+mtbikedirtygirl Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Oooooops.....I ment "WHO" deleted the log and why? My father loves geocaching. He worked hard to have his mile stones from 900 all to be earthcaches every 100th cache after that. But, a CO of one of the cachers between his 1000th milestone and 1100th earthcache has deleted one of his log. He said he never got a notice that his log has been deleted. He would never log a cache that he didn't find. How can I go about finding out how and why it was deleted. I just don't understand why CO's can do this without notification to the cacher. Could someone please guide me on the right direction. We know it was between 7/25/2010 and 8/31/2010. Most of the caches we find together. But, every once and awhile he will go out on his own. I just don't get it or understand. Edited January 9, 2011 by mtbikedirtygirl Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Your dad should have received a notification by email with the subject "Log Deletion Notice". The email itself would identify who deleted the log in the first line. So the first step would be to ask your dad to search his email (including his spam folder) for an email with that subject line. If that doesn't work, the next step might be to run a My Finds PQ for yourself and for your dad and load the caches into GSAK. Then you can compare results between July - August 2010 to see which caches you differ on. If you have a Found It! log for a cache that your dad doesn't, that's a possible candidate - especially if you both remember looking for it together. If not, we'll have to roll our sleeves up a bit more. Let me know if any of that sheds any light on the subject. Quote Link to comment
+palmetto Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Log Deletion article in the Knowledge Books. As addisonbr has posted, if a log is deleted, a log deletion email is sent. It won't include any reason, but it will identify who deleted the log. Quote Link to comment
+mtbikedirtygirl Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Your dad should have received a notification by email with the subject "Log Deletion Notice". The email itself would identify who deleted the log in the first line. So the first step would be to ask your dad to search his email (including his spam folder) for an email with that subject line. If that doesn't work, the next step might be to run a My Finds PQ for yourself and for your dad and load the caches into GSAK. Then you can compare results between July - August 2010 to see which caches you differ on. If you have a Found It! log for a cache that your dad doesn't, that's a possible candidate - especially if you both remember looking for it together. If not, we'll have to roll our sleeves up a bit more. Let me know if any of that sheds any light on the subject. Well, I sat down today at his house and compared our CacheStats by date. We had about 10 days within that time we didn't cache together. It is a baffle to me. I have even done a map search and tried to see caches that I knew we got together. I still didn't see anything. Although I just called him and asked him to check his spam email. He can't remember getting a notification in his regular email account. You have helped me though....I'm fixin' to roll up my sleeves a bit more...lol!! I'm going to try and spend more time on this tomorrow and see if I can get to the root of it. I'll just have to wait to hear back from him and see if he found a email. Thanks so much for your suggestions. Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Log Deletion article in the Knowledge Books. As addisonbr has posted, if a log is deleted, a log deletion email is sent. It won't include any reason, but it will identify who deleted the log. Any plans to give us the ability to provide a reason in that notification? Quote Link to comment
+BlueDeuce Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Back on topic. Would you mind providing a link to his account? You can email me if you wish. Probably take some digging, but hey you never know. Quote Link to comment
+mtn-man Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Log Deletion article in the Knowledge Books. As addisonbr has posted, if a log is deleted, a log deletion email is sent. It won't include any reason, but it will identify who deleted the log. Any plans to give us the ability to provide a reason in that notification? Doubt it. Not a subject for the forum or this topic. Take it to the Feedback site. If you can find the cache-log that was deleted, it can possibly be reinstated if you email Groundspeak. If he found the cache, he found the cache. You can no longer delete finds on a whim. You have to have a good reason. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Any plans to give us the ability to provide a reason in that notification? Yes, Miss Jenn has posted that this will be coming in the future (note that Miss Jenn's post is slightly different than the proposal in the Feedback topic): http://feedback.geocaching.com/forums/75775-geocaching-com/suggestions/1065493-delete-log-requires-reviewer-approval To mtbikedirtygirl, it might be worth checking your own email for a Log Deletion Notice too - if your dad's log was deleted by the CO for some reason, if you found the cache together maybe the CO deleted yours at the same time. I don't think this is particularly likely to bear fruit, but you never know. Quote Link to comment
+mtbikedirtygirl Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 To mtbikedirtygirl, it might be worth checking your own email for a Log Deletion Notice too - if your dad's log was deleted by the CO for some reason, if you found the cache together maybe the CO deleted yours at the same time. I don't think this is particularly likely to bear fruit, but you never know. I did have this happen to me about a year ago on a DNF log. I don't remember getting a notification then. I have a lot of caches on my watch list and get a lot of notifications. I enjoy reading them so I don't think I had one of mine deleted. Also I number my finds on the cache page. This helps me reference the cache. Also, now I know another good reason for it. "If one of my logs were to get deleted." At lease it would be easier for me to locate it. I'm still waiting on a phone call from him to see if he found a notification. I do think it was one of those 10 days we didn't cache together. So I will be concentrating on those days today. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) We know it was between 7/25/2010 and 8/31/2010. Strong possibility, if it went to the spam folder, is it's now been deleted from spam... Most spam is only held for around 30 days before it's deleted by the ISP. Edited January 9, 2011 by Bear and Ragged Quote Link to comment
sabrefan7 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Maybe he logged one twice by mistake and didnt notice? I see that a lot Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Strong possibility, if it went to the spam folder, is it's now been deleted from spam...Most spam is only held for around 30 days before it's deleted by the ISP. heavily depends on the mail provider. some of them (e.g. hotmail/MSN) delete emails detected as spam right away, while others (e.g. google) keep them indefinitely. mail services provided by an ISP are usually not as generous though. Quote Link to comment
+hukilaulau Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 it seems to me there was a brief period of time a while back that log deletion notices were not being sent. This was a bug that was fixed pretty quickly, but if your dad got caught in the middle of it... The only thing I can think of is continue to look at google earth or geocaching google maps and look for an unfound cache that is near some that you do have finds on. The other possibility is a redacted cache. not sure if the finds disappear when that happens. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 mtbikedirtygirl, I notice that your dad uses HTML generated from mygeocachingprofile.com and CacheStats in the information section of his profile page. That tells me that he periodically generates My Finds pocket queries from the geocaching.com database - it looks like as recently as a week ago. I'm hoping he doesn't delete them when he's done with them - if so, then he probably has a folder on his hard drive that has those old PQs with a log for the cache he's missing. Assuming he's using a Windows machine (CacheStats doesn't run on Mac AFAIK), it's probably in his Downloads folder. On my machine, running Vista unfortunately, the path is Desktop > MyLastName > Downloads. From there, each of the times I've run my My Finds query it gets saved with the same zip folder number, just with a parenthetical number appended (the first time I ran it might be 8765309.zip and the most recent might be 8765309(23).zip). So maybe if he still has those PQs, he can use them to figure out what was in some earlier files, but is no longer. Quote Link to comment
+addisonbr Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The other possibility is a redacted cache. not sure if the finds disappear when that happens. They don't... I have a find on a cache that was retracted the following day, and it still shows up for me in all of the relevant places. The link to my log still works (for me and the CO), but the cache page itself is inaccessible. Quote Link to comment
+Walts Hunting Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 It seems from your post that your major concern is that you father's anniversary cache number is what is most important. The loss one cache is pretty insignificant when you are past 1000. How about this. You know the date involved. You know which one is supposed to be the anniversary. You must have found caches by friends. Look for one by a friend that you logged shortly after what should have been the anniversary cache. Contact him about the problem as ask if you can back date the find to before the anniversary cache. This will get the record straight without all the work you will have to go to to find the elusive missing log. A little outside the norm but solves the problem and you can move on. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hmm... I keep an Excel Spreadhsheet of all my finds. But I have received e-mail notification for the few that have been deleted. (One for saying that the final to a multi was 170' off, another for saying that the parking lot of a porn store was not a great location.) The only solution I can come up with is for your father to to loot at all of the caches where he was hunting during that time period, and see if any strinkes him as familiar. Quote Link to comment
+Huntleigh Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Hmm... I keep an Excel Spreadhsheet of all my finds. But I have received e-mail notification for the few that have been deleted. (One for saying that the final to a multi was 170' off, another for saying that the parking lot of a porn store was not a great location.) The only solution I can come up with is for your father to to loot at all of the caches where he was hunting during that time period, and see if any strinkes him as familiar. Looting caches is sure to get him deleted. Quote Link to comment
+Harry Dolphin Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Hmm... I keep an Excel Spreadhsheet of all my finds. But I have received e-mail notification for the few that have been deleted. (One for saying that the final to a multi was 170' off, another for saying that the parking lot of a porn store was not a great location.) The only solution I can come up with is for your father to to loot at all of the caches where he was hunting during that time period, and see if any strinkes him as familiar. Looting caches is sure to get him deleted. Very kind of you to point out that I have made a bad suggestion. I shall no longer suggest that anyone should loot caches. Again, thanks for pointing out to me my error. Quote Link to comment
+Cpt.Blackbeard Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 One more thought, when I find a cache I mark it found in my GPSr which marks it on its Calender, perhaps his still has the record of found caches? Quote Link to comment
+Rick618 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Yep, I was going to suggest checking his found cache log on his gps calendar. If you need a cache to log you are welcome to use any of mine and date it whenever. Quote Link to comment
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