davenjulie Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Hi 1st stupid question Today we found a cache that had a tracking tag in it, could we have taken it if we had wanted and put something in its place, and should we if we had but didnt thought we'd ask first, then put it another, it can be seen best in the 2nd image. 2nd stupid question do the photos give away the location of the cache Clicky Link To Cache and would these images be classed as spoilers if so I will remove them? Dave EDITED IMAGES REMOVED Edited September 30, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
+JeremyR Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Depends really... Some people will say that pictures of the container are spoilers because they tell people exactly what they're looking for. As for pictures taken right at the cache hiding spot, personally I don't think they're spoilers unless you say they are because people who've not found it won't know that the hiding spot is in the photo, will they? (unless it's really obvious - 6"x8" depression in long grass) The TB question, travel bugs and geocoins are not considered trade items. You can swap a TB for another TB, a TB (out) for some other geo-tat (in) or just take the TB and leave nowt. The point of the TB is to move, not be traded fairly for... (edited for clarity ) Edited September 29, 2008 by JeremyR Quote Link to comment
+Delta68 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Firstly TBs and Geocoins are NOT swaps. You do not need to leave anything if you take them and you should not take anything when you leave them. I saw a log just today saying: "Left TB, Took Alarm Clock" This is plain wrong! Photos of caches: Unless it says 'No spoliers' etc don't worry about it. Like many cachers, we seldom look at cache pages and photos before hand anyway M Edited September 29, 2008 by Delta68 Quote Link to comment
NickPick Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 My answers to your not stupid questions: 1: You don't need to leave anything as a swap for a trackable tag/coin. They are meant to travel and not to be swapped for things. 2: I'd say that your photos are not spoilers. They do show the container, but unless it's a particularly unusual container or a "Hidden in plain view" type of box, then that's no problem. The photos don't show anything to give away the location of the cache. Quote Link to comment
+Delta68 Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I wonder how many extra hits your holidays website got this afternoon... M Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Depends really... Some people will say that pictures of the container are spoilers because they tell people exactly what they're looking for. As for pictures taken right at the cache hiding spot, personally I don't think they're spoilers unless you say they are because people who've not found it won't know that the hiding spot is in the photo, will they? (unless it's really obvious - 6"x8" depression in long grass) The TB question, travel bugs and geocoins are not considered trade items. You can swap a TB for another TB, a TB for some other geo-tat or just take the TB and leave nowt. The point of the TB is to move, not be traded fairly for... Cheers Jeremy, it was showing the container and location that worried me, thanks for the info about the trackables Firstly TBs and Geocoins are NOT swaps. You do not need to leave anything if you take them and you should not take anything when you leave them I saw a log just today saying: "Left TB, Took Alarm Clock" This is plain wrong! Photos of caches: Unless it says 'No spoliers' etc don't worry about it. Like many cachers, we seldom look at cache pages and photos before hand anyway M Thanks Delta, its becoming more clearer now, just didnt want to upset anyone My answers to your not stupid questions: 1: You don't need to leave anything as a swap for a trackable tag/coin. They are meant to travel and not to be swapped for things. 2: I'd say that your photos are not spoilers. They do show the container, but unless it's a particularly unusual container or a "Hidden in plain view" type of box, then that's no problem. The photos don't show anything to give away the location of the cache. Nick, It does state it the cache note it mentions "Hidden in plain view", the clicky link on my OP is to the cache page Edit I just looked my self again to see if it does mention it but cant see it now Many thanks for your swift answers Dave Edited September 29, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
SlytherinAlex Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) I wonder how many extra hits your holidays website got this afternoon... M Well thanks to you, he just got another one. I'm naturally nosey. I'm booking to go to Zakinthos right now. This place looks like so much fun. Edited September 29, 2008 by SlytherinAlex Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted September 29, 2008 Author Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) I wonder how many extra hits your holidays website got this afternoon... M Hi Delta we just have our holiday photos and travelogues on there for others to read up about destinations they may be looking at going 12 hits today not many I wonder how many extra hits your holidays website got this afternoon... M Well thanks to you, he just got another one. I'm naturally nosey. I'm booking to go to Zakinthos right now. This place looks like so much fun. Dave Edited September 29, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 TBs and Geocoins are NOT swaps. You do not need to leave anything if you take them and you should not take anything when you leave them. (TB hotels may be a different case, as it helps to leave something for the next cacher, BUT a TB's aim is to travel, not sit in a cache...) A photograph of the container may or may not be a spoiler, if it an unusual container on it may give the game away... Unless the cache owner gives a description. Your third picture could be a spoiler as there is a very identifiable landmark in the background. Quote Link to comment
+PopUpPirate Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 I thought I recognised that landmark!! It's the Mormon Temple at Chorley - you can see it from everywhere, so I wouldn't bother about it being a spoiler Cracking series, the NW Nutters one, Nandad and Team Scorps have hid some sneaky ones on there! Quote Link to comment
+The Spokes Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Personally I would say that it could well be a spoiler due to this in the cache description The caches vary in size and complexity from nano to large from traditional to new containers and some very cunning disguises and hiding places We are putting out camo caches now, and like caches that are trying to be different. Still the best people to ask if the picture is a spoiler would be the cache setters, they would be the only ones who could give you the correct answer to your question. Quote Link to comment
+JeremyR Posted September 29, 2008 Share Posted September 29, 2008 Further to earlier post, one thing I forgot that nobody else has mentioned is that posting pictures of the cache site when it's multi or puzzle cache is definitely a spoiler in almost all circumstances... Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 These are definitely spoilers, but there's a warning on the cache page ("Warning. Spoilers may be included in the descriptions or links. "). Quote Link to comment
+perth pathfinders Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Showing a 'Disco' container is a Spoiler and spoils the fun for the next person, therefore I see that one as a definate No No! Just the same as mentioning the container in your online log is a No No! Showing the final destination for a Multi is possibly a Spoiler (although even if showing the view into the distance, you still need to do the multi to get the coords). Photos of nice views will also encourage people to go there. Again being carefull how you word your online log. Showing the final destination for a traditional - well does this one really matter - you still have to trek out there to find the cache - and isn't the name of the game to 'find' the cache? I would prefer it if you left a swap for a swap, leaving a TB/Coin and taking a swap will soon deplete supplies. Commonsense rules I think! Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Showing a 'Disco' container is a Spoiler and spoils the fun for the next person, therefore I see that one as a definate No No! Just the same as mentioning the container in your online log is a No No! Showing the final destination for a Multi is possibly a Spoiler (although even if showing the view into the distance, you still need to do the multi to get the coords). Photos of nice views will also encourage people to go there. Again being carefull how you word your online log. Showing the final destination for a traditional - well does this one really matter - you still have to trek out there to find the cache - and isn't the name of the game to 'find' the cache? I would prefer it if you left a swap for a swap, leaving a TB/Coin and taking a swap will soon deplete supplies. Commonsense rules I think! Consider them removed sorry Im new and did asked above I didnt mean to upset anyone It was just a mistake by me Ive learned now, hope it didnt spoil it for anyone as that was not my intention by posting photo and descriptions, I am new to it and feel quite upset now, I was just over the moon to find it, and thought Id share my success wrists slapped wont happen again Dave N Julie Edited September 30, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
+SkiBums (UK) Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Don't be upset, there's worse things you could have done and at least you know now. Quote Link to comment
+Fuchsiamagic Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 It might be seen as cheating by some, but I get a lot of fun from trying to deduce the final location of a multi or puzzle cache just by studying the photos in the gallery, (not the spoilers). I always do the puzzle as it was intended (if I can) and get quite a buzz of satisfaction when my hunch about the where the cache is proves to be correct! Quote Link to comment
+perth pathfinders Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Consider them removed sorry Im new and did asked above I didnt mean to upset anyone It was just a mistake by me Ive learned now, hope it didnt spoil it for anyone as that was not my intention by posting photo and descriptions, I am new to it and feel quite upset now, I was just over the moon to find it, and thought Id share my success wrists slapped wont happen again Dave N Julie I apologise for my sharp reply. That container was simply covered with camo tape and I don't think it will do too much harm, but as you cache more and more you will see some very cleverly disguised containers (Disco's), which could give the game away. I do hope you continue to enjoy finding caches and sorry If my answer upset you. Continue asking your questions, we are all here to help, we were all new once!! Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted September 30, 2008 Author Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Consider them removed sorry Im new and did asked above I didnt mean to upset anyone It was just a mistake by me Ive learned now, hope it didnt spoil it for anyone as that was not my intention by posting photo and descriptions, I am new to it and feel quite upset now, I was just over the moon to find it, and thought Id share my success wrists slapped wont happen again Dave N Julie I apologise for my sharp reply. That container was simply covered with camo tape and I don't think it will do too much harm, but as you cache more and more you will see some very cleverly disguised containers (Disco's), which could give the game away. I do hope you continue to enjoy finding caches and sorry If my answer upset you. Continue asking your questions, we are all here to help, we were all new once!! Hi thanks for the info, no need to apologize, but myself, it wasn't the way you replied that upset, me it was the thought of spoiling the fun for other people, and your time and thought to hide it, thanks for your understanding, I will learn more as you say as I get to know more about it and hopefully meet other cachers Dave Edited September 30, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I saw this photo: "View From Cache" on the cache page (cache now archived) and knew to the foot where the cache was hidden! And wasn't proved wrong. Found it without looking at the GPSr. Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 .....as you cache more and more you will see some very cleverly disguised containers (Disco's), which could give the game away. I haven't heard that abbreviation before - I hope you can pass that one on to Simply Paul for his Caching Lexicon. MrsB Quote Link to comment
+JeremyR Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I saw this photo: "View From Cache" <snip> on the cache page (cache now archived) and knew to the foot where the cache was hidden! And wasn't proved wrong. Found it without looking at the GPSr. That's always going to happen sometimes though. I guess multi-billion dollar satellites are no substitute for local knowledge? Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 I saw this photo: "View From Cache" <snip> on the cache page (cache now archived) and knew to the foot where the cache was hidden! And wasn't proved wrong. Found it without looking at the GPSr. That's always going to happen sometimes though. I guess multi-billion dollar satellites are no substitute for local knowledge? Yes, that one was local knowledge. But a good eye after seeing a photo on the cache page can be a big help. Quote Link to comment
+sssss Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 davenjulie, feel free to post spoilers on my caches if you wish, i never have a problem with it unlike some. the only thing which i find polite is to mark the photo spoiler then that gives others the option on how closely they wish to look at the image. sssss Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) Cheers everyone for you replies davenjulie, feel free to post spoilers on my caches if you wish, i never have a problem with it unlike some. the only thing which i find polite is to mark the photo spoiler then that gives others the option on how closely they wish to look at the image. sssss Hi sssss I was unsure what a spoiler actually was, that's why I started this thread, I now know, in both as added test and images, I will err on the side of not posting spoilers, think that's best, or cryptic type clues within my logs, that would not be read as an obvious clue, but will always respect the wishes of the planter (hider/setter) dont know if that's the right term, but thanks for your views on them, Thanks again everyone for you patience Dave Edited October 1, 2008 by davenjulie Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think that everyone realised that it was an honest question, and I don't see that you upset anyone. It's hard to exactly define what's a spoiler and what isn't: it depends on the type of cache and what is shown in the photo. Your example seemed to be a cache where the camouflage was designed to add an extra challenge to the find, so it was more important to avoid showing photos of the container in this case. Mostly, traditional caches can be shown if the photo doesn't also reveal the hiding place. Sometimes the cache owner will supply a photo of the container in situ, with "SPOILER" as the photo title. The point of this is to help a cacher who thinks that the cache has gone missing. If they can match the photo to a hiding place near to the location and they know what the container looks like then they can be fairly sure if it's gone missing. Which saves wasting too much time and alerts the cache owner to the problem. You could have put "SPOILER" in the title of your photos too, but I would have e-mailed the cache owner at the same time and offer to delete the photos if deemed to undermine the cache challenge. Quote Link to comment
davenjulie Posted October 1, 2008 Author Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think that everyone realised that it was an honest question, and I don't see that you upset anyone. It's hard to exactly define what's a spoiler and what isn't: it depends on the type of cache and what is shown in the photo. Your example seemed to be a cache where the camouflage was designed to add an extra challenge to the find, so it was more important to avoid showing photos of the container in this case. Mostly, traditional caches can be shown if the photo doesn't also reveal the hiding place. Sometimes the cache owner will supply a photo of the container in situ, with "SPOILER" as the photo title. The point of this is to help a cacher who thinks that the cache has gone missing. If they can match the photo to a hiding place near to the location and they know what the container looks like then they can be fairly sure if it's gone missing. Which saves wasting too much time and alerts the cache owner to the problem. You could have put "SPOILER" in the title of your photos too, but I would have e-mailed the cache owner at the same time and offer to delete the photos if deemed to undermine the cache challenge. Hi HH My photo didn't actually show the cache in it's hiding place, the photo was taken with out much or very little foreground, and not facing the cache, what it did show was, we had took the cache a approx 10 yards away, but there was an identifiable landmark in the distance, my photos however did show the container and contents, and to be fair it was in plain view in it hiding place, so prob regarded a spoiler, I have removed the images and changed my log, they were only there for a few hours, so hopefully not many people saw them, well I lived and learned, Thanks for your reply Dave Quote Link to comment
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