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I went looking for 3 or 4 of them. DNF. Just started to seem like a big waste of time to tell ya the truth.

 

Ahhhh...after prying most of the molars out of Jack's skull we get to the meat of the situation. Something's amiss here, Jack, and I think you know it. There are a lot of experienced geocachers lurking on this forum that would be glad to help you out. If you want, we can probably set you on the right path (pun intended). Specifically, if you can tell us which 3 or 4 caches you DNF'd we may be able to figure out what's going on... ;)

The meat?

 

The only meat of those 3 or 4 was they were "stale". They hadn't been logged as found in quite a while except for the one in Spring Mill Park and I didn't find it because the property manager removed it.

 

It's a personality trait that it drives me up a wall when stuff isn't where it's suppose to be. I'm not going out of my way for nor searching all day for something the size of a film can hidden in the woods.

 

I just like orienteering my way around to hunt and fish. It's a challenge always know exactly where I'm at, blah blah, probably about the same as ya'all. I just don't have the patience to search around for something that may not even be there unless it's gold or diamonds, not a hand full of fungus and not just to put my name on a paper. I got a few marked on my GPS and if I'm in the area I may look around a little just to see what the attraction is.

 

Who knows, I may get hooked. I do get a little thrill out of happening on those survey markers. They are where they are suppose to be.

 

It sort of peaked my interest to see a few cachers had evidently been pretty close to some of my "secret" hunting spots. It would be wise not to wear blue, white or red in the woods for about the next month and I'd consider it a personal favor if possible to wait past noon to cache or hunt mushrooms.

 

I know all about "the I got every right.... blah blah" but I got every right to be blasting with my shot gun all the way until dark too, but the absolute crack of dawn to 9 or 10 is magic time. If I had the power I'd take the turkey hunting rules back to the "out by noon" rule and add a no mushroom hunting rule until after noon. The way it is now is chaos and everybody gets screwed up.

So what is the coordinate system you are using on your gpsr?

 

We have also noticed your benchmark find log describes the mark as being north of the RR but the surveyors's description for the mark states it is SOUTH of the RR.

 

We are curious as well as to how you got your "nick"name ... Jack Ryan .. almost sounds sorta like Jack Russell ... Just an observation .

 

Star

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So what is the coordinate system  you are using on your gpsr?

 

We have also noticed your benchmark find log describes the mark as being north of the RR but the surveyors's description for the mark states it is SOUTH of the RR.

 

We are curious as well as to how you got your "nick"name ... Jack Ryan .. almost sounds sorta like Jack Russell ...  Just an observation .

 

Star

Longitude and Lat in degrees and minute with a decimal instead of seconds. I'm not very familiar with the other options much beyond knowing they exist.

 

I drive past that bench mark a couple times a day and that very thought hit me as I was passing it today. I forgot how I'd described and and noticed it was on the north side of the tracks today. Thought I'd described it wrong and meant to check but then forgot it until just now. There is no way the mark can be on the south side. It's just a steep bank you could hardly even walk up. The little disk I think is the mark is in a huge block of cement. It's not going any where.

 

I did notice today some of the caches I'd looked for weren't as "stale" as I'd thought. I was looking at the date they were established instead of last found. A couple of them have been found this year.

 

I post on a lot of boards of all types. Mostly politics and hunting and fishing boards. I got the nick years ago when I first started. The board thing was just intended as a temporay entertainment thing and I was wrapping up what was the current last book Clancy had written with the Ryan character.

 

I started trolling some board under the names of all the characters in the books and sooner or later a subject came up I wanted to discuss for myself rather than the character. Then another then another. Before long I was Jack Ryan. I use it on all messege boards I post on. People call me that when I see people from the boards in the real world now. I even get junk mail and the Investor's Business Daily in that name now. It's kind of odd.

 

I'm leading a double life, LOL. I should have stuck with the Clark moniker.

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DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 1.6 MI E FROM HURON. ABOUT 1.55 MILES EAST ALONG THE BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD FROM THE CROSSING OF ROAD NUMBER 1036W AT HURON, IN SECTION 4, T 3 N, R 2 W, AT MILEPOST 136-20 AND A ROAD CROSSING, 10 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTH RAIL, SET IN THE TOP OF AN ABANDONED CONCRETE BASE FOR A SEMAPHORE SIGNAL, 71 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER LINE OF U.S. HIGHWAY 50, 24 FEET WEST OF THE CENTER LINE OF ROAD NUMBER 980S, 5.2 FEET SOUTHWEST OF A ROAD CROSSING SIGN, ABOUT LEVEL WITH THE TRACK.

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DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 1.6 MI E FROM HURON. ABOUT 1.55 MILES EAST ALONG THE BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD FROM THE CROSSING OF ROAD NUMBER 1036W AT HURON, IN SECTION 4, T 3 N, R 2 W, AT MILEPOST 136-20 AND A ROAD CROSSING, 10 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTH RAIL, SET IN THE TOP OF AN ABANDONED CONCRETE BASE FOR A SEMAPHORE SIGNAL, 71 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER LINE OF U.S. HIGHWAY 50, 24 FEET WEST OF THE CENTER LINE OF ROAD NUMBER 980S, 5.2 FEET SOUTHWEST OF A ROAD CROSSING SIGN, ABOUT LEVEL WITH THE TRACK.

And There lies the problem Jack !

 

Your Found log states it quite differently :

 

Pass this one every day. West side of county road, south of the train track.

 

Sorry I am not trying to confuse you , really just trying to help .

 

So you just join forums to chat then , not actually because you like the sport/game?

 

Seems like a lot of trouble to go thru to join if yer not into geocaching .

 

Star

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[since when did 6" of snow become a bad thing for a sled dog?

It's not a bad thing for them even tho they've started to blow their winter coats. tHEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT COMFORTABLE UNLESS THE TEMP IS BELOW 32-- But despite being the LEAD DOG, and unlike Mr. Grumpy Patrick, I'm a human, and I want some HOT GEOCACHING SUNSHINE!!!! :(

 

BTW--I've gotten a ruling from the Ethics Committee of GEOISQ--They say that smileys on caches that were found BEFORE they were ISQ's won't count on on the Leaderboard, since when they were hunted they weren't ISQ's. This would apply to converted caches from Jolly Roger (13 ghosts) and Team Tigger International (Crissy the Skunk Woman and Amazing Grace). However new finds will count. I know, I know, some of you don't think this is fair--Well you always have recourse to petition your cause to the Appeals Board. They are elected, after all ,and do have some pull with the Ethics Committee, even tho those venerable gentleman were appointed to life terms. --LEAD DOG

 

B)B):o

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DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 1.6 MI E FROM HURON. ABOUT 1.55 MILES EAST ALONG THE BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD FROM THE CROSSING OF ROAD NUMBER 1036W AT HURON, IN SECTION 4, T 3 N, R 2 W, AT MILEPOST 136-20 AND A ROAD CROSSING, 10 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTH RAIL, SET IN THE TOP OF AN ABANDONED CONCRETE BASE FOR A SEMAPHORE SIGNAL, 71 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTER LINE OF U.S. HIGHWAY 50, 24 FEET WEST OF THE CENTER LINE OF ROAD NUMBER 980S, 5.2 FEET SOUTHWEST OF A ROAD CROSSING SIGN, ABOUT LEVEL WITH THE TRACK.

And There lies the problem Jack !

 

Your Found log states it quite differently :

 

Pass this one every day. West side of county road, south of the train track.

 

Sorry I am not trying to confuse you , really just trying to help .

 

So you just join forums to chat then , not actually because you like the sport/game?

 

Seems like a lot of trouble to go thru to join if yer not into geocaching .

 

Star

How'd I say it?

 

The rail is south of the mark. The mark is north of the railroad.

 

The rail road generally runs east and west and the county road cross's it at 90 degrees. Standing in the middle of the tracks and the county road at the same time facing north and extend your left hand at a 45 degree angle between front and left. Now extend a suitable finger and you'll be pointing directly at the surveyors mark in the big cement thing they are talking about.

 

It was my first logged "find". I don't know the protocal yet evidently.

 

=Edited below to clear brain fog.-

 

I must need to get more sleep.

 

When I passed that thing yesterday, my first thought was I had logged that wrong. Then I read it last night after you mentioned and I could have sworn my logged said the noth side. It wasn't the way I remembered writing it but that sure was the way I read it.

 

Evidently I've just now totally comprehended what I read in your quotes of my own log and see what you are saying. Any way, I know where it is.

 

I'll take a little nap now and read it all over again tonight.

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It's not a bad thing for them even tho they've started to blow their winter coats. tHEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT COMFORTABLE UNLESS THE TEMP IS BELOW 32-- But despite being the LEAD DOG, and unlike Mr. Grumpy Patrick, I'm a human, and I want some HOT GEOCACHING  SUNSHINE!!!! B)

 

I've got a sad story about Smokey and a Doberman if you want to hear it and have a hanky handy.

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So you just join forums to chat then , not actually because you like the sport/game?

 

Seems like a lot of trouble to go thru to join if yer not into geocaching .

 

Star

I like gadgets.

 

I like GPS and topos and compasses.

 

I like going out finding stuff not just everybody else has seen and I don't like a bunch of signs telling me where to go and when to go there all the time and I don't like a pack of people telling me I have to do what their sign says.

 

I really shouldn't say I've come to a final conclusion on GC. I like the secret messege and treasure hunt aspect.

 

I guess I'd like it better if I'd thought of it.

 

...but yeah, I join forums that look interesting just to chat. There aren't that many interesting people around ya know. Ya gotta take 'em where ya find 'em or accept a life of conversing with dolts.

 

Is that a problem?

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So ... geocaching .

 

Star

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...but yeah, I join forums that look interesting just to chat. There aren't that many interesting people around ya know. Ya gotta take 'em where ya find 'em or accept a life of conversing with dolts.

 

Is that a problem?

TOP 10 REASONS TO VISIT THE GC.COM FORUMS

 

10. Golfball recipes

9. The chance to meet exciting babes and studs and... yeah, right.

8. Because even "FreeCell" gets old after a while.

7. That call from the White House is never gonna happen. Might as well play.

6. Stirring those ol' Hoosier/Buckeye/Kentuckian feuds is just SO much fun.

5. The wife has the porn filters in place and won't give you the password.

4. You can't visit Pogo.com since that stalking conviction.

3. You like dogs. And have a permit to carry one in most states.

2. Yout grammar and spelling skills are far less important than your ability to find insect repellant in the trunk of someone else's car.

1. Ever since the war you've been searching, yearning for a place just like this.

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Would anybody out there like to adopt an adorable, well behaved, very gentlemanly and cute Parson Russell Terrier that is very low maintenance and doesn't eat much? Lead Dog is a terrible dog caregiver, and is DEMENTED when it comes to geocaching. I've had it with him! His stupid rusty old truck broke down this morning and he leaves me to guard it, all by myself with some lame story about mean junkyard dogs. Then he leaves to go to the junkyard to get parts, and when he comes back two hours later he's all raving about how they passed this graveyard on the way back that he and I had previously tried to hid a cache in, but there was a funeral going on so we couldn't, and he just happened to have a 35mm cache left over in the pocket of his rain parka, and had his camera with him, so they hid the cache even without a GPSr because he can get coords from the topo and make it an offset, and what fun they had and I'm stuck in this broke down truck and it's not fair. So I ask him about the ferocious junkyard dogs they encountered and they said it was a black bird dog that kept pointing at something, but they never saw anything except a calico cat. And then they're talking about jagged rusty metal and broken glass and footdeep mud and how it's no place for a little dog, but I'm TOUGH and I don't like it when I can't go along! But anyway we borrowed a truck that's much better than Lead Dog's... Anyway I am very good at finding and hiding caches if anyone wants me to come stay with them Please send me a picture of your fireplce and your refrigerator.. I like peanut butter and popcorn to eat, I love to play with kitties and take long walks on the beach

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::(

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Don't believe a word that little white socipath says in the post above. The bi-polar little ankle biter lives in an alternative fantasy world and wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him on the head! The only thing remotely realistic about what he said above is his liking for peanut butter and popcorn!

 

Oh, BTW I've got a neat new idea for a geocache series--It's going to be called "Indiana Auto Salvage Quest" and it will be a tour of auto junkyards in northern Indiana--with clues like "look in the glove box of the light blue Studebaker Pick-up Truck" or "call the black dog over to you with a hotdog for bait--the coordinates are written on his collar..." the possibilities are endless--"Ask the guys in the shop where the '57 Chevy with the 283 is.. On a heading of 387 degrees go 40 meters to the '71 GMC Grand Sierra Suburban yada yada yada--Anybody want to help me with this? Torry? :rolleyes:

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Don't believe a word that little white socipath says in the post above. The bi-polar little ankle biter lives in an alternative fantasy world and wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him on the head! The only thing remotely realistic about what he said above is his liking for peanut butter and popcorn!

 

Poor Poor Little Patrick ... its ok Precious stills is enamored with you and says if you really think you should leave LeadDog alone well then We suppose you could come stay with us .....

We have the good Milkbones here.

 

Star

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Longitude and Lat in degrees and minute with a decimal instead of seconds. I'm not very familiar with the other options much beyond knowing they exist.

 

If you were to decide to try looking for a cache again, it would be a great help to you if you were to set your GPSr to WGS84 and use the degrees minutes seconds format.

I'm feeling helpful at the moment. :rolleyes:

 

Wulf

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Hey guys,

I need some input here. I have a couple of caches on DNR property. I just received the permit denials today. Minor stuff that's no big deal to fix. Some, as simple as changing things on the cache page. (such as stating certain property rules).

 

The kicker is, the caches have to be disabled during ALL hunting seasons. That would be the next three weeks of turkey season. Then the biggy. Aug15 thru Jan1. I figure total downtime five months. Don't know about anyone else, but my caching in northern Indiana in Jan & Feb is almost nothing. So add two more months.

 

Is it worth it to them going? (assuming gc.com will even allow the downtime)

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Hey guys,

I need some input here. I have a couple of caches on DNR property. I just received the permit denials today. Minor stuff that's no big deal to fix. Some, as simple as changing things on the cache page. (such as stating certain property rules).

 

The kicker is, the caches have to be disabled during ALL hunting seasons. That would be the next three weeks of turkey season. Then the biggy. Aug15 thru Jan1. I figure total downtime five months. Don't know about anyone else, but my caching in northern Indiana in Jan & Feb is almost nothing. So add two more months.

 

Is it worth it to them going? (assuming gc.com will even allow the downtime)

If you are talking about the Caches I think you are ... Yeah it's worth it ...

 

I just loved those caches of yours !

 

Star

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And the Number one reason to go geocaching:There's always the chance that Some day Angelina Jolie may be out caching and you'll meet her on a trail in the woods, and she'll either kick your arse or kiss you on the cheek and give you a autographed 8x10 color glossy photo... :rolleyes:

I hadn't thought of that one.

 

Guess I'll HAVE to give it another try.

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If you were to decide to try looking for a cache again, it would be a great help to you if you were to set your GPSr to WGS84 and use the degrees minutes seconds format.

I'm feeling helpful at the moment. :rolleyes:

 

Wulf

That would be a new trick for an old dog? It doesn't sound promising.

 

Why would that make a difference when the coordinates are all in Long Lat?

 

Is the an informational page explaining the specifics of what WGS84 is?

 

I'm not sure my Garmin EMap even has that.

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The kicker is, the caches have to be disabled during ALL hunting seasons. That would be the next three weeks of turkey season. Then the biggy. Aug15 thru Jan1.

 

I like it, but I don't see their logic for it from them. I didn't see any rule on the DNR page where they discussed cacheing and display the permit request disallowing any time frame. Is this a general denial for all DNR propertys or just one in particular that see's a lot of hunting pressure?

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Is it worth it to them going? (assuming gc.com will even allow the downtime)

This is really a sad state of affairs. You are going to have to enable and disable the cache each time seasons come in and go out--pretty tricky. If you want to do it, go for it BGF. As for the SixDogTeam, we think the IDNR's licensing policy is an absurd waste of their (actually the taxpayers) resources in time and money, and we are not going to participate in this type of petty government intrusion... WE have a number of what we consider very nice caches on state property, but if they have to die, so be it. There are still plenty of telephone poles and guard rails... :rolleyes:

 

BTW, if they are banning geocaching during hunting seasons, are all other allowed activities--hiking, mountain biking, snowmobiling, mushroom hunting etc. also banned during hunting seasons and are there signs to that effect?--I know our properties down here are multiple use, or they have been in the past... :rolleyes:

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  Is it worth it to them going? (assuming gc.com will even allow the downtime)

This is really a sad state of affairs. You are going to have to enable and disable the cache each time seasons come in and go out--pretty tricky. If you want to do it, go for it BGF. As for the SixDogTeam, we think the IDNR's licensing policy is an absurd waste of their (actually the taxpayers) resources in time and money, and we are not going to participate in this type of petty government intrusion... WE have a number of what we consider very nice caches on state property, but if they have to die, so be it. There are still plenty of telephone poles and guard rails... :rolleyes:

 

BTW, if they are banning geocaching during hunting seasons, are all other allowed activities--hiking, mountain biking, snowmobiling, mushroom hunting etc. also banned during hunting seasons and are there signs to that effect?--I know our properties down here are multiple use, or they have been in the past... :(

Well said LeadDog.....

 

I dunno but I think they are over regulating geocaching in this case. Or any case such as that goes . Disabling and enabling a cache just because of hunting seasons .. what could the possible reasons for that be ?

 

Protecting Cachers ?

 

I don't see how that excuse holds water though , cuz if that was the case they would have to ban hunting as well to protect Hunters from each other as well ....:rolleyes:

 

As far as I know everyone is still allowed to venture into the woods to hike and birdwatch no matter the season , same with using the property to fish . ITs all so confusing ! I just don't understand why the IDNR has to be so difficult.

 

Just glad that some Parks Departments that are more local , like Lagrange County Parks Department and the Elkhart County Parks Dept. in Indiana , and the Metro Parks Dept of Detroit MI run programs on geocaching and are encouraging caching. Heck some of them even place great caches for us to find .

 

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The property in question is a Fish & Wildlife Area. Actually a multiple use property, similiar to state forests in that aspect. However, hunting is the primary use of the property. Revenue from hunting and fishing is the main source of funding for the area.

 

Safety isn't an issue. It's to eliminate possible interference to hunters. Being a hunter myself (more ex-hunter now), I can understand that with the upcoming turkey season. Someone walking through an area will blow the mornings hunt.

 

The biggest complaint from hunters is, and has been, mushroom hunting. However no efforts have ever been taken to control mushroomers. Such as limiting the hours to at least after 12:00. That would be after the prime time for hunting turkey.

I've been at the property during peak mushroom time, and you would think it was a Thanksgiving sale at WM. Beginning at daybreak!

 

There wasn't any provisions for time frame restrictions in the new regulations, but if you read it carefully, the individual property manager has the final say in how any cache may or may not be placed on the property he manages.

 

I think we will see a lot of variations in requirements for caches across the state. Especially as the type of property will vary from parks to forest area.

 

 

I dunno, but it sure seems like a lot of down time. The cache maintainance still would be the same. One is practically maintainance-free, but the other is high-maintainance to keep it as placed.

 

I mailed gc.com to see if they will allow the downtime or not. The caches may be considered as temporary and no longer permitted. I know they do have some sort of guidelines for the length of time a cache can be disabled.

 

It could be worse, as I see other nearby states are even more restrictive, and charge exorbitant fees for a cache placement.

 

:rolleyes::(:rolleyes::)

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BTW, if they are banning geocaching during hunting seasons, are all other allowed activities--hiking, mountain biking, snowmobiling, mushroom hunting etc. also banned during hunting seasons and are there signs to that effect?--I know our properties down here are multiple use, or they have been in the past... :o

This exemplafies why I don't understand their position concerning Geo Caching during hunting seasons. They don't restrict any other activity based on those guidlines other than to recomend season appropriate clothing and behaviour.

 

Suggestion. If you see a hunter and are concerned they are not aware of your presence, NEVER WAVE OR MOTION to signal your presence. ALWAYS ISSUE AUDIBLE WARNINGS such as whistle or speak to alert them you are present.

 

Normaly just a short whistle is all that is required. They most likely are already aware and will signal back to indicate such and all may proceed with their activity safely.

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No snow here this morning, 40 degrees and constant wind. Pretty breezy.

 

I've seen a lot worse. Like when the lights went out couple days ago and it was raining buckets. Buckets with wate in 'em too.

 

I cut the grass all morning and I'm gona go out and do the trimming if I can catch the weed wacker next blow around.

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We have also noticed your benchmark find log describes the mark as being north of the RR but the surveyors's description for the mark states it is SOUTH of the RR.

 

I think I just noticed I'm not the only one to get what I was saying mixed up with what I was meaning I thought I'd read.

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~mYSTERY dOG~, The world's 2nd most adorable dog has placed her first Indiana Spirit Quest Cache, and it's a winner. It's already been found, the FTF must have ocurred minutes after it was published... Anyway here it is:

 

oops can'd do a link, cause it's a dynamic page-oh well look it up on newest Indiana caches ISQ # 187...

 

Congratulations little doggy, you did a great job!! Patrick blows you a kiss from under his quilt of many colors--he's hibernating today.

 

:D:o:D:D:D:D:D:o:D

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Speaking of wonderful, I'd so love to join Patrick under his quilt and help keep him warm. Oof!

 

Future Mrs. Patrick

In colonial times that was known as "Bundling", M.D. But there was always a board placed between the participates--those new england winters were so cold in log cabins you had to find a way to stay warm no matter what you were doing! And speaking of cold weather, despite it, we're getting a respectable find count on ISQ's this weekend, crazy people!! :o

 

BTW, M.D., I wouldn't mention the word "Marriage" around the Earthdog--you'll scare him off for sure... :o

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Shows you how dense I am. I :wub: thought sleepless referred to Wulf's Canadian ISQ idea, which has been mentioned but not elaborated on...

 

BTW--all you ISQ seekers: If you want credit on the stats Leaderboard for FTF"s you have to state that you are the FTF in your smilie log--I don't visit each cache page, I read your logs via watchlist email--so I can't tell if you are FTF or not, uless you mention it... Who will be the 3,000th ISQ logger?? A couple of weekends of nice weather ought to get us there...

 

:(B):wub:

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Shows you how dense I am. I :( thought sleepless referred to Wulf's Canadian ISQ idea, which has been mentioned but not elaborated on...

 

BTW--all you ISQ seekers: If you want credit on the stats Leaderboard for FTF"s you have to state that you are the FTF in your smilie log--I don't visit each cache page, I read your logs via watchlist email--so I can't tell if you are FTF or not, uless you mention it... Who will be the 3,000th ISQ logger?? A couple of weekends of nice weather ought to get us there...

 

:(:wub:B)

I keep trying to get the Canadian ISQ thing started LeadDog , but Wulf is a little slow to start and is trying to work things out so that no one up there gets offended by them or something like that ... Perhaps he will chime in here with something soon.

 

He can explain it better I hope ! :wub:

 

Star

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Hey Torry! Torry's on the computer! Lemme help! kdfmiaijwiqoqwekafn That was fun! Can I type? xcvmfdlkgjreiuwqpoioiw WHEEEEEE! I pooped in your cache bag. Hi Torry! Whatcha doin'? Feed me! Pet me. Wanna see my butt? Hi Torry! Fluffy farted. Did not. Did too. No, it was Frisky. Yup, That's one of mine. Hi Torry!

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