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No regrouping for me either and I'd be flexible too to regroup on the fly if that is necessary and possible at all later on.

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No regrouping ATM either. But I'd be flexible to regroup on the fly if that is necessary and possible at all later on.

 

No regrouping for me either and I'd be flexible too to regroup on the fly if that is necessary and possible at all later on.

 

After the regrouping is done no changes are possible anymore, because then the want lists are written and every coin should kepp its fixed number.

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No regrouping ATM either. But I'd be flexible to regroup on the fly if that is necessary and possible at all later on.

 

After the regrouping is done no changes are possible anymore, because then the want lists are written and every coin should kepp its fixed number.

 

Hm, does that mean: If I don't create a set, I might not get THAT coin because he/she would wants a set of two in return (and there's no option to say I want coin 11 AND 12 for mine) ... which entails that I could not bid for a coin where one of the two (11 OR 12) would have been a fair trade as they are now only available as a set?

 

Be it as it may: I'll leave it as it is for the moment but please correct me, if my above thoughts are wrong.

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Hm, does that mean: If I don't create a set, I might not get THAT coin because he/she would wants a set of two in return

 

If a set is not created then no one may "want" these two coins together. It is always one for one trade: one coin or set for another coin or set, and sets are created in advance.

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Hm, does that mean: If I don't create a set, I might not get THAT coin because he/she would wants a set of two in return

 

If a set is not created then no one may "want" these two coins together. It is always one for one trade: one coin or set for another coin or set, and sets are created in advance.

What Murazor said :-)

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We have 2 more participants who entered the show. I added their coins at the end of the list so all given coin numbers are still the same.

 

I still need to get regrouping Information from:

- acasim

- drneal

- firennice

- Hide*seek

- imoutnabout

- luis_pt

- Madventure4x4 (ok, only 1 coin submitted, so definitely no regrouping :) )

- Pingos

- steben6

- wellner

- Six Little Spookies

- Wuselelfe

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I should finish up my grouping and have them e-mailed out tonight

 

ILYK

 

ILYL

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We have 2 more participants who entered the show. I added their coins at the end of the list so all given coin numbers are still the same.

 

I still need to get regrouping Information from:

- imoutnabout

 

Regrouping info sent. Thanks!

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This is for my player account not this moderator account..

 

firennice ... no regrouping.

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Ok, I updated the list with all given groups and highlighted the groups with a light color (I think it is better to identify the groups). PLEASE CHECK IF I DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!!

 

Beside that there are only regrouping informations missing from Pingos and Wellner, so please prepare yourself formthe next step :D

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resent the last two groups

 

ILYK

 

ILYL

 

Later I will start the next phase with further instructions. Please, all check your submitted coins (is everything as you entered them or as you wanted them inside a group)

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Ok, regrouping phase is closed and now we come to want list submission phase. Again I would like to quote Chucks explanations, because they are so good that even I understood it the first time :rolleyes:

 

It's time to start explaining the trickiest part of this whole mathtrade thing: The Want List Phase.

 

Everyone now has a list of coins they are offering -- some grouped, some not. And most likely everyone has had a look through the whole list to see what they would like to get. How do we get there? By creating the Want Lists!

 

The general idea for a Want List is to define which of your own coins can be traded against which offered coins.

 

The following syntax is used:

 

own_coin_ID : wanted_ID_1 wanted_ID_2 .. wanted_ID_n

 

The colon (':') is used as a separator between the 'own_coin_ID' and the chosen wanted coins. The list of wanted coins is delimited by a space (' ').

 

As you can see, you have to specify a single 'own_coin_ID' and a list of possible IDs of all coins that you would accept as a trade for this coin. You are free to choose from all other coins when creating your lists. Furthermore, you are not limited to a single coin -- you can append all coins (via their respective coin IDs) that you are accepting as a trade. Theoretically, you could append the IDs of ALL the coins in this trade to your list.

 

The appearance of the IDs of the wanted coins is of importance, as it represents the order of preference in the list. In the first position is the 'most wanted' trade, and in the last position would be the 'least acceptable' trade.

 

If there is only one coin that you would trade your coin for, then there will only be one 'wanted_ID' in your list. If there are NO coins that you find acceptable as a trade for your coin, just leave the want list blank.

 

Okay, enough theory. Let's see it in action!

 

Looking at the list, I own the coins with the IDs 146 to 178-- or 33 coins. If I had grouped some of those coins, my Want List would have been a few lines shorter (each group -- regardless of the number of coins it contains -- will only have one line in the Want List)

 

So, let's say that I consider my MOGA 2009 coin (ID 172) to be the primo coin that I have offered. Looking through the list I find a few coins that I would like, but some really stand out: the Delft coins (67, 68, 69), Some Earth Turtle coins (378, 563, 783, etc) and the Greenman (642). Of those, I would favour the Delft Blau over the Turtles, followed by the Greenman. So my entry for the MOGA (theoretically) would look like:

 

172 : 67 68 69 378 563 783 642

 

I don't have any sets this year, but if I did, I would only have one entry in my Want List for the whole set. When listing a set, you only have to enter a single ID number and ignore the letters. If I had combined the DNA coins my set would have been labelled as 161A, 161B, 161C, etc. My want list for the set would look like:

 

161 : 67 68 69 378 563 783 642

 

Looking through the rest of the coins, there are only 8 that I would like to add to my collection. However, I still have 31 listings left to account for! If I list the IDs for only those 8 coins for each of my remaining coins, this will mean at best that 8 of my coins trade! But, for the sake of this exercise, that is what I'll do. The coins I want have the IDs 734 through 741, and that's the order of priority as well:

 

146 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
147 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
148 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
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.
.
178 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741

 

There! All done! Except for one thing. For some reason, I decide not to trade my Atlantis coin (ID 160). Maybe I can't part with it; maybe I've already traded it for a coin outside of the mathtrade. To show that it is unavailable, I either don't list it, or I list it with an empty line for the wanted coins:

 

160 : 

 

NOW my want list is done! For the convenience of my host, I will add my nick in parentheses in front of each line, and the whole list ends up looking like:

 

(E&Cplus3) 146 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 147 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 148 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 149 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 150 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 151 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 152 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 153 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 154 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 155 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 156 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 157 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 158 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 159 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 160 : 
(E&Cplus3) 161 : 67 68 69 378 563 783 642
(E&Cplus3) 162 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 163 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 164 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 165 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 166 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 167 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 168 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 169 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 170 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 171 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 172 : 67 68 69 378 563 783 642
(E&Cplus3) 173 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 174 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 175 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 176 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 177 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741
(E&Cplus3) 178 : 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741

 

Now I can send this list in an email to:

 

 

mathtrade10@web.de

 

There is one issue that I haven't discussed yet: How to prevent receiving the same coin more than once.

 

But I'll leave that for another post. I'll let y'all absorb the info in this post first.

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Okay, here's Part II of the Want List tutorial...

 

Q. What if several people have listed a coin I really want. If I include all the IDs in my want lists, is it possible to get more than one?

 

A. Using the method I described above, yes this is a possibility.

 

Say I have listed coinID 161 and coinID 172 up for trade. I would like to get two of the following coins for them:

 

"Omni Animalia Germany" (IDs 551 627 694)

"Trees and Men" (IDs 307 788)

 

So I could make the following want list:

 

161 : 551 627 694 307 788
172 : 551 627 694 307 788

 

However, by doing it this way I would 'risk' receiving coin 551 for coin 161 and coin 627 for coin 172. I'd end up with two of the same "Animalia" coins instead of getting two different coins.

 

You can avoid this very easily by defining variables.

 

You define a coin group to make sure you only get at most 1 coin from that group. Pick a name for your group and stick a percent sign ('%') in front of it to indicate that it is a variable. Then add a colon (':') and a space-delimited list of coin IDs. In the example above, my coin variables would look like this:

 

%Animalia : 551 627 694
%TreesMen : 307 788

 

Now I simply include these names in my want list, instead of the actual coin numbers. My list would then change to look like this:

 

161 : %Animalia %TreesMen 
172 : %Animalia %TreesMen 

 

This way, if coin 161 gets traded for one of the coins from the %Animalia group, this will prevent coin 172 from being traded for another coin from that same group.

 

Your variables must be defined at the top of the want list that you send to me, and every line must start with your nickname in parentheses.

 

(E&Cplus3) %Animalia : 551 627 694
(E&Cplus3) %TreesMen : 307 788
(E&Cplus3) 161 : %Animalia %TreesMen 
(E&Cplus3) 172 : %Animalia %TreesMen 

 

But wait! There's more! You can nest your variables. This means that you can take a variable that you have already defined and use it within another variable. Why would you do this?

 

Say you have a coin that you would like to trade for the Animalia Germany coin, and only for that coin. But there are a few of them in the list (IDs 551 627 694). There are some other coins that you would like trade for ANY Animalia coin, including the Germany, and there are a LOT of them (IDs 369 371 777 780 693 419)

 

Well, you already have the Germany coins defined, so now you need to create a variable for the whole group:

 

(E&Cplus3) %AnimaliaGermany : 551 627 694
(E&Cplus3) %AnimaliaAll : %AnimaliaGermany 369 371 777 780 693 419
(E&Cplus3) %TreesMen : 307 788
(E&Cplus3) 161 : %AnimaliaGermany %TreesMen 
(E&Cplus3) 172 : %AnimaliaGermany %TreesMen
(E&Cplus3) 173 : %AnimaliaAll %TreesMen
(E&Cplus3) 174 : %AnimaliaAll %TreesMen

 

Notice how the second variable definition uses the variable defined earlier. In my want lists, coin 161 uses the %AnimaliaGermany variable, and coin 173 uses the variable for all Animalia coins.

 

Just a few notes about precedence: the coins listed within a variable all have equal weight! So, in the %AnimaliaAll variable, coin 551 has the same weight as coin 419. However, when using variables in your want lists, the normal precedence rules apply (ie. %AnimaliaGermany trumps %TreesMen).

 

That's it! Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification if I haven't explained things well enough.

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Thanks to Chuck for the great explanations. If you have any questions about the want lists, of course this time you have to ask me by using the mathtrade email, my profile or simply ask here in the forum. There are a lot of experienced mathtraders joining again, who can help me clarifying all issues.

 

AND PLEASE CHECK, IF YOUR COINS IN THE LIST ARE AS YOU WANTED THEM TO BE!!!

 

VERY IMPORTANT:

A few times even experienced mathtraders did a mistake in their want list and used for example not the Coin-ID in the firs column but the row number of the spread sheet. Be careful, if you do a mistake in your want list it is your responibility! Better double check your want list before you submit it!!!

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What is the deadline for submission? There is a multitude of coins to check and then to form the list.

Please let us have at least 10 days for that...

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What is the deadline for submission? There is a multitude of coins to check and then to form the list.

Please let us have at least 10 days for that...

In fact you have more than 10 days for this phase! The final date for sending the want list is June 28th!

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List sent in this evening. ... :unsure:

 

Can I expect a package with everything I want to be here tomorrow morning ... ???

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List sent!

 

I ended up with a want list of 44 coins. Two of them I'd consider "extraordinarily exclusive". All the coins that I listed, have been offered for trade.

 

Now waiting for the verdict! :drama:

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it's my first mathtrade and I have no want-list - therefore I don't know most of the coins and going through them is challenging esp. if no edition is given or google doesn't find any match. there are 300 coins to go and I don't think I'll make it, but anyway I will send a list by end of the deadline :)

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@Chiroptera most of the coin pictures you can find by copy paste the coin names- editions into google and look up the pictures. Then you get an idea.

 

Du kannst ganz gut die coin namen in google setzen und bekommst über die Bilder eine Idee der coins. So hab ich's teilweise auch gemacht. :-)

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Wishlist submitted.

 

I listed 36 coins/groups so I think at least a few of my coins will be traded.

 

Caution: I am out of home up to Jul 14th, so I will be able to send my coins in the second half of July.

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Just 4 more days to send me your want list if you haven't done it yet. I still need the want lists from:

- chiroptera

- Hide*seek

- Los Muertos

- luis_pt

- Madventure4x4

- Pingos

- The Moop Along

- wellner

- six Little Spookies

- Wuselelfe

 

To tell the truth I'm getting nervous now and I hope I will have no problems in running the software program. It worked when I run it with a small self generated list but dealing with so many coins is a different thing. Please be patient with me :rolleyes:

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Just 4 more days to send me your want list if you haven't done it yet. I still need the want lists from:

- chiroptera

- Hide*seek

- Los Muertos

- luis_pt

- Madventure4x4

- Pingos

- The Moop Along

- wellner

- six Little Spookies

- Wuselelfe

 

To tell the truth I'm getting nervous now and I hope I will have no problems in running the software program. It worked when I run it with a small self generated list but dealing with so many coins is a different thing. Please be patient with me :rolleyes:

 

We will be VERY patient with you. You should have it done in 5 minutes ... but since we are all so agreeable we will give you an extra (30) THIRTY MINUTES !!

 

Plenty generous, eh ... ?? ... :P

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Only 6 more want lists :)

- chiroptera

- Hide*seek

- Los Muertos

- luis_pt

- Madventure4x4

- six Little Spookies

 

For those who still have to write a want list: you can skip the coins from The Moop Along. Unfortunately he has no time for writing the want list so none of his coins will trade.

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I sent my list in a few days ago. I guess it didn't make it through. I'll try again...

I got your want list before. I hope you haven't chhange anything in the want list you sent me second time?

 

Only 4 more lists to get before I can start the program:

- Hide*Seek

- Los Muertos

- chiroptera

- Madventure4x4 (I never heard something from him since he signed, and only one coin was listed by him, so if I don't hear something untill tomorrow I will leave his want list blank)

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