+CacheFreakTim Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So I was thinking it would be cool if there were "buried treasure" caches where you actually have to dig them up, much like a buried pirate chest. Now obviously this goes against current Geocaching rules stating that caches cannot be buried. If it existed obviously there would need to be a much greater degree of rules and regulations to how they could be hidden, for example it would have to be on your own property and not in a public place (like a park.) Now obviously there is little chance of it happening, but if Groundspeak gave it the ok would you be interested in this type of cache? Quote Link to comment
+Panther&Pine Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 While it would be interesting it is NOT a good idea. It is hard enough to get people to follow the current guidelines without adding another level to it. And getting land managers to trust us that we aren't digging up their land is hard enough now, without it being allowed. Quote Link to comment
+Sol seaker Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 No. There are good, and real reasons why buried caches aren't allowed. If GS were to make an exception in some caches, then the newbies wouldn't know which caches were exceptions and which ones weren't, and they'd be out with a shovel digging up all the local parks. This would not go over well, and soon geocaching would be outlawed in many more places than it already is. (like everywhere) Bad idea. Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would not be interested in it as a part of the Groundspeak sites. It may be interesting as a stand alone with very explicit rules about permission. Quote Link to comment
+geodarts Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I do need to get some gardening work done and soil turned, so if it were allowed I suppose I would think about having relatively soft coordinates in the back yard and getting some help. It would, of course, be archived once I was ready to plant. Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 No thanks. I don't think it would take long before it was copied where it should not be. Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I would probably spend a day collecting road kill to place on top of a buried cache in the hopes that noobs would never find or know it was there. It would lend a whole new meaning to cache maggots. Quote Link to comment
+BuckeyeClan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 The given coordinated can easily be 20-30 feet off from the actual location. What would you do, dig up a huge swath of land? No, I would have no interest in trying to dig up a buried cache. Quote Link to comment
+joranda Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I have seen a cache that is buried in the sand at a resort. The cache page tells you where to dig it up at. I will try and find the GC number for it again. Quote Link to comment
AZcachemeister Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Sure. Put it in your front yard and let us come out and dig up your yard where we think it might be. 'Hey Bob, it looks like it's over here under the garage!' 'OK, Joe...bring in the backhoe!' Seriously, a bad idea...way seriously bad. Quote Link to comment
DurniesTribe Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I have seen a cache that is buried in the sand at a resort. The cache page tells you where to dig it up at. I will try and find the GC number for it again. I was thinking it would have to be in sand; otherwise the next cacher would see the previous evidence of digging. Although I do agree the others regarding why rules are currently in place. And here in South Louisiana, digging would be too much work with the humidity Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I hate it when a reporter calls geocaching a 'treasure hunt'. Yeah, there are caches buried in sand pretty much the only time it's allowed. Quote Link to comment
+joranda Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=842468c2-ff59-4a7f-8ec7-ec28712dcdfc Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) So I was thinking it would be cool if there were "buried treasure" caches where you actually have to dig them up, much like a buried pirate chest. You might do some digging while Benchmarking. You use a tape measure to find the spot, and sometimes the marker is underground (covered naturally by years of soil). So that might be what to try, if you'd like the adventure of "digging for treasure": Benchmarking. Or build a sandbox, and make a cache where people can dig in a defined spot. It may be a lot more fun to watch than to find, though. Edited May 31, 2011 by kunarion Quote Link to comment
+justinmc Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I didn't think buried was allowed at all ... sand or not. Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I didn't think buried was allowed at all ... sand or not. Most of the guidelines can be circumvented with explicit, confirmable permission and/or prior approval from Groundspeak. That doesn't make it a good idea. Quote Link to comment
+Rainbow Spirit Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think I may have found a way to get my new vegetable garden started.... Quote Link to comment
Tahosa and Sons Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Can I have the coordinates for your front yard, I'll be there shortly with my micro extraction tool. Quote Link to comment
+kunarion Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That doesn't make it a good idea. True. It would make a memorable cache, though -- families getting all covered in sand. It could work. The trick is figuring out where it could work. Perhaps at the beach house property where Blackbeard was known to bury treasure... Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I didn't think buried was allowed at all ... sand or not.There is a line, somewhere between throwing a few handfuls of loose material (bark, dirt, leaves, sand, etc.) over a cache and using "a shovel, trowel or other pointy object [...] to dig or break ground". Reasonable people sometimes disagree over where that line is. Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think I may have found a way to get my new vegetable garden started.... Good one. Quote Link to comment
+two bison Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Can I have the coordinates for your front yard, I'll be there shortly with my micro extraction tool. Can we assume the micro extraction tool is the poodle? Quote Link to comment
+justinmc Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That doesn't make it a good idea. True. It would make a memorable cache, though -- families getting all covered in sand. It could work. The trick is figuring out where it could work. Perhaps at the beach house property where Blackbeard was known to bury treasure... That being said, the idea of a cache buried in the sand sounds cool at first ... then I think about the fact that my GPS never brings me within more than 20 feet of the cache accurately. Am I supposed to dig a 20 foot whole to find it? Quote Link to comment
+joranda Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That doesn't make it a good idea. True. It would make a memorable cache, though -- families getting all covered in sand. It could work. The trick is figuring out where it could work. Perhaps at the beach house property where Blackbeard was known to bury treasure... That being said, the idea of a cache buried in the sand sounds cool at first ... then I think about the fact that my GPS never brings me within more than 20 feet of the cache accurately. Am I supposed to dig a 20 foot whole to find it? That is why you should have a good hint on where to start looking. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocachin...c7-ec28712dcdfc Hidden : 02/20/2002 From the Guidelines: Please be advised that there is no precedent for placing geocaches. This means that the past publication of a similar geocache in and of itself is not a valid justification for the publication of a new geocache. If a geocache has been published and violates any guidelines listed below, you are encouraged to report it. However, if the geocache was placed prior to the date when a guideline was issued or updated, the geocache is likely to be grandfathered and allowed to stand as is. Quote Link to comment
+joranda Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocachin...c7-ec28712dcdfc Hidden : 02/20/2002 From the Guidelines: Please be advised that there is no precedent for placing geocaches. This means that the past publication of a similar geocache in and of itself is not a valid justification for the publication of a new geocache. If a geocache has been published and violates any guidelines listed below, you are encouraged to report it. However, if the geocache was placed prior to the date when a guideline was issued or updated, the geocache is likely to be grandfathered and allowed to stand as is. I hope you don't think that I would want that cache archived cause I don't. I think it is a great idea for a cache hide for the place that it is located at. Did they allow buried caches back in 2002? Quote Link to comment
+Ambrosia Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=842468c2-ff59-4a7f-8ec7-ec28712dcdfc *sigh* I've been to Jamaica twice, and I still haven't done that cache, even though it was on my list of caches to do. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocachin...c7-ec28712dcdfc Hidden : 02/20/2002 From the Guidelines: Please be advised that there is no precedent for placing geocaches. This means that the past publication of a similar geocache in and of itself is not a valid justification for the publication of a new geocache. If a geocache has been published and violates any guidelines listed below, you are encouraged to report it. However, if the geocache was placed prior to the date when a guideline was issued or updated, the geocache is likely to be grandfathered and allowed to stand as is. I hope you don't think that I would want that cache archived cause I don't. I think it is a great idea for a cache hide for the place that it is located at. Did they allow buried caches back in 2002? Nope. That wasn't my point at all. My point was the part that I italicized, along with the date the cache was published. Quote Link to comment
+BBWolf+3Pigs Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=842468c2-ff59-4a7f-8ec7-ec28712dcdfc There was also Sands of Waikiki which included a photo of where to dig. Quote Link to comment
+theshows Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I probably wouldn't, unless it was on a beach:) I get hot and sweaty just walking around in circles at GZ, I don't think I'd want to add the extra work of digging the cache...and I'd probably have to dig a few holes in the wrong spot first. However, a beach buried treasure would be fun. Sand would be a bit easier to dig, and it wouldn't mess stuff up because people already dig holes in the sand to make sand castles and what not and it easly returns back to normal:) Quote Link to comment
DannyCaffeine Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 Mabey if it was on your own property so if someone digs up your yard its your problem If there was a universal marker or something it would be doable. Quote Link to comment
+diggy64 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 You could always check out GC2JCKR. The cache is underground, but no digging is required. Quote Link to comment
+Rckhnd Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 If it happened, I believe they would be easy to find. Just look for the fresh turned dirt. That would show up easily in hardpan or a field of weeds and grasses. Quote Link to comment
+Redfist Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 If it happened, I believe they would be easy to find. Just look for the fresh turned dirt. That would show up easily in hardpan or a field of weeds and grasses. I could imagine it being incredibly difficult in other areas. In Phoenix, for example, we have many areas with "loose granite". In other words, large areas (think surrounding parking lots, dumpsters, people's "yards", etc.) with a sea of similar colored 1/4 inch rocks. You could bury a cache then smooth over the rock cover. You'd never find it unless you go digging up the entire area. I think that would be BAD for geocaching and its reputation with the local community. From a safety perspective, if you were to go digging for a cache in the desert, you could easily dig into a nest of critters you really don't want to deal with. Any way you look at it, buried treasure has pitfalls especially when in/near urban areas. It's just not a great idea. Quote Link to comment
+Rckhnd Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 If it happened, I believe they would be easy to find. Just look for the fresh turned dirt. That would show up easily in hardpan or a field of weeds and grasses. I could imagine it being incredibly difficult in other areas. In Phoenix, for example, we have many areas with "loose granite". In other words, large areas (think surrounding parking lots, dumpsters, people's "yards", etc.) with a sea of similar colored 1/4 inch rocks. You could bury a cache then smooth over the rock cover. You'd never find it unless you go digging up the entire area. I think that would be BAD for geocaching and its reputation with the local community. From a safety perspective, if you were to go digging for a cache in the desert, you could easily dig into a nest of critters you really don't want to deal with. Any way you look at it, buried treasure has pitfalls especially when in/near urban areas. It's just not a great idea. Good point! Don't those Gila Monsters live underground? I hear they are poisonous. When I lived in New Mexico, it didn't take much to dig up a scorpion. State Troopers out here would just love to see me headed into the woods with a bag and shovel...... yeah, changed my mine, no buried caches. Quote Link to comment
Mushtang Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocachin...c7-ec28712dcdfc *sigh* I've been to Jamaica twice, and I still haven't done that cache, even though it was on my list of caches to do. I found that one back in Feb of 2004. There was a small bag of pot in it that I left behind. I always wondered if it was Jamaican Gold or not. Quote Link to comment
+Ambrosia Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Found the one that I had seen. It is in Jamaica. I was trying to plan a trip there that here happened and seen the cache. It is called Doctors Cave Cache and it sounds cool. http://www.geocachin...c7-ec28712dcdfc *sigh* I've been to Jamaica twice, and I still haven't done that cache, even though it was on my list of caches to do. I found that one back in Feb of 2004. There was a small bag of pot in it that I left behind. I always wondered if it was Jamaican Gold or not. Now that I think of it, our first time there was before caching, in '95. We went on a youth mission trip, and every time we walked around, people would come up to us offering us reefers, and asking the teenage girls to marry them. Made it fun for us youth leaders. The second time was in 2003, and by then they had cracked down on marijuana quite a bit. We were stopped twice at roadblocks by military/police with machine guns, to check cars for marijuana. One of the times we were waved through because we were American tourists. Quote Link to comment
+Don_J Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Bad, bad idea, especially since Knowschad would have a decided advantage on most of us. Quote Link to comment
+Don_J Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 So I was thinking it would be cool if there were "buried treasure" caches where you actually have to dig them up, much like a buried pirate chest. You might do some digging while Benchmarking. You use a tape measure to find the spot, and sometimes the marker is underground (covered naturally by years of soil). So that might be what to try, if you'd like the adventure of "digging for treasure": Benchmarking. Or build a sandbox, and make a cache where people can dig in a defined spot. It may be a lot more fun to watch than to find, though. Hilarious, especially after the local stray cats discover that big ol' sandbox. Quote Link to comment
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