+Juicepig Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 SWEET!! I know this one! Erebus and Terror. Franklin was a lieutenant in one of my Great (great great..) Uncles (John Ross) expeditions to the actic and antarctic. When he finally got his own command of the two ships (the same used by John Ross) he ended up sinking the them! Frickin guy! Starvation, cold, polar bears, choking of chunks of leather as they ate their shoes.. They died a hole bunch of ways, but mostly starvation and malnutrition, and hypothermia. I will think of a new question and throw it out there Juicepig, you have very correctly named both his ships and stated some of the contributing factors to their demise, but you need to wait for us westcoasters to get out of bed to find out if you answered it all correctly! Much later a grave was discovered and some of the bodies were exhumed by a relatively recent scientific expedition; there was an autopsy carried out and an unexpected cause of death was determined... This cause of death played a very large role in the demise of the crew as they attempted to escape the grip of the arctic. It is not what you mentioned above... it is this cause of death we are looking for... it may well have been the underlying cause for the whole crew's death. What was the cause of death? I figured it was already answered.. But even then, i doubt the WHOLE crew died of the same thing. Canniblism has been suggested, but they couldnt have all died of canniblism... Hey west coast!! stop sleeping in!! ...but I know they died of starvation and scurvy. Quote Link to comment
+V-I-cacher Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 sorry for missing out and not having read the entire thread (16 pages after all!) ...is this still all to be just "known" or... "may" we google? Quote Link to comment
+northernpenguin Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 This cause of death played a very large role in the demise of the crew as they attempted to escape the grip of the arctic. It is not what you mentioned above... it is this cause of death we are looking for... it may well have been the underlying cause for the whole crew's death. What was the cause of death? Scurvy? Quote Link to comment
+LeGodFather Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 sorry for missing out and not having read the entire thread (16 pages after all!) ...is this still all to be just "known" or... "may" we google?No googling! As mentionned in the first post Quote Link to comment
+H.F.Reign Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 well, I'll admit to relying on long ago lessons so they are probably out of date now but I will throw in some lead poisoning to go with the scurvy. Such delightful ways of dying we have come up with thus far. Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) duplicate post... oops, see below. Edited November 16, 2006 by Landsharkz Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 (edited) Lead Poisoning it is... A fascinating story. It is believed that lead poisoning directly caused a large number of deaths, but also contributed to poor decision making throughout the stressful time while stuck up there. Decisions like deciding to bring the ship's piano along as they attempted to push the lifeboats and sleds full of gear out of the high arctic. The lead was used to seal all the canned food they relied upon so heavily while up there. Edited November 16, 2006 by Landsharkz Quote Link to comment
danoshimano Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 What was the cause of death? Lead poisoning? Quote Link to comment
+northernpenguin Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 The lead was used to seal all the canned food they relied upon so heavily while up there. As opposed to the rapid onset lead poisoning one can get if they don't wear blaze while geocaching in November Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 well, I'll admit to relying on long ago lessons so they are probably out of date now but I will throw in some lead poisoning to go with the scurvy. Such delightful ways of dying we have come up with thus far. That's correct Danodude , but H.F. Reign was the first to come up with the lead poisoning. HFR..do you want to ask the next mind-bending question? Quote Link to comment
+Couparangus Posted November 16, 2006 Author Share Posted November 16, 2006 It never fails, when I know the answer I miss it due to being too busy! I do however think that NorthPeng should get honorable mention for his answer. Quote Link to comment
+H.F.Reign Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 hope this is not too "cross forum" (or whatever techno term there is) for you but on the subject of lead poisoning...what are the most likely criminal charges to be laid on a hunter (in ontario at least) for "accidentally" shooting and killing a geocacher out in the woods during deer season? Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 hope this is not too "cross forum" (or whatever techno term there is) for you but on the subject of lead poisoning...what are the most likely criminal charges to be laid on a hunter (in ontario at least) for "accidentally" shooting and killing a geocacher out in the woods during deer season? Guessing Manslaughter? Quote Link to comment
danoshimano Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 Criminal negligence causing death. Quote Link to comment
+H.F.Reign Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 sorry jp but it would be really hard to get that to stick... danashimano, you have 1 of the 2 main ones we've been discussing. Come up with the other and I'll pass this along...thankfully Quote Link to comment
danoshimano Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 sorry jp but it would be really hard to get that to stick... danashimano, you have 1 of the 2 main ones we've been discussing. Come up with the other and I'll pass this along...thankfully Ummm... "Using a Firearm With Insufficient IQ"? Unlawful Method of Hunting? Careless Discharge of a Firearm? Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 "Hunting carelessly is an offence. Hunters who discharge firearms without due care and attention or consideration for persons and property, are liable to a fine of up to $25,000 or imprisonment - or both. Depending on the circumstances, a person may also be subject to charges under the Criminal Code." From an Ontario Hunting Assoc. site... Quote Link to comment
+H.F.Reign Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 I'll pass it along to you dano... most likely criminal charges are criminal negligence causing death and careless use of a firearm. These would be charges applicable under the criminal code but with further investigation there are others that may be laid as well. Quote Link to comment
danoshimano Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Okay, here is my question: What is the name of the big territory in the middle that splits NWT in twain!! TWAIN I TELL YOU!! Juicepig will tell you if you get it correct, because I do not know the answer. But you have to WAIT until JP tells you it is right! Quote Link to comment
+shearzone Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 District of Keewatin? Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 A bit of a guess... Selkirk Territory? Quote Link to comment
+ElectroQTed Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Twain. Juicepig told us so right after the question! Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 District of Keewatin? Oops!! Didnt know I was answering. YES, District of Keewatin, which is also the name for the land based county of Nunavut, and a very large (area, not population) county in north west Ontario. Your go rock man Quote Link to comment
+shearzone Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 District of Keewatin? Oops!! Didnt know I was answering. YES, District of Keewatin, which is also the name for the land based county of Nunavut, and a very large (area, not population) county in north west Ontario. Your go rock man OK, let's stick with geography. Name the only two provinces that extend north of the 60th parallel AND name the only state in the contiguous US that extends north of the 49th parallel. Quote Link to comment
QuigleyJones Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) My guess would be NWT, Nunavut the states that are above the 49th parallel are Washingtion for sure and possibly Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota and also maybe Maine. Edited November 20, 2006 by QuigleyJones Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 (edited) My guess would be NWT, Nunavut the states that are above the 49th parallel are Washingtion for sure and possibly Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota and also maybe Maine. My guess would be NWT, Nunavut, and for the states, MAINE and MAINE alone Edited November 20, 2006 by Juicepig Quote Link to comment
+shearzone Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 My guess would be NWT, Nunavut the states that are above the 49th parallel are Washingtion for sure and possibly Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota and also maybe Maine. My guess would be NWT, Nunavut, and for the states, MAINE and MAINE alone I am asking for Canadian provinces, not territories. Only one state in the lower 48 goes north of the 49. QJ has named it, but it isn't WA state. Quote Link to comment
QuigleyJones Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 My guess would be NWT, Nunavut the states that are above the 49th parallel are Washingtion for sure and possibly Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota and also maybe Maine. My guess would be NWT, Nunavut, and for the states, MAINE and MAINE alone I am asking for Canadian provinces, not territories. Only one state in the lower 48 goes north of the 49. QJ has named it, but it isn't WA state. To me they are provinces Its Quebec & Newfoundland & Labrador then. However a little know fact is that when the 49th was surveyed they didn't do too good of a job so in areas the US is north of 49 and Canada south. The BC/Washington border is actually at about 49° 0′ 10″. Quote Link to comment
+VO2WW Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Newfoundland and Labrador, Quebec and Maine Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Newfoundland & Labrador, Quebec & Minnesota (Northwest angle in Lake of the Woods) Maine just looks like it is north of 49 because of the map projection. -Donna G Quote Link to comment
+shearzone Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 To me they are provinces Its Quebec & Newfoundland & Labrador then. However a little know fact is that when the 49th was surveyed they didn't do too good of a job so in areas the US is north of 49 and Canada south. The BC/Washington border is actually at about 49° 0′ 10″. Ha! This may be true, but not what I had in mind. That may be a relict of an older datum or just poor surveying. Newfoundland & Labrador, Quebec & Minnesota (Northwest angle in Lake of the Woods) Maine just looks like it is north of 49 because of the map projection. -Donna G These are the answers I'm looking for. Your turn Donna. Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Newfoundland & Labrador, Quebec & Minnesota (Northwest angle in Lake of the Woods) Maine just looks like it is north of 49 because of the map projection. -Donna G These are the answers I'm looking for. Your turn Donna. Sorry for the lateness. I like guessing questions. If you query the word "cache" in NRCANs Geographic Name Query how many names will be returned? (allowing for all wildcard combinations) Quote Link to comment
+Landsharkz Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 How about 13 names? (I can only think of one off the top of my head, but there must be more) Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 42? You folks are way too low.... DonnaG Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 (edited) I don't know how people are supposed to know this one without looking it up on the internet... You would have to know the placenames of everywhere in Canada! But, as I super-cocky, and know everything - 109 Edited November 22, 2006 by Juicepig Quote Link to comment
+northernpenguin Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 42? You folks are way too low.... DonnaG Hmmmm. A guess the jellybeans contest..... 153? Quote Link to comment
+Couparangus Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 CLXI ? Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 CLXI ? You're getting warmer....but still low. Quote Link to comment
danoshimano Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 One MEELLION names. Huh? Uh... One BEELLION names! Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 OK I'll narrow the guesses down a bit - it is divisible by 10 and it's less than 300. -Donna G Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 290 lower Quote Link to comment
+LeGodFather Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 It's just like the Price Is Right! 1$.. uh, I mean 250. Quote Link to comment
+northernpenguin Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 210 260 Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 210 lower Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 210 lower 180! Quote Link to comment
+bdhoun Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I'm to to this, 150. Quote Link to comment
+TheGertridgeExplorers Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 210 lower 180! higher Quote Link to comment
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