+rodz Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Using the GetCounty function in GSAK (assuming it is correct) and the States information that has been currently filled in across the UK, I have produced the below table. It looks as though the States do follow county boundaries (although I have only checked a few areas). In which case there should really only be one line per County in the below table. A bit like "ask the audience" I thought that the greater number would represent the correct State for each county. Not so in some cases. " County State Count Avon South of England 19 Avon Southwest of England 57 Bedfordshire East Midlands 3 Bedfordshire East of England 24 Bedfordshire Southeast of England 2 Berkshire South of England 41 Berkshire Southeast of England 55 Berkshire Southwest of England 4 Buckinghamshire East Midlands 7 Buckinghamshire East of England 8 Buckinghamshire London 1 Buckinghamshire South of England 12 Buckinghamshire Southeast of England 150 Buckinghamshire West Midlands 10 Cambridgeshire East Midlands 5 Cambridgeshire East of England 81 Cambridgeshire Southeast of England 1 Central Scotland North 33 Central Scotland South 31 Cheshire Northwest England 162 Cheshire West Midlands 3 Cleveland Northeast England 15 Cleveland Yorkshire and Humber 2 Clwyd North Wales 109 Clwyd Northwest England 2 Clwyd West Midlands 2 Cornwall South of England 2 Cornwall Southeast of England 1 Cornwall Southwest of England 127 Cumbria Northeast England 1 Cumbria Northwest England 197 Cumbria Yorkshire and Humber 1 Derbyshire East Midlands 132 Derbyshire Northwest England 11 Derbyshire West Midlands 35 Derbyshire Yorkshire and Humber 2 Devon South of England 1 Devon Southwest of England 306 Dorset South of England 62 Dorset Southwest of England 21 Dumfries and Galloway Scotland South 30 Durham Northeast England 45 Durham Northwest England 1 Dyfed North Wales 2 Dyfed South Wales 46 East Sussex South of England 11 East Sussex Southeast of England 78 Essex East of England 39 Essex South of England 1 Essex Southeast of England 27 Essex Southwest of England 3 Fife Scotland North 67 Fife Scotland South 17 Gloucestershire South of England 23 Gloucestershire Southwest of England 12 Grampian Scotland North 31 Grampian Scotland South 1 Greater London East of England 1 Greater London London 213 Greater London South of England 1 Greater London Southeast of England 10 Greater Manchester Northwest England 96 Gwent South Wales 86 Gwent West Midlands 1 Gwynedd North Wales 91 Hampshire South of England 141 Hampshire Southeast of England 21 Hampshire Southwest of England 2 Hereford and Worcester South of England 5 Hereford and Worcester Southwest of England 2 Hereford and Worcester West Midlands 91 Hertfordshire East Midlands 1 Hertfordshire East of England 48 Hertfordshire London 1 Hertfordshire South of England 3 Hertfordshire Southeast of England 21 Highland Scotland North 18 Highland Scotland South 1 Humberside West Midlands 1 Humberside Yorkshire and Humber 48 Isle of Wight South of England 29 Isle of Wight Southeast of England 1 Kent South of England 5 Kent Southeast of England 164 Lancashire Northeast England 1 Lancashire Northwest England 136 Leicestershire East Midlands 65 Lincolnshire East Midlands 32 Lincolnshire East of England 5 Lincolnshire Yorkshire and Humber 1 Lothian Scotland South 152 Merseyside Northwest England 27 Mid Glamorgan South Wales 47 Norfolk East Midlands 1 Norfolk East of England 123 Norfolk Southeast of England 1 North Yorkshire Northeast England 12 North Yorkshire Northwest England 4 North Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber 200 Northamptonshire East Midlands 67 Northamptonshire East of England 11 Northamptonshire South of England 1 Northamptonshire West Midlands 3 Northumberland Northeast England 49 Northumberland Scotland South 1 Nottinghamshire East Midlands 50 Oxfordshire South of England 129 Oxfordshire Southeast of England 8 Oxfordshire Southwest of England 2 Oxfordshire West Midlands 16 Powys North Wales 7 Powys South Wales 18 Scottish Borders Scotland South 10 Shetland Scotland North 2 Shropshire North Wales 2 Shropshire Northwest England 1 Shropshire West Midlands 96 Somerset South of England 16 Somerset Southwest of England 48 South Glamorgan South Wales 32 South Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber 94 Staffordshire East Midlands 12 Staffordshire Northwest England 3 Staffordshire West Midlands 129 Strathclyde Scotland North 3 Strathclyde Scotland South 106 Suffolk East of England 36 Suffolk Southeast of England 2 Surrey London 3 Surrey South of England 6 Surrey Southeast of England 64 Tayside Scotland North 280 Tayside Scotland South 1 Tyne and Wear Northeast England 28 Tyne and Wear Yorkshire and Humber 1 Warwickshire East Midlands 4 Warwickshire West Midlands 109 West Glamorgan South Wales 32 West Midlands West Midlands 112 West Sussex Northwest England 1 West Sussex South of England 74 West Sussex Southeast of England 58 West Yorkshire Northwest England 3 West Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber 189 Western Isles Scotland North 4 Wiltshire South of England 141 Wiltshire Southeast of England 1 Quote Link to comment
+goldpot Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) By setting West Midlands rather than the South of England .. Do I breach any written rules? I cannot see my home as being associated with or close to Portsmouth for example but I am only a few motorway miles from Warwick. Count yourself lucky that you don't live in Lerwick; in the same region some caches are 200 miles away! ...and there will be many caches nearer in Norway than they are in south Scotland North! Edited September 6, 2008 by goldpot Quote Link to comment
+Graculus Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 (edited) Right, taking all comments into consideration (and thank you for the feedback) I reckon this list of regions will do. I'd also keep this order for the drop down box as it is order north to south of the country. Regarding the actual counties in the regions, that will get looked into later. Jazz and Dino-irl, I'll copy you in on the email to GS so you'll know it is final Graculus Northern Scotland Southern Scotland North East England North West England West Midlands Yorkshire and Humberside East Midlands Eastern England North Wales South Wales South West England South East England Southern England London Edited September 6, 2008 by Graculus Quote Link to comment
+rodz Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Might this be a starting point from the list I posted above? County State Avon South of England Bedfordshire East of England Berkshire South of England Buckinghamshire South of England Cambridgeshire East of England Central Scotland North Cheshire Northwest England Cleveland Northeast England Clwyd North Wales Cornwall Southwest of England Cumbria Northwest England Derbyshire East Midlands Devon Southwest of England Dorset South of England Dumfries and Galloway Scotland South Durham Northeast England Dyfed South Wales East Sussex Southeast of England Fife Scotland North Gloucestershire South of England Grampian Scotland North Greater London London Greater Manchester Northwest England Gwent South Wales Gwynedd North Wales Hampshire South of England Hereford and Worcester West Midlands Hertfordshire East of England Highland Scotland North Humberside Yorkshire and Humber Isle of Wight South of England Kent Southeast of England Lancashire Northwest England Leicestershire East Midlands Lincolnshire East Midlands Lothian Scotland South Merseyside Northwest England Mid Glamorgan South Wales Norfolk East of England North Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber Northamptonshire East Midlands Northumberland Northeast England Nottinghamshire East Midlands Oxfordshire South of England Powys South Wales Scottish Borders Scotland South Shetland Scotland North Shropshire West Midlands Somerset South of England South Glamorgan South Wales South Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber Staffordshire West Midlands Strathclyde Scotland South Suffolk East of England Surrey Southeast of England Tayside Scotland North Tyne and Wear Northeast England Warwickshire West Midlands West Glamorgan South Wales West Midlands West Midlands West Sussex Southeast of England West Yorkshire Yorkshire and Humber Western Isles Scotland North Wiltshire South of England Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Maybe it's just easier to teach people geography? Quote Link to comment
+minstrelcat Posted September 6, 2008 Share Posted September 6, 2008 Buckinghamshire East Midlands 7 Buckinghamshire East of England 8 Buckinghamshire London 1 Buckinghamshire South of England 12 Buckinghamshire Southeast of England 150 Buckinghamshire West Midlands 10 Blimey - Buckinghamshire has quite an identity crisis! Quote Link to comment
+G4UYG Posted September 7, 2008 Author Share Posted September 7, 2008 County State Count Essex East of England 39 Essex South of England 1 Essex Southeast of England 27 Essex Southwest of England 3 Well as the OP I guess this makes my point and explains my question. I expect it just confirms the jokes about Essex boys and girls that we even have 3 caches in Devon & Cornwall I notice that in your revised list you skipped Essex. Probably very wise ... Quote Link to comment
+Alibags Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hertfordshire East Midlands 1Hertfordshire East of England 48 Hertfordshire London 1 Hertfordshire South of England 3 Hertfordshire Southeast of England 21 Yeah, looks like I should learn geography! (drat, and I thought that my A level would help!) I think I can see JollyJax' point somewhat. I have no issue as such with the regions and I will update my caches as an when I get round to it, but apart from people being confused as to which region they are in, searching by region for me is of limited value as there are so many caches and the region is so big the search results would not be helpful. A proximity search is more value to me. To be completely fair, as I live right on the Beds Bucks and Herts border, and work on the Bucks/Oxon border, if TPTB had plumped for UK counties and not regions, this would have also not have worked for me... I would still have had to do more than one search! Anyhow, as this does not create an actual problem and may be helpful to some people, I will dutifully fill the region in and generally pay it no attention after that. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'd also keep this order for the drop down box as it is order north to south of the country. Regarding the actual counties in the regions, that will get looked into later. Jazz and Dino-irl, I'll copy you in on the email to GS so you'll know it is final blink.gif Graculus Northern Scotland Southern Scotland North East England North West England West Midlands Yorkshire and Humberside East Midlands Eastern England North Wales South Wales South West England South East England Southern England London Yorks and Humberside south of the West Midlands? London last on the list? Listed North to South?? WHO needs a geography lesson? /runs away Quote Link to comment
+Learned Gerbil Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 (edited) In my part of Greater London new caches seem to appear with "South East England" selected instead of London, even where the location has a London post code. It might be clearer if "London" was "Greater London" assuming that this is the correct border. can't be sure (and i guess neither can anyone else) as the map in this thread doesn't show London clearly and I can't run Google Earth due to security restrictions on this machine. Edited September 8, 2008 by Learned Gerbil Quote Link to comment
Edgemaster Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Quote Link to comment
+MisterBen Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. Oh, there's ALWAYS ambiguity ;-) Wildlife Cache # 10 - Bigfoot (Essex)(Yes - Essex) Quote Link to comment
Edgemaster Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then? Quote Link to comment
+MisterBen Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then? Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true). Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire. Quote Link to comment
+Learned Gerbil Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 There would not be ambiguity if it said "Greater London" Everyone (other than the pedants) would know what that means. Quote Link to comment
Edgemaster Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 What about Pentreheyling? Is it in Wales or England. Just take a look at the map, try getting there by road from England! Quote Link to comment
+goldpot Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 There would not be ambiguity if it said "Greater London" Everyone (other than the pedants) would know what that means. ...how about Boris London? Quote Link to comment
+goldpot Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Stop press! West Midlands is about to change to become Greater Birmingham! ...according to reports in the paper today. Quote Link to comment
+Mimi & Bod Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Having read the above comments with interest, I must admit that there is a degree of confusion evident when checking out cache sites in relation to the areas that they would typically belong to (if counties were used). I live in Cambridgeshire, and the Lincolnshire/Norfolk borders are within 5 miles of my home - this puts me in the East of England which is a HUGE 'State'. The easy solution is to check out the map on geocaching.com and pick a nearby 'cache-rich' area to visit. A lot of the time the sites I find are listed simply as 'UK'. Out of curiosity, how likely is it that these State boundaries will remain? Quote Link to comment
+careygang Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then? Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true). Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire. Well when I were a kid, Romford and Ilford were Essex, likewise Dagenham; that's why I can call Mrs C an Essex Girl! Oh, and the buses that ran around the outside ring of London (even outside of what is now the M25 - I think Grays, Essex was the furthest garage out) were still part London Transport, but they were green instead of red. Now I'm really showing my age! Living out here at present, I think you should all be thankful that the areas are of a 'reasonably similar' size. With the 'State' search in the US, try comparing the relative area of Washington DC, or Rhode Island, with Texas or one of the other Western states. The UK regions/states are a much more practical facility and will be very useful once people get used to them. Quote Link to comment
+purple_pineapple Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 IMHO it is pretty much academic what name the regions are given, they could well be just called Region 1 through to 14 and would be just as useful (or not as the case might be). I think you're on to something here John - we could name the regions after the OS 1:50,000 scale Memory map regions - i believe there are 12! Quote Link to comment
+purple_pineapple Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case. And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London. Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous. So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then? Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true). Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire. Rodz list above is a VERY good indication of where things should be. regarding London, I've had a close look at the GE overlay, and the border is almost spot (to the nearest side road) for the London Boroughs. So, places like croydon, which may well be in Surrey, are categorised as London, as it is the London Borough of Croydon. On the other hand, I live in Lower Kingswood - INSIDE the M25 - but I am in Surrey, I pay my council tax to SCC, have no London transport facilities, and have no links to 'London' at all. So, most of my local caches should be South east England. The clear answer (for London) is 'who is council tax payable to?'. London Borough = Greater London region, County council = other region (probably SE England). obviously, this is the cache location, not the home location! I have caches in both regions. Quote Link to comment
big_bob Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 As you can already search for caches by co-ordinates and postcode why do we need this extra classification. Now what would be REALLY useful is the ability to search by town like you can do in Google maps etc. Quote Link to comment
+Graculus Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Groundspeak have edited the list of UK Regions for caches so it now reads as per the many discussions about the region names in this thread. This is what it looks like in the 'drop down' box: Please refer to the map here when listing a cache so it is in the right region. Graculus Volunteer UK Reviewer UK Geocaching Information & Resources Website Quote Link to comment
+Gushoneybun Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Its not as per the original list? We have Northeast and Northwest rather than North East and North West. But South East and South West came out ok as per original list! Quote Link to comment
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