Hope this helps?

 

I won't be able to compile new mapsets next week as I'm out of the country on business, unless the snow/cold weather causes my flight to be cancelled.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Hi,

 

I think I should warn cachers that the source data - Open Street Map - is simply not reliable as a guide to footpaths, bridleways and other Rights of Way. A great many contributors to OSM have simpy traced footpaths from old 1950s out-of-copyright OS maps and in many cases these paths don't exist or have been subject to significant diversion orders. In some cases, people have traced a local cut-through that they cycle or walk on, but it in no way means that there is a legal PROW.

 

Maybe one day, OSM will be of sufficient quality throughout Britain to be of use to ramblers, walkers and cachers, but at the moment you could easily be following an OSM "way" and find yourself accused of trespass by an angry landowner.

 

Qichina

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Hi,

 

I think I should warn cachers that the source data - Open Street Map - is simply not reliable as a guide to footpaths, bridleways and other Rights of Way. A great many contributors to OSM have simpy traced footpaths from old 1950s out-of-copyright OS maps and in many cases these paths don't exist or have been subject to significant diversion orders. In some cases, people have traced a local cut-through that they cycle or walk on, but it in no way means that there is a legal PROW.

Nobody claims it is perfect and for that matter not even the official OS maps are perfect, they are often out of date. I have used an up to date OS map to follow a footpath in the past only to get a serious talking to from the landowner informing me that my latest 2007 map (at that time in 2007) was wrong; the footpath had been moved some 10 years previously!

 

At least with OSM the changes to public ROW can be adjusted. I and many contributers to OSM are very scrupulous about ensuring our tracks are valid and are genuine ROW. I have never traced any ROW, all my tracks and edits of OSM data are taken from my GPSR whilst walking, hiking, cycling or geocaching.

 

Regards,

Martin

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Hi Martin,

 

Ordnance Survey rarely have mistakes - I have only found minor ones during many years of walking - but nevertheless they do show paths, bridleways as Rights of Way in a legal sense, not where someone recorded a rabbit trail in the countryside.

 

In contrast, Open Street Map can be edited by any idiot.

For example, I found a cycleway shown on OSM near Stonehenge. Some pratt had MTB'd across an open field with his GPS and decided to turn his trace into a legal cycleway which it was not. The problem is, if local mappers are not watching every square inch of map and immediately reverting it, then this sort of garbage remains undetected. GIGO - garbage in, garbage out. There are plenty of mappers who have no local knowledge of an area but feel entitled to trace in various features like paths from 50 year old maps.

Superficially it looks great to someone unfamiliar with the area - detailed, as if someone knows what they are doing.

 

The advantage of Ordnance Survey maps is that they give you the last known version of the Definitive Map - the master record of legal rights of way administered by county councils. OSM fails to deal with the problem of legality and "ways" can be a mixture of valid PROWs, invalid extinct PROWs, animal trails and paths along a field edge that have no validity in terms of the legal right of a walker to use.

 

In my local area, (Essex) I tried to correct as much as I could, while mapping the many missing footpaths, but in the end gave up as it was deluged by increasing numbers of contributors who were simply playing at mapping without any regard for accuracy, rather than looking to achieve something of the reliability and provenance of Ordnance Survey.

 

Cheers,

 

Qichina

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Ordnance Survey rarely have mistakes

 

All Ordnance Survey maps have mistakes; every single sheet is out of date by the time it's printed.

 

In contrast, Open Street Map can be edited by any idiot.

 

True. But on the other hand, no Ordnance Survey map can corrected by anyone, no matter how accurate or up-to-date their local knowledge. Equally, no experienced user of Open Source Mapping would ever claim it to be perfectly accurate, whereas many users of Ordnance Survey mapping assume just exactly that.

 

For example, I found a cycleway shown on OSM near Stonehenge. Some pratt had MTB'd across an open field with his GPS and decided to turn his trace into a legal cycleway which it was not.

 

So someone made a mistake? Fix it, if so inclined, and move on.

 

OSM fails to deal with the problem of legality and "ways" can be a mixture of valid PROWs, invalid extinct PROWs, animal trails and paths along a field edge that have no validity in terms of the legal right of a walker to use.

 

I suggest that the problem there is less to do with the mapping, and more to do with the pathetically forelock-tugging nature of access legislation in England.

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For example, I found a cycleway shown on OSM near Stonehenge. Some pratt had MTB'd across an open field with his GPS and decided to turn his trace into a legal cycleway which it was not.

So someone made a mistake? Fix it, if so inclined, and move on.

 

I did.

 

The problem is for every crowd-sourced invalid item you correct, another one of the 200,000 dabblers comes along and introduced 2 more bit of rubbish to correct. It's like painting the Forth Bridge.

:P

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The problem is for every crowd-sourced invalid item you correct, another one of the 200,000 dabblers comes along and introduced 2 more bit of rubbish to correct.

 

I can't say I've noticed any such problem in the time I've been adding to OSM. The accuracy of existing mapping can often be improved upon, but that's the nature of the game. I don't ever recall finding a downright error, wonky road classifications aside. Maybe there's a particularly enthusiastic mapping menace down your way. :P

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qichina, I would suggest that if you don't like OSM then don't use it. I for one think it's brilliant especially given that it's editable, zooms appropriately on your Garmin and is FREE! As agentmancuso says it can be updated and corrected. Granted an idiot can put duff data on it but for every idiot there's 100 dedicated mappers making corrections.

 

Thanks Martin (Talkytoaster) for the updates - keep 'em coming please :P

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qichina, I would suggest that if you don't like OSM then don't use it. I for one think it's brilliant especially given that it's editable, zooms appropriately on your Garmin and is FREE! As agentmancuso says it can be updated and corrected. Granted an idiot can put duff data on it but for every idiot there's 100 dedicated mappers making corrections.

 

I don't use it. I was actually trying to be helpful in pointing out to people that Open Street Map can't be relied on in some areas as it does not have a formal system of quality control that Ordnance Survey has. I don't think people should be under any illusions. There is no systematic revision of its data sets according to the Definitive Map. It is purely arbitrary depending on how willing or eagle-eyed local contributors are, and mapsets produced from them don't tell you if they have been updated or not. So users don't have clue what they are looking at is either recent or accurate.

So it might look very pretty on your Garmin, it doesn't mean it bears any relation to real PROWs.

 

It is simply not true that there are dedicated mappers correcting each bit of footpath data: the majority of mappers are mainly interested in cycleways and road/rail routes, very few get out and walk a GPS trace to correct the sloppy and haphazard mapping of rural footpaths. That is why the majority of footpaths are based on the NPE (New Popular Edition) of the 1950s Ordnance Survey maps, which might be ok for roads most of the time but is woefully unreliable for the purposes of planning a walking route in the countryside.

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I don't think people should be under any illusions.

 

I doubt very much that anyone is.

 

It is purely arbitrary depending on how willing or eagle-eyed local contributors are

 

Sure. Or 'Open Source' in other words.

 

That is why the majority of footpaths are based on the NPE (New Popular Edition) of the 1950s Ordnance Survey maps

 

That, frankly, is nonsense.

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It is simply not true that there are dedicated mappers correcting each bit of footpath data: the majority of mappers are mainly interested in cycleways and road/rail routes, very few get out and walk a GPS trace to correct the sloppy and haphazard mapping of rural footpaths. That is why the majority of footpaths are based on the NPE (New Popular Edition) of the 1950s Ordnance Survey maps, which might be ok for roads most of the time but is woefully unreliable for the purposes of planning a walking route in the countryside.

I'll state again: "I and many contributers to OSM are very scrupulous about ensuring our tracks are valid and are genuine public ROW. I have never traced any ROW, all my tracks and edits of OSM data are taken from my GPSR whilst walking, hiking, cycling or geocaching."

 

Furthermore as I also have, and use the OS Discovery maps for the South of England on my Garmin Oregon 200 (along with the OSM maps, for GB/Ireland, North America, Canada as well as most of the rest of Europe) I can confirm that the footpaths and other public ROW data that the 'official' OS maps contain is often less accurate than people are led to believe. In other words there are errors introduced into the maps, which I was reliably informed was to pinpoint people simply tracing the path from the OS data and pasting it elsewhere.

 

I'll take open source mapping anyday, because at least I can and do update the public ROWs that I tread. This benefits me and any one else that uses the maps that now contain the new or modified data for public ROWs. It ain't perfect, but then again, neither is anything.

 

Regards,

Martin

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It is simply not true that there are dedicated mappers correcting each bit of footpath data: the majority of mappers are mainly interested in cycleways and road/rail routes, very few get out and walk a GPS trace to correct the sloppy and haphazard mapping of rural footpaths. That is why the majority of footpaths are based on the NPE (New Popular Edition) of the 1950s Ordnance Survey maps, which might be ok for roads most of the time but is woefully unreliable for the purposes of planning a walking route in the countryside.

 

I have to admit that this is the case in some areas to the NW of London, there was one very 'over-enthusiastic' person who believed that New Popular Edition OS maps were more worthwhile than going and collecting the data himself as is recommended by the project. Needless to say, he's not gathered himself many friends within the project.

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I'll state again: "I and many contributers to OSM are very scrupulous about ensuring our tracks are valid and are genuine public ROW. I have never traced any ROW, all my tracks and edits of OSM data are taken from my GPSR whilst walking, hiking, cycling or geocaching."

The ROWs that you trace on the map may be scrupulously accurate but unfortunately some of the other geographic data/features aren't. The one and only time that I uploaded my track (recorded on a 60CSx) onto OSM it was a riverside walk along the Great Ouse a few miles north of Bedford. The public ROW followed the riverbank on the east side of the river, closest to the A6 trunk road. When uploaded onto OSM, the track was placed some 200 feet into a field on the west side of the river. Presumably, if I'd have placed a cache along that path (on the east side of the river), on OSM it would have been shown on the west side of the river in the middle of a field.

Garmin's Topo may not be perfect but at least it has the rivers shown in their correct location :P

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Garmin's Topo may not be perfect but at least it has the rivers shown in their correct location :P

 

Rivers and similarly large geographical features are often traced from Yahoo satellite imagery, rendering them inaccurate at smaller zoom scales. At least until such time as somebody notices it and improves the accuracy...

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I have to admit that this is the case in some areas to the NW of London, there was one very 'over-enthusiastic' person who believed that New Popular Edition OS maps were more worthwhile than going and collecting the data himself as is recommended by the project. Needless to say, he's not gathered himself many friends within the project.

 

Indeed he's directly contravening the basic premise of the whole exercise. A rogue element, as suspected; hardly grounds for dismissing the whole project. Thanks for the confirmation Edgemaster - as usual, local information proves the most reliable :P

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I have to admit that this is the case in some areas to the NW of London, there was one very 'over-enthusiastic' person who believed that New Popular Edition OS maps were more worthwhile than going and collecting the data himself

 

A rogue element, as suspected;

 

Not a rogue element, more like par for the course I'd say.

 

The real rogue elements do much worse. Kent and Essex have been plagued by a contributor called Liam123 (but who knows how many other pseudonyms he has) which the OSM refused to ban. He's already made 13 large scale edits in 2010, where he gets perverse pleasure from subtlely vandalizing the map. In the past he's moved electricity pylons, changed footpaths to unclassified roads or vice-versa, changed streams into bridleways, and changed roundabouts into one-way systems. His biggest series of less-subtle edits involved extending the London Underground out into the depths of Essex and Kent (via a new Thames Estuary tunnel!) with a series of completely fictititious new Tube stations. Eventually other people went through the laborious task of changing it back, but he and many like him are at it all the time without any checks on their behaviour.

The point is, because there is no dataset change control system where a given version of the map is signed off as reasonably error-free and up-to-date, any extract of OSM map data will inevitably contain this sort of fiction.

And that's just the rogue elements I've described - the other well-meaning but lazy contributors introduce all sorts of errors on the mapping - problems which are often a lot harder to spot until you are on the ground trying to cross a river over a bridge that doesn't exist.

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Not a rogue element, more like par for the course I'd say...many like him are at it all the time

 

I see very little evidence of that. The very fact that the individual in question is known by name indicates how unrepresentative this sort of behaviour is. I agree that in such cases it would be good that an ISP ban could be invoked to deter such idocy.

 

problems which are often a lot harder to spot until you are on the ground trying to cross a river over a bridge that doesn't exist.

 

The implication is that one is relying entirely on OSM mapping; it never occurred to me that anyone would do so. I use both paper and digital Ordnance Survey mapping when planning routes, but find Open Source mapping a perfectly reliable and enjoyable tool in the field.

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qichina, I would suggest that if you don't like OSM then don't use it. I for one think it's brilliant especially given that it's editable, zooms appropriately on your Garmin and is FREE! As agentmancuso says it can be updated and corrected. Granted an idiot can put duff data on it but for every idiot there's 100 dedicated mappers making corrections.

 

Thanks Martin (Talkytoaster) for the updates - keep 'em coming please :D

 

Here here :)

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qichina, I would suggest that if you don't like OSM then don't use it. I for one think it's brilliant especially given that it's editable, zooms appropriately on your Garmin and is FREE! As agentmancuso says it can be updated and corrected. Granted an idiot can put duff data on it but for every idiot there's 100 dedicated mappers making corrections.

 

Thanks Martin (Talkytoaster) for the updates - keep 'em coming please :D

 

Here here :grin:

 

As I said before, I don't use it. I was actually trying to be helpful in pointing out to people that extracts from Open Street Map can't be relied on in some areas.

 

I'm a great fan of open source when it comes to Linux, but it seems that some people have such a strong ideological commitment to the idea of open source that they are simply unable to recognize a defective product when it's staring them in the face. A good example of delusional groupthink?

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it seems that some people have such a strong ideological commitment to the idea of open source that they are simply unable to recognize a defective product when it's staring them in the face. A good example of delusional groupthink?

 

No. Just common sense. Open Source Mapping is not a 'defective product'; it is an imperfect product, which is quite different. It's true that if a person were so naive as to think OSM a perfect mapping system then they would be sadly disappointed, but the problem would lie with that person's perception and expectation, not with the 'product' itself. It would be equally naive to assume that any Ordnance Survey product were perfect.

 

OSM states:

 

OpenStreetMap is a free editable map of the whole world. It is made by people like you.

 

It does exactly what it says in the tin.

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Open Source Mapping is not a 'defective product...

 

I enclose map extracts of a lovely part of rural Suffolk for walkers - a criss-cross of footpaths and streams.

 

Both maps chart the same area: one is the OpenstreetMap version, the other is the Ordnance Survey version.

 

I wonder which map cachers would prefer to use ?

 

osm_suffolk.jpgordnance_suffolk.jpg

 

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Open Source Mapping is not a 'defective product...

 

I enclose map extracts of a lovely part of rural Suffolk for walkers - a criss-cross of footpaths and streams.

 

Both maps chart the same area: one is the OpenstreetMap version, the other is the Ordnance Survey version.

 

I wonder which map cachers would prefer to use ?

 

 

Cost of OS maps for all of the UK : More than my GPS cost

Cost of OSM maps for all of the UK : £0.00

Cost of OSM maps for occasional trips abroad: £0.00

 

I'll take the OSM maps thanks.

 

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Can you now drop this and move on. You obviously don't like OSM maps, you've had your say and it's on record for anyone else looking at this thread so you don't need to keep harping on about it. No-one is claiming OSM is perfect, or anywhere near. It is what it is, and people can choose to use it or not.

 

I and many others are grateful to Martin for the effort he puts into making these maps easily available to cachers and it would be a real shame if he was put off by this constant bickering.

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Can you now drop this and move on.

 

Well you're not the moderator of this forum, so I don't see that you've got any right to try to stop me contributing to this discussion in any way I like, including providing stark evidence of what I am saying, in the face of what seems to me an ideological blindness to the severe deficiencies of OSM.

 

If you don't want to engage in a debate, then fine, but don't try to suppress freedom of speech, just because you don't like facing the evidence.

 

And the argument that because something is free, it must be good, simply defies all reason. <_<

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For the benefit of others watching this thread qichina has not made a fair comparison his/her post. The zoom level chosen for the 2 pictures I would not use when out caching. I'd zoom in much more - at which level you'd loose the 1:50K map shown.

 

If you want a great solution yet stay stay with free maps then I'd recommend using OSM for the general layer but add OS 1:25K tiles using Madproforg's excellent utility - here.

 

However, I agree with Marty - qichina, you obviously don't like OSM yourself so why keep posting on an OSM thread?

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And the argument that because something is free, it must be good, simply defies all reason. <_<

 

No one has suggested any such thing. (Nonetheless, the massive difference in cost is one significantly attractive feature of OSM.)

 

It's fairly evident that the only ideological blindness comes on your part. Nobody has ever suggested that the actual mapping detail provided by OSM matches that provided by the Ordance Survey. Despite which you tediously insist on repeating this fact as though it were some triumphant personal revelation. We all know, we just happen to think that other factors come into play.

 

Unfortunately your sneeringly simplistic analysis runs the risk of discouraging those who put their own time & effort in the Open Source project, which would be a real shame, as many of us benefit from and enjoy it enormously.

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