+retphoto Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 How long should a cache go without any visible activity before it is archived? There is nothing like a Packrat who is a geocacher. Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 You didn't mention any particulars, but if it's just a difficult, out of the way cache activity should pick up again. If you are inclined to archive it, put a prominent note on the cache page for about a month before you do, so people won't get caught in the middle of the hunt when you pull it. CR Link to comment
+retphoto Posted February 22, 2003 Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 I am asking cause there's a "cache" located about 5 miles away(my closest) that has not had a logged visit in a year and a half. The Owner has less than 10 finds, and this cache is their last Logged activity under the name. I understand that some caches may be located in hard to get areas, But I'm assuming that the owners are checking them to see if they are intact and present. but If the Owner ISN'T checking on their Cache(or even geocaching), and Nobody's logged in a while, how much time should be allowed befor it's archived? Frankly...the Owner being present isn't important to me as long as the cache is active. I have been searching out local archived caches to see if they were archived due to poor placement or they just dissappeared. There is nothing like a Packrat who is a geocacher. Link to comment
+The Leprechauns Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 There should not be an automatic time limit, for the reasons you and Sissy 'n CR noted. Harder caches go longer between finds than 1/1 walks in the city parks. Have you tried e-mailing the owner through the site? If it bounces, that's a bad sign. But don't assume that they don't care about their cache anymore. We had a cache here in Pittsburgh that went missing after some landscaping was done. The owner, who hasn't logged a find in six months, checked on the cache within a week of the not-found report, archived the cache, and promised to create an even better one nearby. Alternatively, try finding the cache. If it's there, fix it up if it needs it, and congratulate yourself for being the first finder in ages. If it's gone, and the owner doesn't respond to the not-found log, THEN it might be a good time to consider pressing that "cache should be archived" button. The worst that can happen to you while hunting for it is you have a nice hike. I'm betting this is a 3/3 cache or above, not to have had any finders in so long? I love going out and logging those. x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x I was formerly employed by the Department of Redundancy Department, but I don't work there anymore. Link to comment
+welch Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 quote:Originally posted by geo-Packrat:If the Owner ISN'T checking on their Cache(or even geocaching), and Nobody's logged in a while, how much time should be allowed befor it's archived? If its in bad shape, none it should be archived. If its in good shape, I dont know. I would hope someone local would try to either adopt the cache or if thats not possiable remove the container and see the listing archived. This kinda blurrs into tourist caches doesnt it Coming up with some one rule that covers all situations is not easy. Link to comment
+retphoto Posted February 22, 2003 Author Share Posted February 22, 2003 quote: THIS CACHE IS ON AN ISLAND,IN THE NORTH BRANCH OF THE SUSQUEHANNA RIVER. FIRST AND FOREMOST,YOU WILL NEED A BOAT TO REACH THIS CACHE,UNLESS YOU ARE A STRONG SWIMMER.WE SPENT THE WEEKEND BOATING AND FISHING IN THIS AREA,AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO THROW IN A LITTLE GEOCACHING ON THE SIDE.I DONT KNOW HOW LONG THIS CACHE WILL REMAIN ON THIS ISLAND,DUE TO FLOODING,BUT IT SHOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF ANYBODY LOCATES IT BEFORE IT IS GONE. THE CACHE IS A SHOE BOXED SIZED PLASTIC CONTAINER,WITH A FEW INEXPENSIVE ITEMS,AND OF COURSE A CAMERA & LOGBOOK.SO IF YOU DO ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE,PLEASE SNAP SOME PICS & SIGN THE BOOK. WE PLACED THE BOX ABOUT 24" OFF THE TERRA FIRMA,ON THE ROOTS OF A TREE THAT HAD FALLEN OVER...... GOOD HUNTING. STEVE,JIM,CHEYENNE & BUSTER I live about 100 yards from that River, 4 miles Downriver, we had several occasions of Very High Water last year. I don't own a Boat, and I'm not interested in getting wet for something that the odds are, it's NOT there. There is nothing like a Packrat who is a geocacher. Link to comment
+Mr. Snazz Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 quote:Originally posted by geo-Packrat:I live about 100 yards from that River, 4 miles Downriver, we had several occasions of Very High Water last year. I don't own a Boat, and I'm not interested in getting wet for something that the odds are, it's NOT there. Well, maybe there are other folks who are willing to get wet. I'm of the opinion that unless someone goes out and verifies that the cache isn't there, it shouldn't be archived, regardless of how long it has been since someone visited it. Link to comment
+Alan2 Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 I'd wait 'til the next post. Alan Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted February 22, 2003 Share Posted February 22, 2003 Nobody bothering to find a cache is different from the cache not being there. It should not be archived due to a lack of activity. I've got one cache that took 4 months before anyone went to find it and you can get there in a car. Wherever you go there you are. Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I have to agree. Sounds like it shouldn't be archived just yet. someone needs to go out there to make sure it's not there. Otherwise, you could be orphaning a cache. CR Link to comment
+TinSparrow Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Here is another cache which has never been found, and probably won't be for some time. This one I feel very strongly about that it should NOT be archived: As North As It Gets The criteria for achiving can't merely be that a cache has not been found with a certain period of time. Some other factors should be taken into account, such as: Is the cache being maintained? Is the owner still active? Has the cache been compromised? Has the cache been found by so many folks that there is a trail to it? Link to comment
+Logscaler and Red Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 I have 13 caches that have not been found in over 100 days. One has not been logged as a find in 493 days, one caches has never been found - a vitrual - in 450 days, but I went out and checked all but the virtual cache and they are still there. And this summer the virtual will be a cache box. I think as long as the cache is in a good location, is in good shape, as long as the cache owner is active or the cache is being found, leave it as a valid cache. logscaler. Link to comment
+sbukosky Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 One aspect that hasn't been mentioned is that everyone in the area might have found the cache! This is in general and not specific to your situation. Steve Bukosky N9BGH Waukesha Wisconsin Link to comment
skydiver Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Here is a good example of a cache that has been out for a long time (over a year and a half), and still waiting on it's first finder. This one sits very high on my todo list, as it does for a few other hard-core cachers I know in the area. So, I'll be surprised if it manages to go another summer without a finder ... BUT, if I don't manage to get to it this summer, and neither does anyone else, I'd be very disappointed to see it get archived simply because somebody thought there needs to be a silly minimum level of activity for all caches. --------------------------------------- "We never seek things for themselves -- what we seek is the very seeking of things." Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) --------------------------------------- Link to comment
+sparklehorse Posted February 23, 2003 Share Posted February 23, 2003 Now back by popular demand even though the $1000 is no longer on the table, this one created quite a stir when archived recently: OPERATION HIGH DESERT ADVENTURE --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been edited to fit your TV screen. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment
+The Cheeseheads Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 quote:Originally posted by geo-Packrat: quote:FIRST AND FOREMOST,YOU WILL NEED A BOAT TO REACH THIS CACHE,UNLESS YOU ARE A STRONG SWIMMER... My guess is that any cacher who is willing to go through the effort to get a boat and go after this one is probably also going to post a "Not Found" if they couldn't find it. If you're looking for a way to get this cache off of your "nearest caches" list, currently there's only one way to do that... - - - - - Wisconsin Geocaching Association Link to comment
+azmark Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 Operation High Desert should have never been approved. You don't really need a GPS to do the hunt, and it's a one time only cache. Not a virtual, not an event. The approvers, just got caught up in the excitement, and didn't want to miff the touchy team that does these caches. Link to comment
Aladin Sane Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 I am the only person to have logged this cache online. Uncharted Island That was back in June of last year. It is a very nice cache. I am surprised no other seafaring cachers have found it. I will go back out and check things out after the ice melts this spring. Aladin Sane Link to comment
+retphoto Posted February 24, 2003 Author Share Posted February 24, 2003 Well I am making arrangements to get to the island this week. And I am taking a camera to get Pics... If it's NOT there, it's NOT there, I'll take some pics showing as such(and to see if it looks correct to the 2 who found it) if it is there...well I have a travel bug to put in it!!! that might increase the traffic There is nothing like a Packrat who is a geocacher. Link to comment
+Brian - Team A.I. Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 I don't think there should be a limit. If there are long periods with no finds, the owner should go out for some maintenance and verify that the cache is still there. As of this post, I have one that hasn't been found for 48 days, and it is an urban cache. Granted, given the area, it will be a difficult find, and the cache container is nothing like the area you would think to look, which I think stumps most cachers. I've recently verified that it still exists, so my maintenance is 'complete' for the time being. Brian Team A.I. Link to comment
+retphoto Posted February 24, 2003 Author Share Posted February 24, 2003 I see nothing wrong with keeping a cache active(no matter how long it's been since it's been found) if the owner is Active... maybe I should of rephased the questions. if the Owner is AWOL how long should an Inactive cache go before it's archived. Question....if it's still there, if I am so inclined, how would I go about adopting a cache? There is nothing like a Packrat who is a geocacher. Link to comment
+Mr. Snazz Posted February 24, 2003 Share Posted February 24, 2003 even if the owner isn't active anymore, the cache shouldn't be archived until a person visits the location, can't find it, and efforts made to contact the owner fail. Otherwise, how are we going to track all of the abandoned caches out there?? If the cache is still visible, even if the owner has gone AWOL, at least whoever can't find it last has an opportunity to go retreive the container if its determined that the cache should be archived. Link to comment
+Captain Morgan Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Poll results have disappeared during forum changes, so we all have to vote again... Link to comment
+briansnat Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 If you go ahead and archive a cache without confirming if it's still there, it just becomes litter. No cache should be archived until it's verified missing, or has been retreived. "An appeaser is one who keeps feeding a crocodile-hoping it will eat him last" -Winston Churchill Link to comment
+Tubby Rower Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 The under water thing seems to be a little harder but doesn't mean that it should be archived. According to my GPS, Blackbeard's Blackwater Cache's first leg is somewhere in the middle of the James river in Lynchburg. I haven't tried it yet because of recent rains, but I WILL try it eventually. kc row, row, row your boat Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Never. If it ain't broke, don't archive it. Archiving is for if there is a problem. Wherever you go there you are. Link to comment
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