+Bull Moose Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 I'm interested. I've found 2, hid 1. Oh, and DNF Mt. Ellinor. Twice. Quote
+shunra Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 I don't see Goats 'R us on the list. It had been disabled for the winter, so I guess it was reenabled after the list was generated. This might actually be happening to other caches too. If a highest cache challenge is created, the list should include caches temporarily disabled for the season - or just be generated late enough in the season for all those caches to be active again. Quote
CurmudgeonlyGal Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 I'm interested. I've found 2, hid 1. Oh, and DNF Mt. Ellinor. Twice. You've DNF'd Ellinor... TWICE?! The third time's the (dnf) charm, Bullmoose... Although if you wait a little longer, your daughter will be able to find it for you. michelle Quote
+Bull Moose Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 You've DNF'd Ellinor... TWICE?! The third time's the (dnf) charm, Bullmoose... Although if you wait a little longer, your daughter will be able to find it for you. michelle Well, once was in a pretty heavy snow, so I have an excuse for that one. Next time I go up, it's going to be just me and Chewie, and we'll take that mountain apart if we have to. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 15, 2007 Author Posted May 15, 2007 I don't see Goats 'R us on the list. It had been disabled for the winter, so I guess it was reenabled after the list was generated. This might actually be happening to other caches too. If a highest cache challenge is created, the list should include caches temporarily disabled for the season - or just be generated late enough in the season for all those caches to be active again. I just checked my list and it appears that I neglected to add in temporarily disabled caches when I thought that I had done so. I'll re-run the list in a while to generate the proper list of the highest caches. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 15, 2007 Author Posted May 15, 2007 There were only two disabled caches that made the list: "Are You Hungry?" by ravens3 (GCWNKM) and "Goats R Us" by ruck (GCMWT4). This meant that two previous caches had to be dropped: "Kiser" by dentalstudent and "49 Degrees North" by wonlostdood, which slip to #101 and #102. Here's the updated list: RANK WAYPOINT CACHE ELEV (feet) 1 GCPZBX Rainier Summit Earthcache by run4cache 14196.9 2 GC8D7C Mt. Adams View by Garytlove 12245.6 3 GC1192 Banana Slugs & High Places by bigkid, The Diepenbrocks 10075.6 4 GCA69 Top o' the field by cache cow 10071.6 5 GCX7TH Chopaka Mtn by The Quicksters 7877.2 6 GCXZAF Aix & Pains by Og's outfit 7619.8 7 GCGK6Y DEW Line by Barnabirdy(s) 7415.9 8 GCCF4 12 Birds at the Dome by Don 7402.9 9 GCQ0Q9 Abercrombie Mtn. by halffast 7305.9 10 GCQ0RB Meeko's Mountain Cache by lahontan and Meeko 7269.0 11 GC79AD Butte of a View by Wilderness Guide and Mike 7221.2 12 GCQNRW Hooknose Mountain by MedicOne 7176.6 13 GCY2R3 Stormy Mountain by Patudles 7172.3 14 GCYXCQ Nelson Ridge by Sgtmac1 7135.8 15 GCGMXH O DARLAND by JCRAFTY adopted by Jeepinfool 6965.5 16 GCQ00K Cutthroat Cache by theplugger & mtnmama2 6862.0 17 GCB67 Above the Clouds by EraSeek 6854.2 18 GC92DC A Beautiful View by All41 6851.5 19 GCGQ2F Lightnin' Bill by Barnabirdy(s) 6833.1 20 GC93C0 SIR5L SUMMIT by MARK/SHARON/PHILIP/RACHEL/IAN AND PEEWEE 6824.9 21 GCJX5H Salmo Mountain Lookout by Lady Plott and Plott Hound 6808.8 22 GC92CC Elk View by Fullcoverage 6803.1 23 GCGY9W Maple Pass Loop Trail Cache by Bull Moose, Mrs. Moose, and Chewie 6795.8 24 GCKB5G Three Fingers Lookout by cache ahead 6784.7 25 GCPHB6 Big Hill Lookout Site by The Navigatorz 6781.4 26 GCPCVZ Wenatchee Mountain Cache by Mr. Gadget #2 6726.5 27 GCH3JR Marmot Pass via the Big Quilcene Trail by Criminal 6685.0 28 GCK28R McNeil Peak by Mr Trout and Garytlove 6640.0 29 GCP6K1 Hot Brakes! Lookout! by spike the wonder dog 6623.3 30 GCPHBE Junior Point Lookout Site by The Navigatorz 6612.5 31 GCPCVE Naneum Point Look Out Site by Mr. Gadget #2 6603.8 32 GCQ8QC Del Campo Summit by run4cache 6600.1 33 GCWNKM Are You Hungry? by ravens3 6574.0 34 GCX8EK Skyline Ridge Cache by Team-Awesome 6539.0 35 GCGKHD Round Top Mountain (TSM) by Firebuck 6456.4 36 GCK020 Goat Peak by Mr Trout and Garytlove 6441.9 37 GCC532 Altitude is Your Friend! by Water Lily 6417.9 38 GCMWTT Tyler Peak by ruck 6384.0 39 GCJXZ3 Wolf Pack by Trout Gravy 6374.6 40 GCXV6A Sourdough Gap by Third Saturday Hikers 6362.8 41 GCK40X Renegade Rendezvous #05 Clover Springs by endurancenut 6352.5 42 GC158D Zi Iob by dmollick 6329.8 43 GCGA1N Lion Rock by Geologo 6329.0 44 GCKGKE Tumac by Rentakid 6325.7 45 GC14D8 Windy Pass Cache by KevMac 6274.5 46 GCGTN5 You Can See For Ever by Four Wheelin' Hillbillies 6264.6 47 GCKDQF Hart's Pass by The Navigatorz 6256.2 48 GCG8CZ Snoqualmie Mountain by dant 6244.8 49 GCPQCQ Cultus Hole #1 (Wally's Cache) by ELKHUNTER8108 6243.9 50 GCYQDR Lookout at Table Rock by fplmt 6213.7 51 GCXRN4 Snagglepuss by lakaco 6196.4 52 GCGB3G Uprooted by Rideabent 6186.4 53 GCP56M Don't Look Down by GeoRoo 6180.6 54 GCPQ06 Table Rock Lookout by WR7X 6174.7 55 GCJQC1 The Howling by The Pathfinders 6173.1 56 GCPJFC High with Ethel and Eileen by geospiker 6171.2 57 GCW4N9 Alpine Lookout by GeoRoo 6170.1 58 GCK63D NW Jeepn3 Raven's Roost by kd7jov 6159.6 59 GCQ3P6 BLT...not the sandwich by theplugger 6150.6 60 GCGDQF Geocache by Waterboss by Waterboss 6149.0 61 GCWNM4 Buck Up! by ravens3 6132.2 62 GCJRCD Eagle Nest (For My Friend Wayne) by Hazard 6124.0 63 GCP56J Edge of the World by GeoRoo 6119.5 64 GCGMM0 K2 at Robin by mspm 6113.0 65 GCYJ4E Camp F-42, Company #1213 by WR7X 6099.6 66 GC7969 Chinook Pass I "Sheep Lake" by Mountainhome & Ricky 6099.2 67 GCXGCG High on a mountain top by KA-ZONG! 6095.6 68 GCGVT0 Shady Pass "De-Light" by Patudles 6074.0 69 GC5AA3 Haney Meadows / Mt lillian by Rentakid 6073.6 70 GCXW2X Maudeify Me by pkbagr 6072.4 71 GCPMXZ On Top of Grouse Springs Mtn. by Mr. Gadget #2 6051.8 72 GCPZ0E Miners Ridge by mountainhome 6042.7 73 GCK77D Mt. Townsend by Shunra (originally by bumblingbs) 6013.0 74 GCPQ0D Kendall Skyline Road by WR7X 6010.3 75 GCJV3F Goat Lake by ruck 6003.5 76 GCPEGJ Noble Knob by Og's outfit 5984.4 77 GC1773 South Baldy Stash by Moun10Bike 5972.2 78 GCP261 The Trail to Cougar Valley by Sgtmac1 5966.6 79 GCMWT4 Goats R Us by ruck 5942.8 80 GCGF03 Tronson Ridge by Rentakid 5930.4 81 GCG67D Sunset Blues by Misfire & Mrs., HHooligan 5925.4 82 GCGZXC Tin Pan Gap Cache by run4cache 5908.9 83 GC82BD Tolmie Peak by NW climber 5904.5 84 GCQZPF Misery by GEOCACHEFERRETS 5896.2 85 GCQ84H My Oh My! by the4Grays 5887.3 86 GCGDEN Ode to Charlie by Jeepinfool and Cancannohand 5886.5 87 GCGVMD Mt. Ellinor Cache by Criminal 5867.4 88 GCK56A NW Jeepn 2 Moonrocks by geekgirlcarol 5852.4 89 GCQT23 Skyline Divide by Mad Cacher 5852.2 90 GCY0B5 On Top of Mt Spokane TB Hotel by The Steaks 5847.8 91 GCYAA6 Nwjeepn.com #7, Blewett View by nwjeeper 5847.3 92 GCQEYF Leg o' Mutton by hydnsek 5845.7 93 GCPMNZ Barbecued Lollipop by 7scallywags 5843.8 94 GCPMXQ Wide Spot in The Road by Mr. Gadget #2 5836.4 95 GCH14X Sheep Lake by LightningCrew (adopted by FluteFace) 5820.7 96 GCXPKV A Stephen King Story by Ben's Honey 5817.2 97 GCM1TV Chumstick Mountain Lookout Site by The Navigatorz 5812.9 98 GCW4PM Goat Rock by GeoRoo 5811.2 99 GCPKDA Don't Be A Stranger by wonlostdood 5805.0 100 GCZ0G5 The BIG Ammo Can In The Woods by Bluesman63 5798.1 Quote
+Criminal Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Can you narrow it to caches with containers and then make the list clickable? Quote
+The Navigatorz Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 It's interesting to note that 10 of them are micros!! At least they're not the majority. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 Can you narrow it to caches with containers and then make the list clickable? That's what the bookmark list is for! Quote
+Og's outfit Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Two on the list are mine. I've found five others. Quote
+AndrewRJ Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Looks like I have done 2, I just looked at the map and the bookmarklist and am fairly sure that is accurate. Quote
+Kiersolvd Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) I like the idea of setting a goal of some total elevation, although I want to make sure it is high enough that this is truly a worthy challenge cache - i.e. a cache that involves some effort and takes you to multiple areas throughout the state. I am leaning toward a dynamic list, but I am cautious of this for the reasons that runhills mentions - namely, that we've seen people throw out meaningless caches, often caches that don't meet the guidelines, in order to fulfill the requirements of a challenge cache. I am thinking along the lines of making any finds count, but only hides made after I posted this thread. Of course, then there's always the possibility of people teaming up to hide caches for the others to find and vice versa. Any suggestions on how to keep the noise down but permit the list to update with any legitimate caches is welcome! There are a couple possibilities of ways to keep the noise down: If one of the goals is to visit mulitple areas throughout the state, set up several regions of the state that a certain number of caches be found within (or some variation of the idea.) Limit the number of placed caches that are counted. Ask the hider to describe why a newly placed cache should be added to the list. (A set of criteria might need to be created.) These all seems to be pretty onerous to administer. It seems to me that there can be some discrimination whether to include a newly placed cache or not by the keeper of that list. If there doesn't seem to be any redeaming value to the cache, then disallow it until it can be justified. Questions to consider in administering the cache: How often will the list be updated? Monthly? Quarterly? Yearly? If a cache was found in a prior list but newer caches higher up have displaced it from the new list, will finding that cache still count? Of all the challenge caches so far, to me this would be the most fun (followed by the History Challenge and the DeLorme Challenge.) I think for me to complete it as proposed so far will take a couple years though. But I have already seen ideas of places I want to visit this summer. Thank you! Edited May 16, 2007 by Kiersolvd Quote
+The Jester Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I have 6 finds from the first bookmark list. I don't think the new list changes anything. Quote
+Mr. Gadget #2 Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Thanks Jon for all of your effort to create a new challenge. I am ready to get going to find a bunch of new ones. For the record I have have found 12 and have place 4 caches on your bookmark list. Quote
+Recdiver Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Looks like I have done 2, I just looked at the map and the bookmarklist and am fairly sure that is accurate. That beats me I've done 1 from the bookmark list. If I could afford the gas there are a few more I'd like to try for. Quote
CurmudgeonlyGal Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 That beats me I've done 1 from the bookmark list. If I could afford the gas there are a few more I'd like to try for. No dam* kidding... we're heading into the hills this weekend and I'm trying to decide on the auto of choice up to the point of abandonment... the burb, which will get me everywhere I need to go with ease BUT suck up tons of gas (ka-ching) or the micro-car which may not get me everywhere and I'll worry about getting stuck out in the middle of NOWHERE... but shoot, it'll be a lot cheaper to drive... ?? Quote
+Blue Power Ranger Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 I've found exactly zero from the list. Apparently, I am a low-lander. (must be that Dutch ancestry) Quote
+Recdiver Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 That beats me I've done 1 from the bookmark list. If I could afford the gas there are a few more I'd like to try for. No dam* kidding... we're heading into the hills this weekend and I'm trying to decide on the auto of choice up to the point of abandonment... the burb, which will get me everywhere I need to go with ease BUT suck up tons of gas (ka-ching) or the micro-car which may not get me everywhere and I'll worry about getting stuck out in the middle of NOWHERE... but shoot, it'll be a lot cheaper to drive... ?? Understand that. We have a Suburban that spends most of its time parked. My caching vehicle gets 25mpg on a good day, downhill with a tail wind, or I could take the commuter car, 35mpg easily, however it has about 2 inches of clearance. Last year we were caching on almost every weekend. This year we might be able to afford to go out once a month, maybe twice a month if I could just give up eating. Quote
+OldBaldEagle Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Great list. I was just thinking of a bunch of rules to throw on the cache challenge, but in realizing who is thinking of making the challenge, figured he'd have it well in hand. What difference does it make anyway? Just get outside, climb that mountain and find a cache. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 16, 2007 Author Posted May 16, 2007 There are a couple possibilities of ways to keep the noise down: If one of the goals is to visit mulitple areas throughout the state, set up several regions of the state that a certain number of caches be found within (or some variation of the idea.) Limit the number of placed caches that are counted. Ask the hider to describe why a newly placed cache should be added to the list. (A set of criteria might need to be created.) These all seems to be pretty onerous to administer. It seems to me that there can be some discrimination whether to include a newly placed cache or not by the keeper of that list. If there doesn't seem to be any redeaming value to the cache, then disallow it until it can be justified. Those do seem pretty onerous and I think could create problems with subjectivity, etc. I've been toying with an idea of runhills' to require X number of caches in the top 10, Y number of caches in the top 25, etc., but those are just thoughts. I'm also leaning toward not allowing hides made after 5/1/07 count unless prior discussion has occurred between the hider and me and the thumbs up has been given. That could still be pretty onerous. Questions to consider in administering the cache: How often will the list be updated? Monthly? Quarterly? Yearly? I'd plan on updating at least weekly (as my Pocket Queries come in) and more frequently as needed when informed of new or archived caches changing the list. If a cache was found in a prior list but newer caches higher up have displaced it from the new list, will finding that cache still count? No. Only by having X* number of caches found/hidden in the list at the time of informing me of completion can a cacher be given the coordinates for the final. I see this as a good way of encouraging people to go for the higher caches. *Note that I still haven't determined what a reasonable number of finds/hides from the list would make for a good challenge. Still looking for feedback on this. Quote
+runhills Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 (edited) More to ponder, sorry Jon! Personally I like the idea of the top 100 because that seems like a goal that I could achieve but not all can. So the reason for this post is to ponder ways to provide a challenge to those that are not up to my aspirations. What if multiple caches (levels if you will) were created? More thought is in work but I will toss this out for others to comment. To log the first cache (level) one would have to find a percentage of those caches above 5000 feet. To log the second one would have to find a pecentage above 6000 feet and to log the third a percentage of those above 7000 feet. For any completion, the finds must still be active at the time of completion but the lists could be dynamic as the elevated hides grown in number. People going to altitude will leave new hides. But if more hides are dropped, then one would need to find more to meet the percentage. This might police the lame micro hides. In the current list, there are 15 hides above 7000 feet; some can be driven to within striking distance in the family auto. I would establish the percentage based on the number for the 7000 level such that some will require hiking but yet one would not have to climb Rainier to log the 7000 level. This should provide a challenge to anybody yet keeping book minimal. If there is community acceptance, I will do some further research. Having a climbing background; saying that I have climbed everything above 9000 feet in the state means something to the non-climbing community. Saying I have climbed 25 percent of those above 5000 feet has little meaning. For now, what on the top 100 is not still snowed it? Edited May 16, 2007 by runhills Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 17, 2007 Author Posted May 17, 2007 Given that the current #100 cache sits at 5798 feet, I was curious where new caches that would bump it off the list might have a chance of being placed. I fiddled with the data and here's what I found: Quote
+hydnsek Posted May 17, 2007 Posted May 17, 2007 Given that the current #100 cache sits at 5798 feet, I was curious where new caches that would bump it off the list might have a chance of being placed. I fiddled with the data and here's what I found: Huh, the Olympics aren't as high as they look from here. Quote
+runhills Posted May 17, 2007 Posted May 17, 2007 Given that the current #100 cache sits at 5798 feet, I was curious where new caches that would bump it off the list might have a chance of being placed. I fiddled with the data and here's what I found: Huh, the Olympics aren't as high as they look from here. It looks like all the red areas in Jon's data fall outside the National Parks. Mt Olympus is just under 8000 feet and surrounded by peaks above 5798 but they are in the National Park which makes them off-limits for physical hides and virtuals are no longer allowed. Really interesting mapping, thanks for sharing. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted May 17, 2007 Author Posted May 17, 2007 It looks like all the red areas in Jon's data fall outside the National Parks. Yes, I eliminated all areas that fell within land off-limits to caching. Quote
+Barnabirdy(s) Posted May 17, 2007 Posted May 17, 2007 (edited) Birdy(s) check in with 2 hides and 13 finds. Edited May 17, 2007 by Barnabirdy(s) Quote
+ruck Posted May 17, 2007 Posted May 17, 2007 Have to agree, 100K is to low. The 13 I've found/placed on the list put me a little over 80K already. Guess I don't even remember where I've been, GSAK tells me I've found 16 and hidden 3. Quote
+Patudles Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 All those dirt roads and knocking the muffler around on my car has paid off to some extent it looks like, cause I have found 18 and hid 2 of the highest caches. Looks like a fun challenge. If it doesn't get to difficult I might give it a try. Thanks for coming up with another challenge. Quote
+Bull Moose Posted May 23, 2007 Posted May 23, 2007 Hurry up and melt, snow! I'm not sure any of these are doable over Memorial Day Weekend. I'm really chomping at the bit to get out there. Quote
+GeoRoo Posted May 28, 2007 Posted May 28, 2007 Thanks Jon for the new challenge idea. After doing the WDC I kinda got burned out on geocaching, so this would be a great way to jump back into the fray and renew my interest. Hiking cache would be awesome! I see 4 of my hides and not sure on finds. Maybe 5-6. I didn't realize how many high caches there are in our state. I'd say many above 6,000 ft. are only going to be accessable for a limited time this year. The percentage levels might be more fair to the ones that don't hike. Is this going to be a drive to cache or hiking cache? Get er done!....I'm ready to go. Quote
MarcusArelius Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 If you are interested in this challenge and following this thread, would you mind posting the number of finds and hides you have out of this list? It will help me decide what the target number of required caches should be in the challenge. I have currently found or hidden 11 of the caches on the top 100 list. 1 for me... it's a start Ummm 3 . I guess it helps to drvie to the top of the pass instead of starting close to sea level. Quote
+OldBaldEagle Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 I have a grand total of 2 at this time but I hope to double it within the week. Quote
+DrAwKwArD Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 Moun10bike, Any chance you could run this same query for Oregon? Or at least steer me in the right direction? Thanks. Quote
luckykoi Posted June 24, 2007 Posted June 24, 2007 That beats me I've done 1 from the bookmark list. If I could afford the gas there are a few more I'd like to try for. No dam* kidding... we're heading into the hills this weekend and I'm trying to decide on the auto of choice up to the point of abandonment... the burb, which will get me everywhere I need to go with ease BUT suck up tons of gas (ka-ching) or the micro-car which may not get me everywhere and I'll worry about getting stuck out in the middle of NOWHERE... but shoot, it'll be a lot cheaper to drive... ?? I hear that.. I've got an old beater Manual Mazda (Ford) Escort Wagon. I don't know how many times I've bottomed it out on mountain roads, but it keeps on running and gets 38MPG on the freeway. On the other hand I've got an old beater jeep that will get me to any trail head with ease and can carry the jogging stroller without my having to take the front wheel off but it only gets 20MPG. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted June 25, 2007 Author Posted June 25, 2007 Moun10bike, Any chance you could run this same query for Oregon? Or at least steer me in the right direction? Thanks. I don't run queries for all of Oregon, so I am unable to generate the data needed. What you need to do is to load up DEM data for the state (available for free at seamless.usgs.gov) along with the Oregon caches in your favorite GIS software. You can then export the caches with elevations taken from the DEM. I start with 30 meter DEM data as it is a fraction of the size of the more familiar 10 meter data, but you of course lose some resolution. For this reason I have been sorting the results and taking the top 250 caches, then loading up 10 meter data for those areas and repeating the process with the higher resolution mesh and taking the top 100 from those 250. That is seeming to work well in limiting the amount of data you have to handle at the outset while not accidentally missing a cache that falls in the top 100. Quote
+Ambrosia Posted June 25, 2007 Posted June 25, 2007 Well, I managed to go up above my house like I said before, accompanied by my family, Patudles, and The Leprechauns. We had a great time, and added to my list. I went from 5 caches on the list to 9. Ok, I'm ready for a Highest Caches cache, Moun10Bike. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted June 26, 2007 Author Posted June 26, 2007 Ok, I'm ready for a Highest Caches cache, Moun10Bike. I've pretty much abandoned the idea. I think that there is just too much overlap with Navigatorz's Lookout Challenge. I told this to Mike and he replied that only 28 (out of 100) of the caches are the same, but that seems to be way too many to me. More importantly, however, is that they are so similar in terms of spirit and intent - getting people up into the mountains. Quote
+hydnsek Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Ok, I'm ready for a Highest Caches cache, Moun10Bike. I've pretty much abandoned the idea. I think that there is just too much overlap with Navigatorz's Lookout Challenge. I told this to Mike and he replied that only 28 (out of 100) of the caches are the same, but that seems to be way too many to me. More importantly, however, is that they are so similar in terms of spirit and intent - getting people up into the mountains. Bummer, although 28 caches does sound like too much overlap (we already have that with the DeLorme and County challenges). Thanks for considering it, though! Quote
+dentalstudent Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 There were only two disabled caches that made the list: "Are You Hungry?" by ravens3 (GCWNKM) and "Goats R Us" by ruck (GCMWT4). This meant that two previous caches had to be dropped: "Kiser" by dentalstudent and "49 Degrees North" by wonlostdood, which slip to #101 and #102. Well, I guess I need to go hide another one - just a little higher. I need the satisfaction of getting in the top 100 list! Quote
+DrAwKwArD Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 No conflicts in the state of Oregon for such a cache. I just wish someone with more time on their hands than myself would host it! I'm pretty sure this cache is the highest traditional in Oregon. Beats the tar out of all you northerners at over 9,000 feet. Quote
+Ambrosia Posted June 26, 2007 Posted June 26, 2007 Ok, I'm ready for a Highest Caches cache, Moun10Bike. I've pretty much abandoned the idea. I think that there is just too much overlap with Navigatorz's Lookout Challenge. I told this to Mike and he replied that only 28 (out of 100) of the caches are the same, but that seems to be way too many to me. More importantly, however, is that they are so similar in terms of spirit and intent - getting people up into the mountains. Well, that's disapointing. I don't think that they overlap that much, and this was the one challenge out of all of them that I thought that I might have a chance of actually finishing. It's my second favorite next to the history challenge, which I cannot do. You know from all the responses in this thread that people would love to have this challenge in place. Any way of changing your mind? Quote
luckykoi Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 I'm interested. I've found 2, hid 1. Oh, and DNF Mt. Ellinor. Twice. I DNF Ellinor once due to snow. Quote
Moun10Bike Posted June 27, 2007 Author Posted June 27, 2007 You know from all the responses in this thread that people would love to have this challenge in place. Any way of changing your mind? A lot of the responses came before the Lookout Challenge cache posted, though. I would certainly reconsider if people wanted to see both, but I've gotten the impression that people are getting burned out on challenge caches. I wish we could do polls in these forums. Do people still want to see a Highest Challenge? Quote
+The Leprechauns Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 I may be an outsider from across the country, but hopefully my completion of 20 Washington DeLorme grids, 13 Washington counties and four of the highest 100 Washington caches gives me an admission ticket to this thread. I say, the more challenges the better. Nobody has to complete all of them. The Highest 100 caches challenge would give folks an opportunity to complete a challenge because some of the other challenges are beyond their physical capabilities (but not their will and desire for fun). Here in Pennsylvania I am the co-owner of our DeLorme Challenge and All Counties Challenge. We established a rule saying that you could not use the same cache to qualify for both challenges. What if you did the same thing, and said that if you used a high-altitude cache for the fire lookout challenge, you'd have to choose a different one for the highest caches challenge? This way, each challenge requires different new experiences and opportunities to have fun. Quote
+Kiersolvd Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 [A lot of the responses came before the Lookout Challenge cache posted, though. I would certainly reconsider if people wanted to see both, but I've gotten the impression that people are getting burned out on challenge caches. I wish we could do polls in these forums. Do people still want to see a Highest Challenge? I was looking forward to this challenge. I doubt that I will complete either for a couple years but this is the one I would have actively worked on. As far as challenges go, some I will actively work on and others I probably won't. Like looking for caches, some seem interesting while others I'll pass by. Quote
+Patudles Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Yes, I would do them both. I also was looking forward to doing this challenge. If the caches overlap somewhat it won't matter to me. I don't think it will make that much of a difference. Both of these challenges will be more long term challenges for me than the DeLorme was. Hope you go for it! Quote
+The Navigatorz Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 (edited) I think both challenges (Highest Elevation and Lookouts) could co-exist and not diminish the challenge of either. There are actually 31 caches common to both challenges. Here is a breakdown showing the location of the common caches, using the areas defined in the lookout challenge. Area 1: 0 caches Area 2: 3 caches Area 3: 7 caches Area 4: 0 caches Area 5: 8 caches Area 6: 0 caches Area 7: 3 caches Area 8: 7 caches Area 9: 3 caches As you can see, three of the areas (1, 4 and 6) have no caches in common to both challenges. So, if someone participated in both challenges, and could get to and find "all" 31 of the common caches, only 3 of the 9 areas of the lookout challenge would be complete, and one would still need to find 19 more lookout caches (to get the 50 required for the lookout challenge). Personally I know I won't be getting to all 31 common caches, as some require mountain climbing skills, such as those on Mt. Adams and Rainier. So my guess is that on average a geocacher might get to only 15-20 of the common caches, leaving 30-35 un-common caches to find in each challenge (if the goal of the Highest Challenge is also to find 50 caches). That's still a challenge!! So I would like to see a Highest Elevation Cache Challenge. Besides, I can log a find on the Highest challenge when I finish it (I won't be able to for the Lookout Challenge since its mine). Edited June 28, 2007 by The Navigatorz Quote
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