+Birdman-of-liskatraz Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 "Coordinates were way out" - I'm famed locally for having not very good coordinates on some of my caches. Yet by the look of others logs on other peoples caches I'm not the only one with a problem (Thankfully I have a new GPS so I'm hoping for more accurate coordinates from now on in!) Anyway what really gets up my nose are cachers who say "The coordinates are way out" or "The coordinates are 79 feet out" or in one case "Our two GPSrs confirmed the coordinates were over 100 feet out" BUT then don't add their readings to the logs so that others may have the benefit of their experience. Certainly if two cachers gave me readings that agreed then I'd very likely change the coordinates for the cache. May I say my comments aren't aimed at any cachers in particular, just cachers as a group. I think I have enough such comments to make it impossible to narrow it down to one person! Quote Link to comment
+Birdman-of-liskatraz Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 And we'll were at it! - Stick/Rock/Stoneaflague.......... I'm as guilty as the next cacher I suspect. We recently did a Multicache which was pretty much ruined by overzealous use of Logoflague... we walked over a little wooden footbridge on the way to the first waypoint.. and there right by the side of the bridge was a neat pile of logs and bark. I said to my son - "I bet that's the cache" - lifted up the logs, and there was the cache container - a perfectly camoflagued box. If it wasn't under a huge pile of logs we would never have seen it. Less is more - as they say... Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 ...Anyway what really gets up my nose are cachers who say "The coordinates are way out" or "The coordinates are 79 feet out" or in one case "Our two GPSrs confirmed the coordinates were over 100 feet out" BUT then don't add their readings to the logs so that others may have the benefit of their experience.... That's a fair comment. Quote Link to comment
+Johnmelad Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 "Coordinates were way out" - I'm famed locally for having not very good coordinates on some of my caches. Yet by the look of others logs on other peoples caches I'm not the only one with a problem (Thankfully I have a new GPS so I'm hoping for more accurate coordinates from now on in!) Anyway what really gets up my nose are cachers who say "The coordinates are way out" or "The coordinates are 79 feet out" or in one case "Our two GPSrs confirmed the coordinates were over 100 feet out" BUT then don't add their readings to the logs so that others may have the benefit of their experience. Certainly if two cachers gave me readings that agreed then I'd very likely change the coordinates for the cache. May I say my comments aren't aimed at any cachers in particular, just cachers as a group. I think I have enough such comments to make it impossible to narrow it down to one person! Does your GPS allow you to do an average? I often let it run while I hide the Cache, ofter to a hundred averages or more. Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 <snip>I think I have enough such comments to make it impossible to narrow it down to one person! I thought similarly about something else recently! What gets up my nose sometimes is overfull cache boxes. This often happens when they are first set and they are crammed with (usually quite good, actually) goodies and there's no room for anything else or a sensible swap. I'd rather see two caches with half the contents in each. (I’d rather see two caches, period). It then happens again when people put their (huge) delightful McDonald’s toys in for our delectation. Lovely. Today I saw this log (from someone who doesn't often use the forums so I should be safe - although I have removed the item name, just in case they log in!): “Cache full to overflowing! Took: nothing Left: ******” Why put more into a full box? Quote Link to comment
+John Stead Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 "Coordinates were way out" - I'm famed locally for having not very good coordinates on some of my caches. Yet by the look of others logs on other peoples caches I'm not the only one with a problem (Thankfully I have a new GPS so I'm hoping for more accurate coordinates from now on in!) Anyway what really gets up my nose are cachers who say "The coordinates are way out" or "The coordinates are 79 feet out" or in one case "Our two GPSrs confirmed the coordinates were over 100 feet out" BUT then don't add their readings to the logs so that others may have the benefit of their experience. Certainly if two cachers gave me readings that agreed then I'd very likely change the coordinates for the cache. May I say my comments aren't aimed at any cachers in particular, just cachers as a group. I think I have enough such comments to make it impossible to narrow it down to one person! Does your GPS allow you to do an average? I often let it run while I hide the Cache, ofter to a hundred averages or more. Even better - either let the GPSr average readings over a period or take several readings, then take it 100 ft or so away and return to repeat the process. Quote Link to comment
The Royles Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Even better - either let the GPSr average readings over a period or take several readings, then take it 100 ft or so away and return to repeat the process. Maybe he does that, but forgets the return bit.... Sorry, couldnt resist, no offence meant, twas just a joke (said whilst walking slowly backwards out of this thread) Quote Link to comment
+Birdman-of-liskatraz Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 HUMMMM I have a Garmin 60 Csx now - so yes I can average readings and that is just what I do now. But in Etrex days yes I used to have a few problems... But the thread wasn't about how to take better readings, but more ow to encourage others to give their readings if they found yours to be incorrect. Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 (edited) Even better - either let the GPSr average readings over a period or take several readings, then take it 100 ft or so away and return to repeat the process. Maybe he does that, but forgets the return bit.... Sorry, couldnt resist, no offence meant, twas just a joke (said whilst walking slowly backwards out of this thread) In the current climate I'd suggest a brisk trot rather than a backwards walk! Edited August 21, 2007 by jerryo Quote Link to comment
+Jackplug Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 (edited) Part of the enjoyment in our sport is the searching for the cache, using our skills of detection. I too have read miles out 100 ft away, so what some have £500 GPSS others £80. It seems some would pay more if A flag popped up from the base of A tree and said here I am!! Have fun and enjoy the sport rather then the technology. Kevin. Edited August 21, 2007 by Jackplug Quote Link to comment
+Sensei TSKC Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Today I saw this log (from someone who doesn't often use the forums so I should be safe - although I have removed the item name, just in case they log in!): "Cache full to overflowing! Took: nothing Left: ******" Why put more into a full box? Because they can! Anyway, to put in and not take is alot less sinful than taking out and not putting in. There's just no pleasing some people! Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Today I saw this log (from someone who doesn't often use the forums so I should be safe - although I have removed the item name, just in case they log in!): "Cache full to overflowing! Took: nothing Left: ******" Why put more into a full box? Because they can! Anyway, to put in and not take is alot less sinful than taking out and not putting in. There's just no pleasing some people! Hmmm. Good point. Quote Link to comment
+SidAndBob Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Anyway what really gets up my nose are cachers who say "The coordinates are way out" or "The coordinates are 79 feet out" or in one case "Our two GPSrs confirmed the coordinates were over 100 feet out" BUT then don't add their readings to the logs so that others may have the benefit of their experience. I was faced with this situation recently on a traditional cache we visited. When I posted the coordinates (it seemed like the sensible thing to do) I was met with an abusive email from the cache placer telling me they'd get my log deleted if I didn't remove the coordinates. I appreciate this is hopefully a one-off incident, but it does tend to put you off trying to help out in future. Quote Link to comment
+HazelS Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Loads of things pee me off... here's a few... Someone moves into your local area from far away and starts chucking out micros... in lovely places, but doesn't bother to find out the history etc of the place and just says - nice place for a picnic New cachers who do a cache and say - coords way out - I couldn't believe it when the GPS said I still had 30ft to go, and yet there was the cache! Micros in woods, forests, in the middle of nowhere.... why?? I'll tell you why... The setter is plain lazy and can't be bothered maintaining a full sized box. badly thought out caches.... it's placed somewhere a bit questionnable, yet 40ft up the path there's a huge tree with some great hidey holes in it I could go on, but I'd go on all night!!! Quote Link to comment
+headshot119 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Loads of things pee me off... here's a few... Someone moves into your local area from far away and starts chucking out micros... in lovely places, but doesn't bother to find out the history etc of the place and just says - nice place for a picnic New cachers who do a cache and say - coords way out - I couldn't believe it when the GPS said I still had 30ft to go, and yet there was the cache! Micros in woods, forests, in the middle of nowhere.... why?? I'll tell you why... The setter is plain lazy and can't be bothered maintaining a full sized box. badly thought out caches.... it's placed somewhere a bit questionnable, yet 40ft up the path there's a huge tree with some great hidey holes in it I could go on, but I'd go on all night!!! I know what you mean. Quote Link to comment
+SidAndBob Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Loads of things pee me off... here's a few... Someone moves into your local area from far away and starts chucking out micros... in lovely places, but doesn't bother to find out the history etc of the place and just says - nice place for a picnic New cachers who do a cache and say - coords way out - I couldn't believe it when the GPS said I still had 30ft to go, and yet there was the cache! Micros in woods, forests, in the middle of nowhere.... why?? I'll tell you why... The setter is plain lazy and can't be bothered maintaining a full sized box. badly thought out caches.... it's placed somewhere a bit questionnable, yet 40ft up the path there's a huge tree with some great hidey holes in it I could go on, but I'd go on all night!!! Not had the first one, but I know what you mean on the others. How about where the cacher decides to completely ignore any instructions on how to get to the cache and then complains about the route. Quote Link to comment
nobby.nobbs Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 my normal technique would be to post that co-ords are so many feet out and then email the co-ords i got. that way the owner can amend if they want or not but can't complain about them in the log. people not following the path and getting stuck in mud all the time... Quote Link to comment
+Pharisee Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 Today I saw this log (from someone who doesn't often use the forums so I should be safe - although I have removed the item name, just in case they log in!): "Cache full to overflowing! Took: nothing Left: ******" Why put more into a full box? I did a cache recently (just after the floods had subsided) that had been placed close to the River Thames. It had survived by virtue of being covered by lumps of concrete and was in a place that wouldn't have been subjected to currents of any strength. It was however, very wet inside. The box was a modest sized 'Lock & Lock' type that was in good condition but the lid was being held off the seal because a soft toy had been crammed into it. I dried off the logbook and contents as best I could but the soft toy was very soggy so I took that away to dry it out. I didn't put anything back to replace it as the box was full enough anyway. Do I feel guilty... not at all Quote Link to comment
+Santaliki Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 But what do you do on a mystery cache? I did one recently and I thought the coords were about 70' out but you get the coords from a series of clues. I mentioned it in my log, but didn't give the actual coords because otherwise I was giving everybody the results of the puzzle. Other folks had also mentioned it in the log at the cache. Quote Link to comment
+drsolly Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 But what do you do on a mystery cache? I did one recently and I thought the coords were about 70' out but you get the coords from a series of clues. I mentioned it in my log, but didn't give the actual coords because otherwise I was giving everybody the results of the puzzle. Other folks had also mentioned it in the log at the cache. You could say someting like, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Westing" Quote Link to comment
+Dobunnis Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 My main rant at the moment is to do with people grabbing TBs. We were on holiday so it was hard to do any logging while on the road and we did not find or drop many TBs anyway, but when we got back all those we had dropped had been grabbed with a mention that it was in a different cache to that listed. Now I can understand why they have been grabbed (it has to be done sometimes) but this was only a few days later and they did it straight after finding. We always try to wait a while before doing this even though it means we have to remember to do it at a later date. Why not just discover you say. Well normally I do but I think it is nice to have the whole trail for the TB owner (and for the milage) so it should be logged into all the caches it has been in. If the grabber has logged it into the cache that is fine but this time that was not the case. Then I have the debate about grabbing back to put it in or contacting the person. This is my own personal gripe and I accept it is only a weak one but I have just had to log 73 caches and 6 TBs in the last couple of days and it takes long enough (longer than finding them) as it is! Helen Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 But what do you do on a mystery cache? I did one recently and I thought the coords were about 70' out but you get the coords from a series of clues. I mentioned it in my log, but didn't give the actual coords because otherwise I was giving everybody the results of the puzzle. Other folks had also mentioned it in the log at the cache. You could say someting like, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Westing" Or, better still, you could say, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Easting" Quote Link to comment
NickPick Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 You could say someting like, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Westing" Or, better still, you could say, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Easting" That would depend on which side of the greenwich meridian you are! I suppose that strictly speaking we should say longitude and latitude, but if we said "Adds to longitude", then should that mean "Moves it east" as positive longitudes are east of greenwich. Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 (edited) Original post deleted: this is more of a nasal irk: What really does get up my nose is when you go out to set a multi in what looks like a nice countryside area and you try to combine this with a walk for the dog with the result that the dog ends up in veterinary casualty because some tosser has broken some bottles and left them lying around. We cachers might have a few gripes about each other occasionally but on the whole I think we’re a decent bunch. Edited August 22, 2007 by jerryo Quote Link to comment
+Santaliki Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 But what do you do on a mystery cache? I did one recently and I thought the coords were about 70' out but you get the coords from a series of clues. I mentioned it in my log, but didn't give the actual coords because otherwise I was giving everybody the results of the puzzle. Other folks had also mentioned it in the log at the cache. You could say someting like, "My GPS gave a reading that adds 12 to the Northing and 17 to the Westing" Ah... Drsolly what a good idea. I shall do that if I can find my paperwork! Actually, I copied down the coords you had written in the log book as well to see how yours compared with mine. It was raining quite heavily by that stage and son.2 was urging me to get a move on! Glad to see you have gone to 3 stars, but I still have a headache! Quote Link to comment
+Delta68 Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 How about where the cacher decides to completely ignore any instructions on how to get to the cache and then complains about the route. It's like you're reading my mind!!! We have had this on our own caches. We go to a lot of trouble to specify a parking area which would then offer the most pleasant/safest route to the cache so it's REALLY ANNOYING when people ignore this, take a shorter route and then complain about flytipping, mud, walking along busy roads etc. Quote Link to comment
+Tiger-Eyes Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 My main rant at the moment is to do with people grabbing TBs. We were on holiday so it was hard to do any logging while on the road and we did not find or drop many TBs anyway, but when we got back all those we had dropped had been grabbed with a mention that it was in a different cache to that listed. Now I can understand why they have been grabbed (it has to be done sometimes) but this was only a few days later and they did it straight after finding. We always try to wait a while before doing this even though it means we have to remember to do it at a later date. Why not just discover you say. Well normally I do but I think it is nice to have the whole trail for the TB owner (and for the milage) so it should be logged into all the caches it has been in. If the grabber has logged it into the cache that is fine but this time that was not the case. Then I have the debate about grabbing back to put it in or contacting the person. This is my own personal gripe and I accept it is only a weak one but I have just had to log 73 caches and 6 TBs in the last couple of days and it takes long enough (longer than finding them) as it is! Helen When I leave tb's on my hols I attatch a note explaing that i not be able log this until ?? a date as I am away from home and so far I haven't had any probs, apart from one coin cos i forgot which cache i left it in DOH What really gets up my nose is rarely cachers fault but it's dog poo, one cache i did this week had a pile at every other step Quote Link to comment
+jerryo Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 What really gets up my nose is rarely cachers fault but it's dog poo, one cache i did this week had a pile at every other step I find it irritating when not only do you find dog $#!t but it's been carefully bagged - like you're supposed to - and THEN dumped. Dog crap that’ll last 200 years. What's that all about? Quote Link to comment
+Foinavon Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 STUPID CLUES! You are in the middle of a forest and the clue is "Tree". or even worse is when the clue has nothing to do with the actual location of the cache and is some kind of joke. I don't mind cryptic clues but I prefer no clue at all to a useless one. Quote Link to comment
+Malpas Wanderer Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) Edited i.e removed at the request of a respected member of our community. Blog thoughts of the day Enforcement Rule break Chastisement Edited August 23, 2007 by Malpas Wanderer Quote Link to comment
Moss Trooper Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 When I started cacheing.. if you got within 30ft (10mtrs) or theres abouts, you started to hunt. I have read logs where folks have complained that the co-ords are 6ft out!!! One of the best logs I can remember was on the lines of " OK.. 30ft time to get dirty". Remeber GPSr is relying on miniscule time delays so to me its all down to different days, weather conditions etc. As for picking your own route. To me part of the fun is finding places to park, finding the route.. realising you just wallked 2 miles to find it on the other side of a stream (Time to get wet). So.. my gripe is cachers who want to be lead by the hand so to speak to the exact spot, then complain cos it's damp, in a gourse bush an there are 5 cows in the field. Quote Link to comment
+walkergeoff and wife Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 STUPID CLUES! You are in the middle of a forest and the clue is "Tree". or even worse is when the clue has nothing to do with the actual location of the cache and is some kind of joke. I don't mind cryptic clues but I prefer no clue at all to a useless one. Right on! Quote Link to comment
+Coppers Lot Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) **Don't leave yourself logged onto someone elses laptop!! they make entries under the wrong person!!** Can this entry be deleted? Edited August 23, 2007 by Coppers Lot Quote Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.