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FTF is an unsanctioned side game with many variations. There is no universal standard for fair play. FTF has no rules.

 

Everyone has different processes, and different approaches. When I happen to get an FTF, I treat it the same way I would treat any other find, i.e. I log it, in order, when I have time to write a detailed log. I have not ever agreed to participate in any kind of competition with others, so I am not under any obligation to agree with, or adhere to, imaginary notions of fair play.

 

Fair play in geocaching means nothing more than putting the cache back where it belongs so it is ready for the next geocacher. If someone chooses to place less value on their experience because they didn't get to the cache first, that's a matter of attitude and not my responsibility.

 

That is not logic. I there would exist rules or obligation we would't need fair play anyway.

It's not about competition nor because of that less value experience.

For me fair play means that I recognise fact among us are geocachers who also (not exclusively) like FTF. My attitude to other geocachers dictates me to except this fact and because of that I write log for a new caches immediately whether I compete with them or not.

 

Huh?? :blink:

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Hmmm ... I'm curious. I never heard of this issue, so I tried it just now. At the start of the experiment, my Profile page said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 9". Then I logged "Found it" logs on two of my own archived caches. As I had never logged these as "found" before, the Profile page now said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 7". Just as expected.

 

Then I deleted the two bogus logs, but the number is still at 7! Of course it also stays at 7, if I write another find log for one of the two archived caches. So it's correct, that only the first "Found it" log adds to the FP counter, but deleting that log apparently doesn't decrease the counter. Is there some sort of "delayed update" involved? I hope so, because otherwise some jokers might get the idea to beef up their available FP by fake-logging caches all over the world and deleting the logs immediately afterwards :rolleyes: .

 

Number decreases even on our own caches if we log them as found and then delete log.

 

Something's weird here, and it's not the issue I described. What's weird is that logging your own cache as "found" should not count towards your favorite point accrual. Per Groundspeak's help center article, at https://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=287, "Finds on geocaches that you own are also not included" in calculating your favorite points total.

 

Did a "delayed update" correct things?

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Hmmm ... I'm curious. I never heard of this issue, so I tried it just now. At the start of the experiment, my Profile page said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 9". Then I logged "Found it" logs on two of my own archived caches. As I had never logged these as "found" before, the Profile page now said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 7". Just as expected.

 

Then I deleted the two bogus logs, but the number is still at 7! Of course it also stays at 7, if I write another find log for one of the two archived caches. So it's correct, that only the first "Found it" log adds to the FP counter, but deleting that log apparently doesn't decrease the counter. Is there some sort of "delayed update" involved? I hope so, because otherwise some jokers might get the idea to beef up their available FP by fake-logging caches all over the world and deleting the logs immediately afterwards :rolleyes: .

 

Number decreases even on our own caches if we log them as found and then delete log.

 

Something's weird here, and it's not the issue I described. What's weird is that logging your own cache as "found" should not count towards your favorite point accrual. Per Groundspeak's help center article, at https://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=287, "Finds on geocaches that you own are also not included" in calculating your favorite points total.

I didn't know that. Which makes the result of my experiment indeed even weirder.

 

Did a "delayed update" correct things?

No. As I said, I ended up yesterday with "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 7". Today I found 6 caches, and now it says "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 1". So yesterday's testing still brought me a net gain of 0.2 FP.

 

Just to see if it makes a difference when I log not my own caches, I just picked out two old listings, which have been archived since 7 years, have 0 watchers, and inactive owners. After I had logged both as "found", I had acquired one additional FP, and my "Logs Until Next Favorite Point" counter was at 9 (as expected). Deleting the two find logs again didn't change anything on my FP count. So I have by now gained 0.4 FP by cheating experimenting. Definitely a bug.

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Hmmm ... I'm curious. I never heard of this issue, so I tried it just now. At the start of the experiment, my Profile page said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 9". Then I logged "Found it" logs on two of my own archived caches. As I had never logged these as "found" before, the Profile page now said "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 7". Just as expected.

 

Then I deleted the two bogus logs, but the number is still at 7! Of course it also stays at 7, if I write another find log for one of the two archived caches. So it's correct, that only the first "Found it" log adds to the FP counter, but deleting that log apparently doesn't decrease the counter. Is there some sort of "delayed update" involved? I hope so, because otherwise some jokers might get the idea to beef up their available FP by fake-logging caches all over the world and deleting the logs immediately afterwards :rolleyes: .

 

Number decreases even on our own caches if we log them as found and then delete log.

 

Something's weird here, and it's not the issue I described. What's weird is that logging your own cache as "found" should not count towards your favorite point accrual. Per Groundspeak's help center article, at https://support.Groundspeak.com/index.php?pg=kb.page&id=287, "Finds on geocaches that you own are also not included" in calculating your favorite points total.

I didn't know that. Which makes the result of my experiment indeed even weirder.

 

Did a "delayed update" correct things?

No. As I said, I ended up yesterday with "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 7". Today I found 6 caches, and now it says "Logs Until Next Favorite Point: 1". So yesterday's testing still brought me a net gain of 0.2 FP.

 

Just to see if it makes a difference when I log not my own caches, I just picked out two old listings, which have been archived since 7 years, have 0 watchers, and inactive owners. After I had logged both as "found", I had acquired one additional FP, and my "Logs Until Next Favorite Point" counter was at 9 (as expected). Deleting the two find logs again didn't change anything on my FP count. So I have by now gained 0.4 FP by cheating experimenting. Definitely a bug.

I noticed that too a few months back. When logging a bunch of caches that included my 600th find, I managed to mess up the order and got the wrong cache as the milestone, so I deleted a few logs and redid them. Out of that I ended up with a couple of extra tenths of an FP that I wasn't expecting.

 

Conversely, I've noticed that attending your own event doesn't contribute to FPs but attending other people's does. I can understand finding your own cache being excluded, but aren't events different?

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That is not logic. I there would exist rules or obligation we would't need fair play anyway.

It's not about competition nor because of that less value experience.

For me fair play means that I recognise fact among us are geocachers who also (not exclusively) like FTF. My attitude to other geocachers dictates me to except this fact and because of that I write log for a new caches immediately whether I compete with them or not.

 

Huh?? :blink:

 

I think he is saying that we all must pander to whatever strange whims other cachers are into.

If other cachers want to sign the log after someone who signed the log upside down, we must all sign the log upside down. Not part of Geocaching: a strange whim. "This is what I want. So you all have to follow my whim!" Really sad that someon is so emphatic about their whims.

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I've found over 1000 FTFs and have encountered none of the problems described in this thread which to me has been pretty pointless.

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