National Park reasoning?

August 11, 2003

I noticed on the guidelines for caches that they could not be placed on grounds run by the national park service. I was wondering if anyone knew the reasoning/history behind this. Not near railway stations is clear; not in national parks, not so clear.

thanks!

8.4k · August 11, 2003

#1 Because they can.

#2 Because more people might decide to use these great resources and they would have to clean the bathrooms more often.

#3 They don't want people there in the first place. They think they're saving them for something.

Sngans

Sacred cows make the best hamburger....Mark Twain.

August 11, 2003

"Reasoning"??? Bureaucratic authorities need a reason?? Gee, where are you from? (I like the concept though - reminds me a bit of the U.S.Constitution.)

I understand that the position of the NPS is that you are not allowed to do anything in their parks unless you give them a reason. And so far the reasons given by geocachers have not been good enough.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

August 11, 2003

Human traffic essentially... You are disturbing the animals and their habitat and destroying nature by just walking around. ()

I know its a lame rule, but whats even worse is when some other treehugger putz removes your cache without telling you and throws it away! It's happened to me before.

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38.2k · August 11, 2003

Seneca, your recent Libertarian tinged posts surprise me...pleasantly.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

24.7k · August 11, 2003

Throngs of people create throngs of rules.

Take the banana slug for example. My kids and I went to Redwood National Park. We drove in aways and walked a trail. Just off the trail was a banana slug. These things are big and yellow and my kids stepped 5' off the trail to look at it. A ranger had come up behind us and yelled at us "Get back on the trail!" I tell her we were looking at a banana slug but she is utterly unimpressed and so we are herded back on the trail.

Then the truth dawned on me. Most NPS employees are Border Collies. They have to heard you onto the trail. They live to heard you onto the trail. The mantra they wake to is to herd people onto the trial. A geocache makes people stop and look, this is bad because when you are looking you are not in line on the trail.

So they called it litter and used the abandonded property rules to ban them.

August 11, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by BrianSnat:
Seneca, your recent Libertarian tinged posts surprise me...pleasantly.

BrianSnat, it surprises me that you are surprised. I don’t think I have ever posted anything on these forums that is inconsistent with my “Libertarian” leaning. I of course have certain personal standards and values, and I do not hesitate to to cast my personal judgement against those whose actions or words contravene them. That however is quite different than believing that my government (or anyone else’s) should uphold my standards and values with freedom killing regulation.

BTW - I would not describe myself as a pure Libertarian (I think I accept more regulation than a real Libertarian would) and I still have the greatest respect for the “rule of law”.

I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me.

[This message was edited by seneca on August 11, 2003 at 09:25 PM.]

1.2k · August 12, 2003

Actually, if you'll recall (I'm sure someone will) there was a cacher out in the area of I believe Yellowstone National Park (?) who actually BURIED a couple of caches on NPS land and set them off. The activity was banned on all NPS lands after that. If someone remembers the details better than I do it might give a bit more perspective to the debate.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't agree with banning it, but if what I remember is even close to accurate, I understand their initial impression of our sport was extremely bad, at least from their point of view. I just don't want the NPS to take ALL the blame if it's not accurate. I'm sure, at this point, they're set in their opinion and it will be very difficult to move them off it, but I hope we still try.

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

August 12, 2003

Although I would like NPS to allow caches on their grounds, could imagine their reasoning.

In a couple of caches I have been, I have been able to find the cache by just watching/following the "destruction path" some earlier cache finder created. Not everyone does that. Some people are carefull to create minimum damage, and try to leave minimum/no trace.

Lets be carefull. If we all try to show the world we are not damaging the environment, just having fun... We may be welcomed in more places in the future.

-- Felinus

-- Keep finding.

7.4k · August 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Breaktrack:
Actually, if you'll recall (I'm sure someone will) there was a cacher out in the area of I believe Yellowstone National Park (?) who actually BURIED a couple of caches on NPS land and set them off.

Not exactly. The NPS first indicated that they were aware of Geocaching in this Morning Report, which was the start of things. Later on, a couple of caches (1, 2) were placed in the Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area here in Washington State. These were pulled by a ranger who stated that all NPS-administered lands were off-limits, not just the National Parks themselves. This incident also made it into another Morning Report. Unfortunately, the report painted an extremely negative picture of the sport. The worst part was that they completely misrepresented how fuzzybear's caches were hidden - they were not buried at all. The damage was done, however, and all National Park land is now off-limits to geocaching.

FYI, it looks like the Morning Reports website is currently down, so the links above may not work.

August 12, 2003

Living between Glacier and Yellowstone National Parks as I do, I think there's certainly plenty of places within their boundaries where geocaches do not fit, such as in the middle of a geyser basin or among the subalpine vegetation.

No responsible geocacher would choose such a hiding spot, you say? Perhaps, but five minutes reading the forums is enough to show that not everyone is responsible, nor can the approvers catch every asinine hide.

Sad though it is, our national parks are strapped for money and personnel, and the last thing the rangers need is yet another demand on their limited resources. Since all those responsible geocachers would be asking permission (you would, wouldn't you?), someone will need to go out and confirm that your desired hiding place will be appropriate.

You want geocaches in national parks? More power to you. But you better be lobbying for more federal support for the Park Service at the same time.

Ron/yumitori

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1.2k · August 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Moun10Bike:

quote:
Originally posted by Breaktrack:
Actually, if you'll recall (I'm sure someone will) there was a cacher out in the area of I believe Yellowstone National Park (?) who actually BURIED a couple of caches on NPS land and set them off.

Not exactly. The NPS first indicated that they were aware of Geocaching in http://data2.itc.nps.gov/morningreport/archive/2001/03-21.doc, which was the start of things. Later on, a couple of caches (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=a221990c-7508-4ac3-a473-d65b6e1f8d60, http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=0162c31b-3baa-4f1f-b95f-03ded1c1da1d) were placed in the Lake Roosevelt National Recreation Area here in Washington State. These were pulled by a ranger who stated that all NPS-administered lands were off-limits, not just the National Parks themselves. This incident also made it into another http://data2.itc.nps.gov/morningreport/archive/2002/03-11.doc. Unfortunately, the report painted an extremely negative picture of the sport. The worst part was that they completely misrepresented how fuzzybear's caches were hidden - they were not buried at all. The damage was done, however, and all National Park land is now off-limits to geocaching.

FYI, it looks like the Morning Reports website is currently down, so the links above may not work.

http://geocachingwa.org

Ah HA! I knew one of you guys would remember this story better than I had... just had to prod you a bit with some inaccurate information....LOL.

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

24.7k · August 12, 2003

I've got tentative permission to place a cache in the Great Rift National Landmark. This area probably has a new name by now. Still, it's administred jointly by the BLM and the NPS. The BLM suggested a good location and I just have to get out there with a can in hand...

August 12, 2003

Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

(And, I pay your salary, on top of it).

See the Missing lyrics from Woodie Guthrie's "This Land was Made for You & Me"

38.2k · August 12, 2003

quote:
In a couple of caches I have been, I have been able to find the cache by just watching/following the "destruction path" some earlier cache finder created.

The so called destruction path you followed, is little different than game trails formed by deer and other animals. It has about an equal impact on the environment. Funny thing. Go back in two months and it's unlikely you'll know anyone was there.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

August 12, 2003

I wrote an email to ask permission to place a cache in a national park in Virginia, here is the response I received.

"Dear Mr. Franco:

Thank you for your inquiry into placing a geocache on NPS property in the Billy Goat Trail area of the Park. Unfortunatly we cannot permit you to place a geocache in the park. All National Park sites have regulations against leaving property unattended. Some would even consider a cache as litter. While we are sure many hobbiest like yourself have a deep understanding and care for the environment, we have encountered numerous geochaches which have indeed altered and impacted natural and cultural resources such as hollowed out tree branches, stacked rocks and holes dug in the ground.

We have been locating and removing geochaches for some time here at the C&O Canal and commonly contact the individuals involved and have taken action against them. We have tried to educate those in violation and have found success in doing so. This may be why you were unable to find any reference to a geocache in the Great Falls area.

Please assist us in keeping the park clean and preserved for all to enjoy.

Keith Kelly

District Ranger

"

4.4k · August 12, 2003

Take Pride In America

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http://www.takepride.gov

We all need to have a mission to be a part of this ongoing diaolog.

It seems to me we need to have an efficient way to take advantage of all resources.

I do not as an American want to be left behind in the policies that are set forth for our future generations.

The Government is (suppose to be (OF,FOR and BY) the People,and not for beauracraticic goals.

Lets all see what we can do to make a diffrence in America,this is our Generation and we all ought to be wise enough to set things in motion for the betterment of the Nation as a Whole.

This is still the LAND of the FREE and the HOME of the BRAVE.

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1.6k · August 12, 2003

Here is a copy of the email I sent to the Secretary of the Interior:

I am a geocacher. We engage in a sport that uses GPS coordinates to find hidden stashes of items located at various locations world-wide. We have a website (www.geocaching.com) that has global membership.

We have a recurring concern that this sport is banned from all federal land, particularly all land managed by the NPS and the FWS. The rule appears to be absolute and without regard to the nature of the land in question. We are confused by this rule and its absolutist nature, especially in light of the other activities allowed by the DOI in these areas (snow mobiling, mountain climbing) and the increased usage of less used parks that would occur with geocaching.

It would be very kind of you to have someone in your office address this issue and see if we can come to a more clear understanding of the concerns of the DOI in establishing this ban. Would you be willing to have a staff member speak to this on our forum on www.geocaching.com?

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

Maybe if we try to go to the top, we can get some action regarding some resolution of the question.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nebraskache/

August 12, 2003

quote:
In a couple of caches I have been, I have been able to find the cache by just watching/following the "destruction path" some earlier cache finder created. Not everyone does that. Some people are carefull to create minimum damage, and try to leave minimum/no trace.

It sounds to me like maybe there was a need for a

trail there. Just a minute, I'll be right there...

I was looking for an abandoned cemetery last weekend,

and at one point though I was on a trail of some sort...

until I saw large circles of grass that had been trampled.

After a minute I realized they were places where

animals (probably deer) had laid down at night. There was

a lot more vegetation trampled than a few people looking

for a cache would cause... heck, they didn't even bother

to minimize the damage by treading lightly!

[This message was edited by Mark 42 on August 12, 2003 at 01:56 PM.]

38.2k · August 12, 2003

quote:
Dear Mr. Franco:

Thank you for your inquiry into placing a geocache on NPS property in the Billy Goat Trail area of the Park. Unfortunatly we cannot permit you to place a geocache in the park. All National Park sites have regulations against leaving property unattended. Some would even consider a cache as litter. While we are sure many hobbiest like yourself have a deep understanding and care for the environment, we have encountered numerous geochaches which have indeed altered and impacted natural and cultural resources such as hollowed out tree branches, stacked rocks and holes dug in the ground.

We have been locating and removing geochaches for some time here at the C&O Canal and commonly contact the individuals involved and have taken action against them. We have tried to educate those in violation and have found success in doing so. This may be why you were unable to find any reference to a geocache in the Great Falls area.

Please assist us in keeping the park clean and preserved for all to enjoy.

Keith Kelly

yeah, but they allow snowmobiles, ATV's, horse packing, camping and grazing of animals. Go figure. "Stacked rocks"...Oh, the horror!

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day" - Dave Barry

1.2k · August 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

(And, I pay your salary, on top of it).

_

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/this-land.shtml _

Oh yeah, that'll work.....LOL. Boy, to be a fly on the wall....

"Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life.

24.7k · August 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

(And, I pay your salary, on top of it).

_

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/this-land.shtml _

Then you can add "while you are at it check out my 44". On second thought, don't. Idaho is why rangers go armed now.

4.4k · August 12, 2003

The reasoning is that a (Cache) is not a natural feature therefore considered trash.................

Well what about their Monuments,signs,trash cans,roads,bear traps the list goes on about what is not Natural?????.

On our Public Lands.

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TAKE PRIDE IN AMERICA

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**1803-2003** "LOUSIANA PURCHASE"

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"LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION"

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Initial Points Page

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August 12, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

(And, I pay your salary, on top of it).

_

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/this-land.shtml _

The cop that hauls you off to the pokey is going to love you telling him that you pay his salary too. That ranger may not personally own the land, but he has a lot more power to make your life miserable than the other way around.

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

(And, I pay your salary, on top of it).

_

http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/this-land.shtml _

Not actually. "You" don't own the land. "We" do. And we have hired him to maintain and regulate it. Sure, some Rangers are full of it and all, but most of them do a great job for very little of "your" money. Then they have to deal with people like "you".

Bluespreacher

"We've got the hardware and the software, the plans and the maps ..." -- Citizen Wayne Kramer

2.3k · August 13, 2003

What efforts are underway or already done to address this with NPS to educate them as to the benign and benefits of geocaching?

How can I help?

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Free your mind and the rest will follow

4.4k · August 13, 2003

Do like I did and contact your Congressman and Senator.

I had some things,to discuss and are on-going in Congress now about aspects to complex to go into in this discussion.

They know about Geocaching in Washinton D.C.!

I have been doing what I can through the www.usafreedomcorps.gov

I even got to meet President Bush when I was helping with the Tornado at Pierce City Mo.5-4-2003.

I was the only responder to have a GPS at that time, and am in the process of Re-mapping the Barry County Area for Emergency search and rescue.(The Sheriff just purchased 15 Meridian Golds),And all the new additions of houses.

You think you are prepared,but until you have witnessed this first hand it is shrugged off as not a (must) to be done,but when your Town is wiped out you think a little diffrently.

I have had no problems here yet and am glad to see that here at least,they are on our side.

I am sure that this is the same through out the country and the reasoning is that (they)do not have it done (Precise mapping) and are in my opinion,trying to cover their a**.

By keeping you frustrated in the areas in ? you tend to go away and not pursue the goal.

Like with me its been 10 years of working to get these things to a even point.

But you see it every where now(GPS) mapping. and even the new National Spatial Reference System is being (implemented),changed.

Youuns do not realize that (we)at Geocaching in general are smarter than the average bears,and policies are being written around us.

Take a stand Volunteer and make a diffrence.You have the same opportunities as Mr. Ranger.

As the Lord Said:

There will be those who do even greater works than I.

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS *GEOTRYAGAIN*

TAKE PRIDE IN AMERICA

http://www.doi.gov/news/front_current.html

**1803-2003** "LOUSIANA PURCHASE"

http://www.lapurchase.org

"LEWIS AND CLARK EXPADITION"

http://lewisclark.geog.missouri.edu/

Initial Points Page

http://www.True-Meridiansubscribe@yahoogroups.com

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
Just look the ranger right in the eye, and say "do YOU own this land?"

Whne he says "No", just respond with "Then get the hell out of my way, because I DO!"

The ranger is an equal owner of the land as you.

And HE pays YOUR salary.

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"The time has come" the Walrus said "to speak of many things; of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and Kings".

August 13, 2003

You guys really didn't recognize it was a joke?

The Ranger doesn't pay my salary...

I'm not a gummit worker.

But, you could buy plenty of land for your own use. Just kick the ranger in the shins, and have a friend with a videocamera begin taping just after that.

But, it really is our land. I get tired of certain groups always getting special treatment.

Where I jog, for many years motorcycles were allowed. Then the horse riders got them banned. I'd much rather have the motorcycles. Motorcycle exhaust doesn't damage the carpet in my car & house. Motorcycle trailers take only two instead of 3 or 4 parking spaces.

Motorcyclists don't ***** about me making too much noise as I jog by them.

Legally, in the area I jog, Motorcycles, Bicycles and Horses (and any thing else ridden) is not legal, according the the codes that are cited on the (new) signs that say "No Motor Vehicles".

Some people bought houses around that forest because it was legal to ride dirt bikes there... and then the selfish equestrians got them banned. They will get the bicycles banned if they can figure out a way to demonize them next.

Yes, I'm bitter. And I have no motorcycle to ride in that forest. I jog, and I'd be okay with the strict, literal, letter of the law interpretation of the law... except that all the trails would begin to get overgrown.

I hope that someday we will be able to put away

our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

August 13, 2003

FYI,

That post by MARK42 with the big brush mower contains some sort of active link. It tried to put a cookie on my computer from countryhomeproducts.com

Mickey

Max Entropy

More than just a name, a lifestyle.

August 13, 2003

You bet. The LAST thing that they want is for more people to come to the parks, pay the fees on top of the taxes that they already pay and enjoy the parks!

Their main interest is to preserve the parks so that future generations may be denied use of them also. For more information, read the Yosemite master plan.

quote:
Originally posted by yumitori:
Living between Glacier and Yellowstone National Parks as I do, I think there's certainly plenty of places within their boundaries where geocaches do not fit, such as in the middle of a geyser basin or among the subalpine vegetation.

No responsible geocacher would choose such a hiding spot, you say? Perhaps, but five minutes reading the http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=4016058331&m=61660757 is enough to show that not everyone is responsible, nor can the approvers catch every asinine hide.

Sad though it is, our national parks are strapped for money and personnel, and the last thing the rangers need is yet another demand on their limited resources. Since all those responsible geocachers would be asking permission (you would, wouldn't you?), someone will need to go out and confirm that your desired hiding place will be appropriate.

You want geocaches in national parks? More power to you. But you better be lobbying for more federal support for the Park Service at the same time.

Ron/yumitori

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Remember what the dormouse said...

Mickey

Max Entropy

More than just a name, a lifestyle.

August 13, 2003

Umm, either you'been hittin' the crack pipe too much, or your computer has a virus.

Do a right click on the picture, and select "properties", and look at the URL... it's only a jpeg image. I didn't think there's a way that they can do anything like place a cookie on your machine (But, I'll admit I could be wrong).

I suggest you run a good virus check (seriously).

Something similar happened to a guy on the Maximum Suzuki Forum. The virus intercepted picture URL's and put in porno ads (on almost everything he opened on the internet).

Here is a link to the message thread, in which he also got answers for how to fix the problem.

http://www.maximum-suzuki.com/ibf/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=20486

You may even want to have a look and bookmark it JIC.

August 13, 2003

Well, I went to internet options, deleted all of my temp files, deleted all of my cookies (which means I now have to re-login to everything I do), brought up this page, checked all of the files in my Temp directory, and the only thing from countryhomeproducts was the temp copy of the jpeg, no cookie.

Maybe you're getting a false alert?

This is interesting... makes me curious what is & what can & can't be happening. I don't see how an image can possibly add a cookie, unless one goes to the website to find out more about the picture or something.

I'd be interested to know what you find out about it. If anyone who has an image on any webpage I view can drop a cookie without me going to their webpage, I'd like to know about it. I know there are a lot of security holes with IE (probably Netscrape too), but I didn't think they were that difficult to plug up.

If the picture does pose a problem, let me know, and I'll take care of it, but I want to leave it as is for now so that I can find out more about this topic... I honestly do want to know.

[This message was edited by Mark 42 on August 13, 2003 at 02:32 PM.]

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by MaxEntropy:
You bet. The LAST thing that they want is for more people to come to the parks, pay the fees on top of the taxes that they already pay and enjoy the parks!

Their main interest is to preserve the parks so that future generations may be denied use of them also. For more information, read the Yosemite master plan.

I'm familiar with it, actually. Yosemite is a classic example of the problem. Too many people are loving it to death.

How would requiring the same number of rangers to take time away from their other duties to approve cache hiding places help the overcrowding?

If the use was spread out, it would help, but the vast majority want to all visit the same locations. Would caches encourage folks to visit other parts of the park? They could, but past history isn't very encouraging. Check the existing virtuals in Glacier and Yellowstone. The great majority of them are quite close to locations that already receive many, many visitors.

Ultimately, visitors' fees can help the bottom line, but if you really want to support the parks, encourage your senators or congressman to increase their annual budgets.

Ron/yumitori

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Remember what the dormouse said...

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
You guys really didn't recognize it was a joke?

.... snip ....

_

I read your post and wrote my reply before my coffee kicked in this morning. Later I realized that I had been had. It just takes a while for my sense of humor to kick in. Sorry 'bout that.

Problem is, I've read some posts taking a similar viewpoint that seemed serious. I guess I was primed!

Bluespreacher

"We've got the hardware and the software, the plans and the maps ..." -- Citizen Wayne Kramer

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
I don't see how an image can possibly add a cookie, unless one goes to the website to find out more about the picture or something.

The image doesn't - neither does a web page. The setting of a cookie is done a level above the file (image, html doc, etc) being requested/sent.

Whenever you request a file (regardless of the type of file you're requesting), there's a transaction which takes place before the file is sent to you. Your browser initiates a connection with the server; the server accepts or rejects the connection (usually accepts); your browser says "Hi. I'm IE version 6.031254. I'm running on Windows 2000 SP4."; the server responds with "Cool. I'm Apache 2.0 running on RedHat Linux. Here, have a cookie."; a cookie is sent to (your browser); then, finally, the file is sent to your browser to be displayed.

Cookies aren't always sent, and are often set by the web applications (server-side scripting in the pages) themselves, not by the server software, which is why you don't normally get a cookie when just requesting an image. It's definately possible, though.

quote:
If anyone who has an image on any webpage I view can drop a cookie without me going to their webpage, I'd like to know about it.

It doesn't have to do with requesting a web page - it's part of the HTTP protocol. A file is a file is a file, as far as the server is concerned (ok, that's oversimplifying it, but without getting into server applications, that's the jist of it). It doesn't matter if it's an HTML document, an image file, a M$ Word doc, or anything else. Your browser request a file and the web server serves it to you.

quote:
I know there are a lot of security holes with IE (probably Netscrape too), but I didn't think they were that difficult to plug up.

It's not a security hole - it's by design.

quote:
If the picture does pose a problem, let me know, and I'll take care of it, but I want to leave it as is for now so that I can find out more about this topic... I honestly do want to know.

Doesn't bother me - I reject all cookies except from the sites that are on my exclusion list.

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sigimage.php

August 13, 2003

I dont' have my defaults set to prompt me for cookie authorization, I do most computing at work (in downtimes while I'm waiting, and lunch), and the firewall is pretty well secured (won't allow execution or mods, I assume), so I never noticed it.

I delete my cookies (all of them) from time to time, and was about due.

I'm too lazy to build a list, though I probably should go that route (and might, now that I know)

Is the Xfer you referred to just FTP, something else, or that and more?

Anyway, thanks for the info. I wonder if I didn't see the cookie because it was temporary and deleted after I wasn't accessing the picture anymore. I went to this thread (site), and then left again and checked if it had put the cookie back after I deleted all of them.

I hope that someday we will be able to put away

our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people.

August 13, 2003

quote:
Originally posted by Bluespreacher:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark 42:
You guys really didn't recognize it was a joke?

.... snip ....

I read your post and wrote my reply before my coffee kicked in this morning.

.... snip .....

That's okay, now we're laughing together.

Some of the best advice I ever got was

"Laugh at yourself, the rest of the world does"

[This message was edited by Mark 42 on August 14, 2003 at 07:27 AM.]

National Park reasoning?

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