Gun Club Geocache dilemma?

[+lamoracke]

Hey there. I have a dilemma. I have in my possession an ammo box which is labeled "geocache" but is obviously not a cache on geocaching.com nor is it on OpenCaching.com. It was not taken by me but it was hidden under a pedestrian bridge in the manner that many geocaches are hidden. It was given to me by a friend. It seems to be run by a local gun club group given the info inside. It has gun holsters, rifle manuals, and other stuff devoted to that hobby. It once had a big knife in it recently I can tell. Their log book has meticulous records of what gun stuff were taken out and put back as far as their swag goes. Their only rules seem to be no live ammo, so obviously a gun or knife could be in there.

 

What would you do? It is not on geocaching.com but with the word "geocache" on it, some kid could accidentally find it and end up with a gun or knife just like that.

 

A. I could contact the owner of this thing, there is an email in the ammo can and arrange for them to pick it up somewhere (there are instructions for that inside).

 

B. Dispose of the stuff as its improper for guns and knives to just be left out in the world for a kid to accidentally find.

 

C. Donate to a gun store.

 

Advice?

[+Keelmann And Cici]

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the name Geocache is controlled by Groundspeak, they jus have the top site. How did your friend find the cache? I wouldn't have taken it, personally, as it's not my property. If I were concerned about the safety, I would have written down the owners contact info, and emailed him. If no response, and I truly thought it was dangerous, I would have told the police about it. Just my two cents. Taking it is too close to theft for me.

Edited November 20, 2011 by Keelmann And Cici

[+Manville Possum]

Hey there. I have a dilemma. I have in my possession an ammo box which is labeled "geocache" but is obviously not a cache on geocaching.com nor is it on OpenCaching.com. It was not taken by me but it was hidden under a pedestrian bridge in the manner that many geocaches are hidden. It was given to me by a friend. It seems to be run by a local gun club group given the info inside. It has gun holsters, rifle manuals, and other stuff devoted to that hobby. It once had a big knife in it recently I can tell. Their log book has meticulous records of what gun stuff were taken out and put back as far as their swag goes. Their only rules seem to be no live ammo, so obviously a gun or knife could be in there.

 

What would you do? It is not on geocaching.com but with the word "geocache" on it, some kid could accidentally find it and end up with a gun or knife just like that.

 

A. I could contact the owner of this thing, there is an email in the ammo can and arrange for them to pick it up somewhere (there are instructions for that inside).

 

B. Dispose of the stuff as its improper for guns and knives to just be left out in the world for a kid to accidentally find.

 

C. Donate to a gun store.

 

Advice?

Advice? Contact the owner of the property that you have in your possession, I'm sure they want it back. Sounds like you know quite about the cache, contents and ownership. If a Law is being broken call the Police.

 

I would go with your answer A, and not be a Muggler to another geocachers game just because they do not list here and have different rules.

[+lamoracke]

I know quite a bit about it since I looked inside the cache and examined the contents and the "log book".

[knowschad]

I would guess, from what you have said, that it is the gun club's own personal game. Members of this site are probably not likely to stumble across it, since it isn't listed here. What they do is their business. Put it back.

[+kwcahart]

A gun or knife "COULD" be in there?? But from your post there was NOT a gun nor a knife in there, so you are guessing, and my guess is you are trolling. If you are not, then put it back and mind your own business.

[+lamoracke]

the cache had a gun holster in it and the last "finder" said they took out a knife and left other related things. Hence, it just had a knife.

 

What am I "trolling" for? I am just asking for advice on what to do with this thing. Sheesh. Its natural to look inside of it.

 

I guess no one is concerned that an ammo can that looks like a geocache is free for the taking of any wandering 6 year old boy who sees it and can get a free gun out of it.

Edited November 20, 2011 by lamoracke

[+Coldgears]

A gun or knife "COULD" be in there?? But from your post there was NOT a gun nor a knife in there, so you are guessing, and my guess is you are trolling. If you are not, then put it back and mind your own business.

Woah, that's harsh. I thought we were supposed to believe someone's issue was real until proven otherwise. This doesn't seem far-fetched to me.

 

Honestly? I'd bring it to the land owner, and ask him if permission was received. This probably doesn't seem ethical, but the fact that it says "geocache" on it, can bring a two black eyes and a bloody nose, assuming there was no permission, and something happened.

 

If there was permission, put it back. If there wasn't? Explain what geocaching is, how this isn't on the main geocaching website, and how this usually doesn't happen, and will not happen again. You want to make sure they DON'T get the wrong idea, lest they make the rest of the legitimate caches forced to be archived.

[+Manville Possum]

the cache had a gun holster in it and the last "finder" said they took out a knife and left other related things. Hence, it just had a knife.

 

What am I "trolling" for? I am just asking for advice on what to do with this thing. Sheesh. Its natural to look inside of it.

 

I guess no one is concerned that an ammo can that looks like a geocache is free for the taking of any wandering 6 year old boy who sees it and can get a free gun out of it.

I gave you more credit that you should know what to do because you have almost 6K finds and are not new to the game. I'm more concerned by a wandering 6 year old boy than I am of a Gun Club Member leaving a firearm in a geocache. Remember to trade up or even. So where was the cache? On private property on a gun range?

[+Coldgears]

So where was the cache? On private property on a gun range?

Surely there are other places? Possibly a playground?

[+lamoracke]

this cache, as I am led to believe, was under a bridge on a normal public walking trail. Given from what I have been told where it was found, it was no where near a gun range.

[+Manville Possum]

this cache, as I am led to believe, was under a bridge on a normal public walking trail. Given from what I have been told where it was found, it was no where near a gun range.

How about some facts? All of your information seems second hand, so you may have no concern for alarm. I was led to belive in your first post that you had hard facts, not hear say.

[Clan Riffster]

I think your friend made a pretty amazing find! But back to your question... What would I do? I guess I would have to ask myself a couple questions. First, is it really likely that a wandering 6 year old is going to find it, without his/her parents knowing what's going on? If it were that exposed, I might feel some concern. If it were hidden, I probably wouldn't feel concern. Second, (and this changes from one geographic region to another based on individual state laws), is that box, in its hiding place, with those contents, a violation of law?

 

If I answered "Yes" to either of those questions, I would likely turn it over to the appropriate enforcement agency, with an explanation of where it came from. If both questions were answered with a "No", I would contact the owner and arrange to return it, after logging a trade. Depending on how that contact was received, I might ask the owner about the history of the box, to try and determine why it had "Geocache" written on it. My initial thought was, whoever hid it had muggled an actual geocache from somewhere, read the log, found out about our game and decided to continue it their way after dumping all the swag and putting in their own.

 

But I would tread carefully, as it could be completely innocent.

[+lamoracke]

a good friend gave it to me as he knew I was a geocacher and i have the ammo can in my possession. One of the first questions I asked was where he found it.

 

Look, can we just assume something here, that the place he found the cache is true and go from there.

 

So, lets not muddle the facts, just assume you know what I know....a friend gave you this ammo can to deal with it, I have told you the contents (or enough of it to get the gist) and I have said where it was found. I am giving you the facts as best I know. Why mention "trolling" and "hearsay", I am just asking for opinions, not opening up a criminal investigation on Law & Order.

Edited November 20, 2011 by lamoracke

[+lamoracke]

yeah, I would say it was a cool find, certainly had me curious as a geocacher.

 

Personally, I agree that the word "geocache" is not owned by Geocaching, but I admit am a little concerned that an ammo can, without a lock, or on a secure private property area, or anything could be just casually hidden under a walking bridge under a public trail (where many geocaches have been hidden) and could have guns and knives in there to just take. If a gun group wants their own geocaching, fine, but I think its mildly irresponsible to potentially have guns and knives that easy to reach for anyone to find.

 

Hence, was curious what others thought.

[+Mitragorz]

As was said earlier: A member of a gun club isn't going to leave a firearm in a cache. I don't know each states' gun laws, but all the ones I've ever looked into require pistols to be registered. Who, in their right mind, would leave a pistol in a cache, if said pistol is registered to them?

 

If I ever find a gun in a cache, it's going to be one that was dumped there by a criminal. Therefore, you could say that ANY ammo can cache you find in the woods could have a pistol placed in it. That's just a risk I'm willing to take

Edited November 20, 2011 by Mitragorz

[+Mitragorz]

Just for emphasis:

 

I think its mildly irresponsible to potentially have guns and knives that easy to reach for anyone to find.

 

The same can be said about ANY CACHE!

[+lamoracke]

you could be right Mitragorz about that. Course, it does sound like a knife could be left in there and most likely just was. The owner of this can basically implied the only rule of what not to put in there was live ammo, hence, it could be implied that a gun could be left in there. However, I would personally think very few individuals would do so.

 

Still, it sounded like a pretty sharp knife weapon that was in there from the description in the log book.

[+Manville Possum]

a good friend gave it to me as he knew I was a geocacher and i have the ammo can in my possession. One of the first questions I asked was where he found it.

 

Look, can we just assume something here, that the place he found the cache is true and go from there.

 

So, lets not muddle the facts, just assume you know what I know....a friend gave you this ammo can to deal with it, I have told you the contents (or enough of it to get the gist) and I have said where it was found. I am giving you the facts as best I know. Why mention "trolling" and "hearsay", I am just asking for opinions, not opening up a criminal investigation on Law & Order.

 

Sorry, but what you have presented is hearsay. So what type area did your friend find this geocache in? Urban? Rural? On top of a mountain on a hiking trail? Let's just take the facts, I don't know what you know about this geocache and yet you ask opinions and advise? I don't get it.

[+Manville Possum]

[quote name='lamoracke' timestamp='1321769647' post='4898351'

 

Still, it sounded like a pretty sharp knife weapon that was in there from the description in the log book.

 

What was the discription that made you think the knife was a intended weapon?

[+lamoracke]

well, you basically said what I knew about where the cache was, was hearsay. I have no reason to doubt this friend of mine, have known him a long time. As far as I am concerned, that is where the geocache was. I know the area. Its just a normal urban walking trail. Lots of joggers, dog walkers and all people in between. This trail has a number of small bridges and under one of them, in plain sight and pretty easy to reach, was this cache.

[+lamoracke]

its a black glock knife. I googled it. Sounds like a knife that is certainly above a kitchen knife to me. According to the log, it was part of the original contents, hence, it was put there by the CO.

[+Manville Possum]

well, you basically said what I knew about where the cache was, was hearsay. I have no reason to doubt this friend of mine, have known him a long time. As far as I am concerned, that is where the geocache was. I know the area. Its just a normal urban walking trail. Lots of joggers, dog walkers and all people in between. This trail has a number of small bridges and under one of them, in plain sight and pretty easy to reach, was this cache.

OK, Now we all have more to go on. That does not sound like a good place for a private cache, it may be too public. How many logs are on the book? I thought your friend may have found a guest book or a hikers summit that was mislabled a geocache. They are about the same thing. We used to make them from PVC pipe and leave them stashed in caves we explored. I still know where some are, but tough to reach! I also have a ammo can hide that is signed by more hikers than geocachers. But if the owner left his email and instructions, what is your point with this thread? Treat it as a geocache just as you normally would. Contact the owner.

[+lamoracke]

well, you basically said what I knew about where the cache was, was hearsay. I have no reason to doubt this friend of mine, have known him a long time. As far as I am concerned, that is where the geocache was. I know the area. Its just a normal urban walking trail. Lots of joggers, dog walkers and all people in between. This trail has a number of small bridges and under one of them, in plain sight and pretty easy to reach, was this cache.

OK, Now we all have more to go on. That does not sound like a good place for a private cache, it may be too public. How many logs are on the book? I thought your friend may have found a guest book or a hikers summit that was mislabled a geocache. They are about the same thing. We used to make them from PVC pipe and leave them stashed in caves we explored. I still know where some are, but tough to reach! I also have a ammo can hide that is signed by more hikers than geocachers. But if the owner left his email and instructions, what is your point with this thread? Treat it as a geocache just as you normally would. Contact the owner.

 

Well, not 100.0% sure I want to contact this person, that is partly my dilemma. Obviously I could tell him where he could get it (could drop in a place where only he could find it) and perhaps do a bit of scolding on where I found it and move on. However, as a general rule, I find it safer to not scold folks who are more armed than I am.

 

My point is I wanted advice on what other folks would do. You gave yours.

[+Manville Possum]

its a black glock knife. I googled it. Sounds like a knife that is certainly above a kitchen knife to me. According to the log, it was part of the original contents, hence, it was put there by the CO.

This CO has some really cool swag!

[+lamoracke]

its a black glock knife. I googled it. Sounds like a knife that is certainly above a kitchen knife to me. According to the log, it was part of the original contents, hence, it was put there by the CO.

This CO has some really cool swag!

 

I will say this, if you are into guns, I would imagine you would love the contents of this. Geocachers who like swag complain about how badly caches are these days in trading. These guys are meticulous in saying what they took out and what they dropped. Gun operation manuals. Gun holsters. NRA stuff. Probably about 12 things in there, some I have no idea what they are, save a name in the log book. Am not into guns, so its all greek to me.

 

Probably not smart at all how they hide these, but its very well stocked and clean inside.

 

One person asked how many logs. Looks like about 4, seems relatively new, listed somewhere in the last few months.

[+jellis]

Contact the Gun Club to see if they know anything about it. If it is not listed under Geocaching or Opencaching then there is not much you can do about it. You could report it to the authorities if you think it is unsafe for children to find.

Edited November 20, 2011 by jellis

[+Manville Possum]

well, you basically said what I knew about where the cache was, was hearsay. I have no reason to doubt this friend of mine, have known him a long time. As far as I am concerned, that is where the geocache was. I know the area. Its just a normal urban walking trail. Lots of joggers, dog walkers and all people in between. This trail has a number of small bridges and under one of them, in plain sight and pretty easy to reach, was this cache.

OK, Now we all have more to go on. That does not sound like a good place for a private cache, it may be too public. How many logs are on the book? I thought your friend may have found a guest book or a hikers summit that was mislabled a geocache. They are about the same thing. We used to make them from PVC pipe and leave them stashed in caves we explored. I still know where some are, but tough to reach! I also have a ammo can hide that is signed by more hikers than geocachers. But if the owner left his email and instructions, what is your point with this thread? Treat it as a geocache just as you normally would. Contact the owner.

 

Well, not 100.0% sure I want to contact this person, that is partly my dilemma. Obviously I could tell him where he could get it (could drop in a place where only he could find it) and perhaps do a bit of scolding on where I found it and move on. However, as a general rule, I find it safer to not scold folks who are more armed than I am.

 

My point is I wanted advice on what other folks would do. You gave yours.

You don't make much sense to me. Why would you scold the cache owner on where you found it? I thought your friend gave it to you? You seem to just be going back in circles about guns and weapons when the cache seems as you discribe to have only contained a holster and a log book and some firearm manuls. It seems to me that you may be over reacting.

[+pppingme]

Anything other than returning it to the owner is theft, there's nothing to debate or question.

 

Its not yours to donate and its not yours to dispose of.

[+GeoBain]

I guess no one is concerned that an ammo can that looks like a geocache is free for the taking of any wandering 6 year old boy who sees it and can get a free gun out of it.

I'm not.

[+GeoBain]

If there was permission, put it back. If there wasn't? Explain what geocaching is, how this isn't on the main geocaching website, and how this usually doesn't happen, and will not happen again. You want to make sure they DON'T get the wrong idea, lest they make the rest of the legitimate caches forced to be archived.

 

How are you going to make that guarantee. You can't even make any guarantees for geocaches listed this site.

[+GeoBain]

Look, can we just assume something here, that the place he found the cache is true and go from there.

 

Put it back or use the contact info to get it back to it's owner.

 

If it had knives in it, no big deal. Don't really know why they're banned here other than landowner concerns.

 

If it had guns in it, I find it difficult to believe it wasn't hidden well enough to prevent a 6yr old from finding it.

 

Either way I don't understand why there is a dilemma over this.

[+GeoBain]

Just for emphasis:

 

I think its mildly irresponsible to potentially have guns and knives that easy to reach for anyone to find.

 

The same can be said about ANY CACHE!

Exactly!

 

Not to mention drugs, porn, poop or multitude of other things "could" be in it.

[+GeoBain]

Still, it sounded like a pretty sharp knife weapon that was in there from the description in the log book.

Used to be a time around these parts that pocket knives were standard issue for young boys. They tend to be very handy tools.

[+GeoBain]

I will say this, if you are into guns, I would imagine you would love the contents of this. Geocachers who like swag complain about how badly caches are these days in trading. These guys are meticulous in saying what they took out and what they dropped. Gun operation manuals. Gun holsters. NRA stuff. Probably about 12 things in there, some I have no idea what they are, save a name in the log book. Am not into guns, so its all greek to me.

 

Probably not smart at all how they hide these, but its very well stocked and clean inside.

 

To me this description doesn't jive with a cache just left out where a 6yr old can find it.

 

Not saying your friend is wrong, but perhaps he's embellishing things a bit.

 

I'm thinking it was hidden a little better than you have been led to believe.

[+power69]

Hey there. I have a dilemma. I have in my possession an ammo box which is labeled "geocache" but is obviously not a cache on geocaching.com nor is it on OpenCaching.com. It was not taken by me but it was hidden under a pedestrian bridge in the manner that many geocaches are hidden. It was given to me by a friend. It seems to be run by a local gun club group given the info inside. It has gun holsters, rifle manuals, and other stuff devoted to that hobby. It once had a big knife in it recently I can tell. Their log book has meticulous records of what gun stuff were taken out and put back as far as their swag goes. Their only rules seem to be no live ammo, so obviously a gun or knife could be in there.

 

What would you do? It is not on geocaching.com but with the word "geocache" on it, some kid could accidentally find it and end up with a gun or knife just like that.

 

A. I could contact the owner of this thing, there is an email in the ammo can and arrange for them to pick it up somewhere (there are instructions for that inside).

 

B. Dispose of the stuff as its improper for guns and knives to just be left out in the world for a kid to accidentally find.

 

C. Donate to a gun store.

 

Advice?

how about a LOADED 22?

YES! a loaded gun in a cache. I took it. haven't seen a knife in a cache yet however.

[+Harry Dolphin]

Reminds me of the threads we see, every so often: "I found a geocache. Looks like fun. But how do I get it back to the owner?" We thank him/her profusely for being so caring, and provide all the help we can.

Same here: Return to CO.

[+briansnat]

Someone owns it. You have his email address. I would contact the owner and get it back to him.

[+Chief301]

I don't see where the dilemma is. You said that the cache contains the e-mail address of the owner. Contact him and give him his cache back. I would probably have a conversation with him about where (if anywhere) the cache is listed, and explain your concerns that it could be confused with a "legitimate" GC.com cache. But ultimately it's his decision if he wants to maintain the cache as it exists. It's not violating any guidelines because it's not listed here, and if he has permission to have it there he's not breaking any laws either.

 

As was said earlier: A member of a gun club isn't going to leave a firearm in a cache. I don't know each states' gun laws, but all the ones I've ever looked into require pistols to be registered. Who, in their right mind, would leave a pistol in a cache, if said pistol is registered to them?

 

 

This. Plus, guns are expensive. I'm all for "trade up or trade even" but come on, that's some pricy swag, don't ya think?

 

A gun could just as easily be placed in a legitimate GC.com listed cache. There's no indication that a gun was ever in the cache (a knife, yes), or that the cache was ever intended to be a place to trade guns. There's some gun-related literature and perhaps some shooting related accessories and swag, because apparently the cache is aimed (no pun intended) at gun enthusiasts. But accessories like holsters are not the same as a gun.

 

its a black glock knife. I googled it. Sounds like a knife that is certainly above a kitchen knife to me. According to the log, it was part of the original contents, hence, it was put there by the CO.

 

 

So a kitchen knife is a "safe" knife, but a black Glock knife is a weapon? Sounds like the old anti-gun "assault rifles are dangerous" rhetoric to me. Go ask any law enforcement officer how many stabbings he's been to where the weapon was an ordinary kitchen knife. Heck, I've been to a fatal stabbing where the weapon of choice was a two-pronged meat fork. The design of any knife does not make it inherently more dangerous than another knife.

 

Used to be a time around these parts that pocket knives were standard issue for young boys. They tend to be very handy tools.

 

 

This too. I think a nice pocket knife would be one of the coolest things you could leave in a cache for swag. It would fit in well with the usual collection of other outdoor related swag like carabiners, compasses, insect repellant, etc. It's a legitimate, useful tool, everyone should carry one IMO. But "our" guidelines say you don't put them in caches, so I don't. Just don't confuse "could be used as a weapon" with "weapon". If I needed to I could use the ammo can as a weapon

[Mr.Yuck]

I'd put it back, assuming you know exactly where it was. I'd contact the owner, and let him know how you're a Geocacher, and someone gave it to you, and that it was out of commision for however long.

[ritepath]

Sounds like a caching club I'd like to be part of... I have plenty of old holsters and AR parts I could share. I'd even throw in a voucher for a free custom made kydex holster. (you supply the firearm for the mould)

 

 

This one sounds like a private affair by a gun club and maybe some LGS's return it so it can be hidden again.

[AZcachemeister]

Still, it sounded like a pretty sharp knife weapon that was in there from the description in the log book.

Used to be a time around these parts that pocket knives were standard issue for young boys. They tend to be very handy tools.

 

Yup. I earned my 'carry permit' when I was an 8 y/o Cub Scout, and I have carried ever since.

I realize time are different these days, and a kid who gets caught at school with even the tiniest pen-knife will get suspended.

Sad actually, instead of teaching responsibility...make it 'illegal'.

 

As for the box, return it to the owner. If it's not listed on this site, it's none of our/your business.

I'd be willing to bet there are more than a few similar boxes (though not labeled GEOCACHE) out in the world with a lot more scary stuff than a lock-blade knife.

 

P.S. Any decent ninja can kill with a sharpened pencil.

[+lamoracke]

well, am just going to give back to my friend now that I know its not a geocaching.com cache or the like. The email of the CO is quite clearly in the container so he can figure out what to do with it as easily as I could have. Will pass on the opinions too.

Edited November 20, 2011 by lamoracke

[+terrkan78]

For starters, I would not e-mail the cache "owner." I mean, what's the point? I know what my point would be...it would be to tell the "owner" something like "WTH were you thinking hiding valuable stuff, stuff that could potentially be dangerous in the hands of little kids who are likely to find it, in such a publicly visible and accessible location? If you must do something this stupid, for pete's sake take the word 'Geocache' off of it because it violates geocaching rules and could potentially give the game an undeserved black eye." You know an exchange like this with the "owner" will probably not be received well, even if I were to word it nicer.

 

I think I would put it back with a note in the log book explaining that their cache was compromised by an outsider, that they're lucky it wasn't compromised by an 8 year old who decided to test out the nifty knife on his kid brother, that it's not a "geocache," that it violates geocaching rules and it'd be nice if they'd remove the word "geocache" for that reason (I wouldn't X out the word myself though). That would be my own chicken method of communicating with the "owner" and whoever else is playing his game. I would expect the "owner" to think my concerns were stupid, much like some of the responders to this thread. But at least I would have said what I wanted to say (without having to listen to his response--gotta love that).

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

Hey there. I have a dilemma. I have in my possession an ammo box which is labeled "geocache" but is obviously not a cache on geocaching.com nor is it on OpenCaching.com. It was not taken by me but it was hidden under a pedestrian bridge in the manner that many geocaches are hidden. It was given to me by a friend. It seems to be run by a local gun club group given the info inside. It has gun holsters, rifle manuals, and other stuff devoted to that hobby. It once had a big knife in it recently I can tell. Their log book has meticulous records of what gun stuff were taken out and put back as far as their swag goes. Their only rules seem to be no live ammo, so obviously a gun or knife could be in there.

 

What would you do? It is not on geocaching.com but with the word "geocache" on it, some kid could accidentally find it and end up with a gun or knife just like that.

 

A. I could contact the owner of this thing, there is an email in the ammo can and arrange for them to pick it up somewhere (there are instructions for that inside).

 

B. Dispose of the stuff as its improper for guns and knives to just be left out in the world for a kid to accidentally find.

 

C. Donate to a gun store.

 

Advice?

D. Don't steal. It's not yours. Put it back and go about your business (this isn't).

 

Your decision to give it back to the owner is also a correct answer.

Edited November 20, 2011 by TheAlabamaRambler

[+roundnround we go]

well, am just going to give back to my friend now that I know its not a geocaching.com cache or the like. The email of the CO is quite clearly in the container so he can figure out what to do with it as easily as I could have. Will pass on the opinions too.

Sounds like you are taking the easy way out. You asked if you should contact the owner in your original post and now that pretty much everyone has told you that would be the right thing to do you want to back away. If you didn't really want to go with the advice you received here then why did you post here to begin with.

 

There are so many listing sites out there besides this one that it could be listed on. How would we like it if members of other sites removed our caches just because they didn't agree with something in the cache placement. here are a few examples of other listing sites that cache could be listed on:

navicache.com

TerraCaching.com

GPSgames.org

opencaching.us

OpenCaching.com

[knowschad]

well, am just going to give back to my friend now that I know its not a geocaching.com cache or the like. The email of the CO is quite clearly in the container so he can figure out what to do with it as easily as I could have. Will pass on the opinions too.

 

If you wish to remain anonymous, I will gladly email the cache owner for you and act as mediator. Just send me a PM with what you want to say and the owner's email address.

[+lamoracke]

well, am just going to give back to my friend now that I know its not a geocaching.com cache or the like. The email of the CO is quite clearly in the container so he can figure out what to do with it as easily as I could have. Will pass on the opinions too.

Sounds like you are taking the easy way out. You asked if you should contact the owner in your original post and now that pretty much everyone has told you that would be the right thing to do you want to back away. If you didn't really want to go with the advice you received here then why did you post here to begin with.

 

There are so many listing sites out there besides this one that it could be listed on. How would we like it if members of other sites removed our caches just because they didn't agree with something in the cache placement. here are a few examples of other listing sites that cache could be listed on:

navicache.com

TerraCaching.com

GPSgames.org

opencaching.us

OpenCaching.com

 

it was never mine to deal with, so, no, I am not taking the easy way out, thanks very much. I was just trying to help research where the cache is from. Its not a terracache. Its not an opencache. Its not a geocaching.com cache. I am passing on the advice to my friend. If I had to deal with it, I would not know what to do really, but I did not take it, hence, I am not making the decision. Its just in my possession as he left it in my car. He took it, he will deal with it. As far as the other 2 go, am not familiar with them, but it does not seem like them to me but rather from a gun club directly based on the info inside.

 

However, as a cacher and as someone with kids who could just casually find such a thing, am curious what others would say, that is all.

[knowschad]

However, as a cacher and as someone with kids who could just casually find such a thing, am curious what others would say, that is all.

Somebody logged that they removed a knife. When I was a boy, most boys had knives. It was a tool, not a weapon. Not a big deal. Also, I have found knives in caches, removed them, and logged that I took them. And finding a holster is absolutely NO indication that he cache ever had or ever will have a gun in it. I really do think you are making a mountain out of a molehill in that regard.

 

Nevertheless, I would be glad to contact the cache owner on your behalf.

 

BTW, you do realize that opencaching.us is different than opencaching.com, right?

[+lamoracke]

nope, I did not realize that opencaching.us and opencaching.com were different. However, I have just checked the .us extension just now and its not there either, for what its worth.