+jpamusher Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 I am going to be hiking in the Grand Canyon in a few weeks and was thinking of hiding a geocoin that I recently retrieved along a trail in the Canyon. I know that geocaches are not permitted in National Parks but this wouldn`t really be like placing a cache there and it would be gone once another cacher hiked by and retrieved it. Would this be acceptable or should geocoins only be placed in other caches? Quote
knowschad Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 I am going to be hiking in the Grand Canyon in a few weeks and was thinking of hiding a geocoin that I recently retrieved along a trail in the Canyon. I know that geocaches are not permitted in National Parks but this wouldn`t really be like placing a cache there and it would be gone once another cacher hiked by and retrieved it. Would this be acceptable or should geocoins only be placed in other caches? Geocoins have to be dropped in to a cache. They are never just "hidden" as you would hide a cache. Geocaches are allowed in the National Parks, but only at the discretion of the park superintendant. I don't know which, if any of the National Parks, allow them. Quote
+wimseyguy Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 If the goal of the coin is to travel from cache to cache, you should respect the coin owner's wishes and drop it into another cache. If you just leave it along the trail the chances of another hiker grabbing it are much smaller. Quote
+Cpl. Klinger Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 I am going to be hiking in the Grand Canyon in a few weeks and was thinking of hiding a geocoin that I recently retrieved along a trail in the Canyon. I know that geocaches are not permitted in National Parks but this wouldn`t really be like placing a cache there and it would be gone once another cacher hiked by and retrieved it. Would this be acceptable or should geocoins only be placed in other caches? If you already know you can't leave a cache there, why would you think it would be acceptable to leave a geocoin? Only leave geocoins or TB's in caches that are already approved and listed. Aside from the fact that hiding something like this would further raise the ire of the NPS, you are virtually guaranteeing that it will come up missing because: a critter gets it and moves it, weather moves it through floods, winds, or even fire, or some muggle stumbles across it and takes it. Quote
+jpamusher Posted September 3, 2009 Author Posted September 3, 2009 Are you allowed to leave items in the Grand Canyon? I guess that I will just place it another cache out west then. Even if I did leave it under some rocks along the Tonto trail,I don`t know how I would log that it was there waiting to be found. Quote
knowschad Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Are you allowed to leave items in the Grand Canyon? I guess that I will just place it another cache out west then. Even if I did leave it under some rocks along the Tonto trail,I don`t know how I would log that it was there waiting to be found. Well, I suppose that you *could* post a note on the coin's page, giving the coordinates, but that would be wrong on many levels. Nobody looks at coin pages to see where they are... they look at cache pages and see that there are coins in them. Quote
+Cpl. Klinger Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Are you allowed to leave items in the Grand Canyon? I looked on the NPS site for the Grand Canyon, and saw no mention of being able to leave anything (even stores of food or water) in the Canyon, but saw plenty of mentions to carry everything you took in out with you. Quote
+brokenoaks Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Nearly five million people visit The Grand Canyon every year. if each one left something in it even as small as a geocoin I wonder how long it would take to fill it up. perhaps that's why the USFS has rules addressing such activities. rember this topic? "Forest Service taking caches" Edited September 3, 2009 by brokenoaks Quote
+Cpl. Klinger Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Nearly five million people visit The Grand Canyon every year. if each one left something in it even as small as a geocoin I wonder how long it would take to fill it up. perhaps that's why the USFS has rules addressing such activities. rember this topic? "Forest Service taking caches" Had to figure this one out... Assuming that each geocoin left is a standard size (.10 thick x 2" wide x 2" wide, not correcting for it being a circle for simplicity), 5 million geocoins left in one year would equal out to 166,666.67 cubic feet of material left. That is a square 31.56 miles high, wide, and deep. Yeah, bad idea... Quote
knowschad Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Nearly five million people visit The Grand Canyon every year. if each one left something in it even as small as a geocoin I wonder how long it would take to fill it up. perhaps that's why the USFS has rules addressing such activities. rember this topic? "Forest Service taking caches" Had to figure this one out... Assuming that each geocoin left is a standard size (.10 thick x 2" wide x 2" wide, not correcting for it being a circle for simplicity), 5 million geocoins left in one year would equal out to 166,666.67 cubic feet of material left. That is a square 31.56 miles high, wide, and deep. Yeah, bad idea... Wow! My swag bag isn't even that big! Quote
+Castle Mischief Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 No offense to the OP, but after 34 trackable finds I'm a little alarmed that you didn't think leaving a geocoin out sans cache wad a bad idea. Have you ever found any this way? Quote
+wimseyguy Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Maybe he's never dropped any of those 34? Quote
+steve p Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Had to figure this one out... Assuming that each geocoin left is a standard size (.10 thick x 2" wide x 2" wide, not correcting for it being a circle for simplicity), 5 million geocoins left in one year would equal out to 166,666.67 cubic feet of material left. That is a square 31.56 miles high, wide, and deep. Yeah, bad idea... OK, I got different results: One geocoin is 0.1" x 2" x 2". That's 0.000231 cubic feet. Five million geocoins is 1,157 cubic feet. (That's a cube 10.5 feet on each side.) One cubic mile is 147,197,952,000 cubic feet. Therefore, five million geocoins is 0.00000079% of one cubic mile. Quote
+BlueDeuce Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 If the goal of the coin is to travel from cache to cache, you should respect the coin owner's wishes and drop it into another cache. If you just leave it along the trail the chances of another hiker grabbing it are much smaller. It's a great way to lose the coin forever. Quote
+secretagentbill Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 So THAT's where all the "missing" geocoins go... they're all hidden under rocks in undisclosed locations!!! Quote
Keystone Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 I am moving this thread from the Geocaching Topics forum to a spot beneath a random rock somewhere in another forum. Maybe the Luxembourg forum. Quote
+drneal Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 Nearly five million people visit The Grand Canyon every year. if each one left something in it even as small as a geocoin I wonder how long it would take to fill it up. perhaps that's why the USFS has rules addressing such activities. rember this topic? "Forest Service taking caches" Had to figure this one out... Assuming that each geocoin left is a standard size (.10 thick x 2" wide x 2" wide, not correcting for it being a circle for simplicity), 5 million geocoins left in one year would equal out to 166,666.67 cubic feet of material left. That is a square 31.56 miles high, wide, and deep. Yeah, bad idea... Could someone please pm me a list of coins being used to fill the Grand Canyon, so I know if I should be planninga trip there in the near future? Quote
+Eartha Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Unacceptable. You can only track a geocoin from cache to cache. The logistics of getting word to the one person who might hike that trail to grab the coin within a reasonable period of time are too far fetched. If it is not your geocoin, the owner might get upset. But nothing says you can't take photos of this coin at that location and upload them to the geocoin page, with coordinates to the location in your log, but don't leave it there, where there is no cache. <edit to fix a sentence> Edited September 4, 2009 by Eartha Quote
+BlueDeuce Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 So THAT's where all the "missing" geocoins go... they're all hidden under rocks in undisclosed locations!!! I'm going to have to start looking under rocks more often! Quote
+Steve&GeoCarolyn Posted September 3, 2009 Posted September 3, 2009 I am moving this thread from the Geocaching Topics forum to a spot beneath a random rock somewhere in another forum. Maybe the Luxembourg forum. I am suddenly disappointed that we have not travelled to Luxembourg through the magic of Keystone's pipe. Carolyn Quote
PastorJon Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 I am moving this thread from the Geocaching Topics forum to a spot beneath a random rock somewhere in another forum. Maybe the Luxembourg forum. And who said that moderators around here don't have a sense of humor? Quote
+Droo Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 I would suggest to the OP that he do this with one of HIS coins first and see how well it works out. Re-inventing the wheel with someone else's property is not playing nice. Quote
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