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Using the GetCounty function in GSAK (assuming it is correct) and the States information that has been currently filled in across the UK, I have produced the below table. It looks as though the States do follow county boundaries (although I have only checked a few areas). In which case there should really only be one line per County in the below table. A bit like "ask the audience" I thought that the greater number would represent the correct State for each county. Not so in some cases.

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County						State						  Count
Avon						  South of England				  19
Avon						  Southwest of England			  57
Bedfordshire				  East Midlands					  3
Bedfordshire				  East of England				   24
Bedfordshire				  Southeast of England			   2
Berkshire					 South of England				  41
Berkshire					 Southeast of England			  55
Berkshire					 Southwest of England			   4
Buckinghamshire			   East Midlands					  7
Buckinghamshire			   East of England					8
Buckinghamshire			   London							 1
Buckinghamshire			   South of England				  12
Buckinghamshire			   Southeast of England			 150
Buckinghamshire			   West Midlands					 10
Cambridgeshire				East Midlands					  5
Cambridgeshire				East of England				   81
Cambridgeshire				Southeast of England			   1
Central					   Scotland North					33
Central					   Scotland South					31
Cheshire					  Northwest England				162
Cheshire					  West Midlands					  3
Cleveland					 Northeast England				 15
Cleveland					 Yorkshire and Humber			   2
Clwyd						 North Wales					  109
Clwyd						 Northwest England				  2
Clwyd						 West Midlands					  2
Cornwall					  South of England				   2
Cornwall					  Southeast of England			   1
Cornwall					  Southwest of England			 127
Cumbria					   Northeast England				  1
Cumbria					   Northwest England				197
Cumbria					   Yorkshire and Humber			   1
Derbyshire					East Midlands					132
Derbyshire					Northwest England				 11
Derbyshire					West Midlands					 35
Derbyshire					Yorkshire and Humber			   2
Devon						 South of England				   1
Devon						 Southwest of England			 306
Dorset						South of England				  62
Dorset						Southwest of England			  21
Dumfries and Galloway		 Scotland South					30
Durham						Northeast England				 45
Durham						Northwest England				  1
Dyfed						 North Wales						2
Dyfed						 South Wales					   46
East Sussex				   South of England				  11
East Sussex				   Southeast of England			  78
Essex						 East of England				   39
Essex						 South of England				   1
Essex						 Southeast of England			  27
Essex						 Southwest of England			   3
Fife						  Scotland North					67
Fife						  Scotland South					17
Gloucestershire			   South of England				  23
Gloucestershire			   Southwest of England			  12
Grampian					  Scotland North					31
Grampian					  Scotland South					 1
Greater London				East of England					1
Greater London				London						   213
Greater London				South of England				   1
Greater London				Southeast of England			  10
Greater Manchester			Northwest England				 96
Gwent						 South Wales					   86
Gwent						 West Midlands					  1
Gwynedd					   North Wales					   91
Hampshire					 South of England				 141
Hampshire					 Southeast of England			  21
Hampshire					 Southwest of England			   2
Hereford and Worcester		South of England				   5
Hereford and Worcester		Southwest of England			   2
Hereford and Worcester		West Midlands					 91
Hertfordshire				 East Midlands					  1
Hertfordshire				 East of England				   48
Hertfordshire				 London							 1
Hertfordshire				 South of England				   3
Hertfordshire				 Southeast of England			  21
Highland					  Scotland North					18
Highland					  Scotland South					 1
Humberside					West Midlands					  1
Humberside					Yorkshire and Humber			  48
Isle of Wight				 South of England				  29
Isle of Wight				 Southeast of England			   1
Kent						  South of England				   5
Kent						  Southeast of England			 164
Lancashire					Northeast England				  1
Lancashire					Northwest England				136
Leicestershire				East Midlands					 65
Lincolnshire				  East Midlands					 32
Lincolnshire				  East of England					5
Lincolnshire				  Yorkshire and Humber			   1
Lothian					   Scotland South				   152
Merseyside					Northwest England				 27
Mid Glamorgan				 South Wales					   47
Norfolk					   East Midlands					  1
Norfolk					   East of England				  123
Norfolk					   Southeast of England			   1
North Yorkshire			   Northeast England				 12
North Yorkshire			   Northwest England				  4
North Yorkshire			   Yorkshire and Humber			 200
Northamptonshire			  East Midlands					 67
Northamptonshire			  East of England				   11
Northamptonshire			  South of England				   1
Northamptonshire			  West Midlands					  3
Northumberland				Northeast England				 49
Northumberland				Scotland South					 1
Nottinghamshire			   East Midlands					 50
Oxfordshire				   South of England				 129
Oxfordshire				   Southeast of England			   8
Oxfordshire				   Southwest of England			   2
Oxfordshire				   West Midlands					 16
Powys						 North Wales						7
Powys						 South Wales					   18
Scottish Borders			  Scotland South					10
Shetland					  Scotland North					 2
Shropshire					North Wales						2
Shropshire					Northwest England				  1
Shropshire					West Midlands					 96
Somerset					  South of England				  16
Somerset					  Southwest of England			  48
South Glamorgan			   South Wales					   32
South Yorkshire			   Yorkshire and Humber			  94
Staffordshire				 East Midlands					 12
Staffordshire				 Northwest England				  3
Staffordshire				 West Midlands					129
Strathclyde				   Scotland North					 3
Strathclyde				   Scotland South				   106
Suffolk					   East of England				   36
Suffolk					   Southeast of England			   2
Surrey						London							 3
Surrey						South of England				   6
Surrey						Southeast of England			  64
Tayside					   Scotland North				   280
Tayside					   Scotland South					 1
Tyne and Wear				 Northeast England				 28
Tyne and Wear				 Yorkshire and Humber			   1
Warwickshire				  East Midlands					  4
Warwickshire				  West Midlands					109
West Glamorgan				South Wales					   32
West Midlands				 West Midlands					112
West Sussex				   Northwest England				  1
West Sussex				   South of England				  74
West Sussex				   Southeast of England			  58
West Yorkshire				Northwest England				  3
West Yorkshire				Yorkshire and Humber			 189
Western Isles				 Scotland North					 4
Wiltshire					 South of England				 141
Wiltshire					 Southeast of England			   1

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By setting West Midlands rather than the South of England .. Do I breach any written rules?

 

I cannot see my home as being associated with or close to Portsmouth for example but I am only a few motorway miles from Warwick.

 

Count yourself lucky that you don't live in Lerwick; in the same region some caches are 200 miles away! ^_^

 

...and there will be many caches nearer in Norway than they are in south Scotland North! ;):unsure:

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Right, taking all comments into consideration (and thank you for the feedback) I reckon this list of regions will do. I'd also keep this order for the drop down box as it is order north to south of the country. Regarding the actual counties in the regions, that will get looked into later.

 

Jazz and Dino-irl, I'll copy you in on the email to GS so you'll know it is final :unsure:

 

Graculus

 

Northern Scotland

Southern Scotland

North East England

North West England

West Midlands

Yorkshire and Humberside

East Midlands

Eastern England

North Wales

South Wales

South West England

South East England

Southern England

London

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Might this be a starting point from the list I posted above?

County						State						  
Avon						  South of England				 
Bedfordshire				  East of England				   
Berkshire					 South of England				  
Buckinghamshire			   South of England				 
Cambridgeshire				East of England				   
Central					   Scotland North					
Cheshire					  Northwest England			   
Cleveland					 Northeast England				 
Clwyd						 North Wales					 
Cornwall					  Southwest of England			 
Cumbria					   Northwest England				
Derbyshire					East Midlands					
Devon						 Southwest of England			 
Dorset						South of England				  
Dumfries and Galloway		 Scotland South					
Durham						Northeast England				 
Dyfed						 South Wales					   
East Sussex				   Southeast of England			  
Fife						  Scotland North					
Gloucestershire			   South of England				  
Grampian					  Scotland North					
Greater London				London						  
Greater Manchester			Northwest England				 
Gwent						 South Wales					  
Gwynedd					   North Wales					  
Hampshire					 South of England				 
Hereford and Worcester		West Midlands					
Hertfordshire				 East of England				   
Highland					  Scotland North										  
Humberside					Yorkshire and Humber			  
Isle of Wight				 South of England				  
Kent						  Southeast of England			 
Lancashire					Northwest England				
Leicestershire				East Midlands					 
Lincolnshire				  East Midlands					 
Lothian					   Scotland South				   
Merseyside					Northwest England				 
Mid Glamorgan				 South Wales					   
Norfolk					   East of England				  
North Yorkshire			   Yorkshire and Humber			 
Northamptonshire			  East Midlands					 
Northumberland				Northeast England				 
Nottinghamshire			   East Midlands					 
Oxfordshire				   South of England				
Powys						 South Wales					  
Scottish Borders			  Scotland South					
Shetland					  Scotland North					 
Shropshire					West Midlands					 
Somerset					  South of England							 
South Glamorgan			   South Wales					   
South Yorkshire			   Yorkshire and Humber			  
Staffordshire				 West Midlands					
Strathclyde				   Scotland South				   
Suffolk					   East of England				   
Surrey						Southeast of England			  
Tayside					   Scotland North				  
Tyne and Wear				 Northeast England				
Warwickshire				  West Midlands					
West Glamorgan				South Wales					   
West Midlands				 West Midlands					
West Sussex				   Southeast of England			  
West Yorkshire				Yorkshire and Humber			 
Western Isles				 Scotland North					
Wiltshire					 South of England				

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County						State						  Count
Essex						 East of England				   39
Essex						 South of England				   1
Essex						 Southeast of England			  27
Essex						 Southwest of England			   3

 

Well as the OP I guess this makes my point and explains my question.

I expect it just confirms the jokes about Essex boys and girls that we even have 3 caches in Devon & Cornwall ;)

I notice that in your revised list you skipped Essex. Probably very wise ...

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Hertfordshire East Midlands 1

Hertfordshire East of England 48

Hertfordshire London 1

Hertfordshire South of England 3

Hertfordshire Southeast of England 21

 

Yeah, looks like I should learn geography! ;) (drat, and I thought that my A level would help!)

 

I think I can see JollyJax' point somewhat. I have no issue as such with the regions and I will update my caches as an when I get round to it, but apart from people being confused as to which region they are in, searching by region for me is of limited value as there are so many caches and the region is so big the search results would not be helpful. A proximity search is more value to me. To be completely fair, as I live right on the Beds Bucks and Herts border, and work on the Bucks/Oxon border, if TPTB had plumped for UK counties and not regions, this would have also not have worked for me... I would still have had to do more than one search!

 

Anyhow, as this does not create an actual problem and may be helpful to some people, I will dutifully fill the region in and generally pay it no attention after that.

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I'd also keep this order for the drop down box as it is order north to south of the country. Regarding the actual counties in the regions, that will get looked into later.

 

Jazz and Dino-irl, I'll copy you in on the email to GS so you'll know it is final blink.gif

 

Graculus

 

Northern Scotland

Southern Scotland

North East England

North West England

West Midlands

Yorkshire and Humberside

East Midlands

Eastern England

North Wales

South Wales

South West England

South East England

Southern England

London

 

Yorks and Humberside south of the West Midlands?

London last on the list?

 

Listed North to South?? :D

 

WHO needs a geography lesson? :):D;)

 

/runs away

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In my part of Greater London new caches seem to appear with "South East England" selected instead of London, even where the location has a London post code. It might be clearer if "London" was "Greater London" assuming that this is the correct border. can't be sure (and i guess neither can anyone else) as the map in this thread doesn't show London clearly and I can't run Google Earth due to security restrictions on this machine.

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

 

Oh, there's ALWAYS ambiguity ;-)

 

Wildlife Cache # 10 - Bigfoot (Essex)(Yes - Essex)

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then?

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then?

 

Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true).

 

Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire.

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Having read the above comments with interest, I must admit that there is a degree of confusion evident when checking out cache sites in relation to the areas that they would typically belong to (if counties were used).

 

I live in Cambridgeshire, and the Lincolnshire/Norfolk borders are within 5 miles of my home - this puts me in the East of England which is a HUGE 'State'. The easy solution is to check out the map on geocaching.com and pick a nearby 'cache-rich' area to visit. A lot of the time the sites I find are listed simply as 'UK'.

 

Out of curiosity, how likely is it that these State boundaries will remain? :anibad:

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then?

 

Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true).

 

Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire.

 

Well when I were a kid, Romford and Ilford were Essex, likewise Dagenham; that's why I can call Mrs C an Essex Girl! Oh, and the buses that ran around the outside ring of London (even outside of what is now the M25 - I think Grays, Essex was the furthest garage out) were still part London Transport, but they were green instead of red. Now I'm really showing my age!

 

Living out here at present, I think you should all be thankful that the areas are of a 'reasonably similar' size. With the 'State' search in the US, try comparing the relative area of Washington DC, or Rhode Island, with Texas or one of the other Western states.

 

The UK regions/states are a much more practical facility and will be very useful once people get used to them. :anibad:

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London is defined as Greater London and The City of London in this case.

 

And, yes, I'm also a little annoyed by people who're putting southeast. And no, even if it does still have a surrey postcode doesn't mean its outside of London.

 

Maybe the "within the M25" rule is the easiest definition of London. Not necessarily the most accurate, but the least ambiguous.

So, is North Ockendon inside or outside of London, then?

 

Pub quiz time then, is it? Historically it wasn't part of London but since 1965 has been part of the the London Borough of Havering, and the only settlement in Greater London outside the M25. (According to Wikipedia, so it must be true).

 

Maybe it should just be Emtwentyfiveshire.

 

Rodz list above is a VERY good indication of where things should be. regarding London, I've had a close look at the GE overlay, and the border is almost spot (to the nearest side road) for the London Boroughs. So, places like croydon, which may well be in Surrey, are categorised as London, as it is the London Borough of Croydon. On the other hand, I live in Lower Kingswood - INSIDE the M25 - but I am in Surrey, I pay my council tax to SCC, have no London transport facilities, and have no links to 'London' at all. So, most of my local caches should be South east England.

 

The clear answer (for London) is 'who is council tax payable to?'. London Borough = Greater London region, County council = other region (probably SE England). obviously, this is the cache location, not the home location! I have caches in both regions.

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