+crispete Posted January 18, 2004 Share Posted January 18, 2004 So scented candles that I saw the other day in my cache are bad too I suppose? What, because the smell attracts animals? Or someone will light one up and burn down the forest, or both? Quote Link to comment
+Confucius' Cat Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 Well of course someone is going to burn down the forest. How dare you have such dangerous things in your cache. Bad Owner! Bad Owner! Now get right out there and take out all that dangerous stuff and put in a non flammable log book (a wet one will suffice). Quote Link to comment
+Team GPSaxophone Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So scented candles that I saw the other day in my cache are bad too I suppose? What, because the smell attracts animals? Or someone will light one up and burn down the forest, or both? Animals have a much better sense of smell than we do. Scented items do not belong in caches as they attract animals. They will eat through Tupperware to get to something that smells good to them. Quote Link to comment
+rusty_tlc Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 So ... in the US waterproof matches, condoms, lighters, pocket-knifes and beer are considered to be inappropriate items in a cache? In Germany people think this kind of stuff is at least amusing. Dunno what's wrong with matches and condoms ... I live here and can't understand most of what goes on. Sufice it to say it's a different world than what you are used to. But we muddle through some how. Quote Link to comment
+mrmnjewel Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 We just found some Chiclets (chewing gum) still in the cellophane wrapper in an ammo can cache near the North Shore on Oahu. My wife took one and popped it in her mouth only to discover that it had molded due to the humidity. We threw them all away. Yuck! Do you also taste the white powder that spills out of your envelopes? Sorry...couldn't resist... Quote Link to comment
+programmer64 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Often find waterproof matches in caches, not so great for some 12 year old with a fire fetish! Also have found knives,multi-tools,get out of hell free cards, and lots of trash. When I say trash I mean like empty cola cans etc. of course those cachers never log that stuff! Quote Link to comment
IronMaiden Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Ironman114 and I went to a cache last weekend. In it was a bunch of damp papers, whcih we CITO. But at the bottom of the container was a unused tampon!! Quote Link to comment
+DavidMac Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 I was at a cache recently and someone had left their own cache TP and all right next to the site.Very gross... Very Gross... Blech ! How about this one? It was pretty bad. Brian I ran across the same thing here. Typical former nice area turned teen hangout. Quote Link to comment
Mr. Big Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Last fall, we went searching for a micro (Capitola View) with a group of 8th-grade girls. Found it, let a first-timer open it, and out popped an (unused) condom. "EEEEEEWWW!!!!!!" Posted the find, and got a quick note from the cache owner who agreed that it was inappropriate and chastized the placer. If I find something dangerous/offensive, I remove and dispose of it. No need to trade something useful/fun/worthwhile for junk, either. Quote Link to comment
Kc8JHS Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Honestly here, I have to ask a question. How many of us carry a leatherman with us while caching? How many of us consider it to be a valuable tool? Quite a few I would say from recent threads about what to take with you. I know I started carrying mine after only a few caches. So here's my real question. What kind of child is going to be able to hike all the way to a cache unsupervised that isn't old enough to handle a knife or multitool? I understand reasons not to leave alcohol or tobaco or condoms in there...these bring up akward questions. What questions are going to be raised by a young child caching with an elder, about a multitool that are too uncomfortable? "Why is there a knife in there?" It's a tool that a good portion of cachers carry? I'm just curious here...I've taken several days to think about this, let me know what you all think. Thanks! -Kc8JHS Quote Link to comment
btouch Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Honestly here, I have to ask a question. How many of us carry a leatherman with us while caching? How many of us consider it to be a valuable tool? Quite a few I would say from recent threads about what to take with you. I know I started carrying mine after only a few caches. So here's my real question. What kind of child is going to be able to hike all the way to a cache unsupervised that isn't old enough to handle a knife or multitool? I understand reasons not to leave alcohol or tobaco or condoms in there...these bring up akward questions. What questions are going to be raised by a young child caching with an elder, about a multitool that are too uncomfortable? "Why is there a knife in there?" It's a tool that a good portion of cachers carry? I'm just curious here...I've taken several days to think about this, let me know what you all think. Thanks! -Kc8JHS I agree! I cache with my five-year-old. Usually, I let him be the one to open the cache container and fortunately we haven't come across anything that concerned me so far. Now, as long as he is not old enough to buy a $100+ GPSr and drive himself to the cache... I'll be with him and will not let him take/trade for anything I deem harmful. When he does get to be old enough to save up enough money and buy a GPSr and get himself to the location of a hidden cache (even if by bicycle) I'm guessing he'll be at least 10 to 12 years of age. By that time he will already own a knife (because I will have bought him one and taught him how to properly handle it) and will most certainly have been exposed (by other adolescents) to many other things that aren't supposed to be in caches. I certainly pray, that I am a good enough parent that by that time we will have discussed most of these types of things that exist in our world. With that said, I still agree that porn, alcohol, tobacco (even though I am regrettably a smoker, I couldn't imagine smoking a cigarette left in cache ), or firearms do not belong in a cache. Quote Link to comment
+clearpath Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 "Why is there a knife in there?" It's a tool that a good portion of cachers carry? I'm just curious here...I've taken several days to think about this, let me know what you all think. Thanks! -Kc8JHS I see nothing wrong with multi-tools or even pocket knives being used as trade items in caches. However, this horse has been dead a long time and it continues to get beaten (like a rented mule). The following is taken from the Geocaching.com FAQ section ... What shouldn't be in a cache? Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, ammo, knives, drugs, and alcohol shouldn't be placed in a cache. Respect the local laws. All ages of people hide and seek caches, so use some thought before placing an item into a cache. So, knives, as you can see, are not acceptable. Now, the next question is ... is a multi-tool considered a knife??? Quote Link to comment
Kc8JHS Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I see nothing wrong with multi-tools or even pocket knives being used as trade items in caches. However, this horse has been dead a long time and it continues to get beaten (like a rented mule). The following is taken from the Geocaching.com FAQ section ... I'm just curious, why these rules are taken to mean that an issue is set in stone forever more? Is there another rule I missed that said they can't change? Contrary to popular belief, most national governments do not have such a rule or law. So, knives, as you can see, are not acceptable. Now, the next question is ... is a multi-tool considered a knife??? I'm not one to play semantics...are you saying that steak knives, butter knives, and pocket knives are okay? Quote Link to comment
dead_white_man Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 I have found numerous small pocket knives and multi-tools in caches. some I have taken with the intention of leaving them in other caches as trade items. However that was before I read the guidelines for appropriate items. Now I am reluctant to leave them even though I consider them to be quite safe, appropriate, and highly desireable to most boys I have ever known ( I raised 2 sons and have been a royal ranger commander for 22 years) Quote Link to comment
WH Posted January 26, 2004 Share Posted January 26, 2004 So, knives, as you can see, are not acceptable. Now, the next question is ... is a multi-tool considered a knife??? Most multi-tools ive seen have a knife blade included. I cant speak for others, but as for me, I spend as much time outdoors as possible when im not working. I love hiking, fishing, camping etc. Given the nature of geocaching, I would assume that alot of the people who participate in this pastime also enjoy similar activities and trade items that are assosciated with those activities are wonderful. Things such as multi tools, pocket knives, fishing hooks, water-proof matches, and so on are some of my most favorite items that I have found Quote Link to comment
+Confucius' Cat Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 In the words of a famous person of a (slightly) bygone era, "Define sex". The pocket knife rule is not about what is or is not a knife. It is about danger to the person finding the cache, especially if the finder is careless (I'm being kind- I really mean to say stupid) With this in mind, I would really not like to find fishhooks in a cache. The argument is pretty lame, though, if the sharp edges are properly protected, for example with a clearly marked box. This being said, there is really no reason to fear a pocket knife, provided it isn't left opened in the cache. It is the beauty of a pocket knife that it can be closed and is then safe to carry, perhaps in a pocket Pocket knives are an essential tool to an outdoorsman, and that is what geocachers are. Pocket knives are very appropriate for caches, but like hot coffee and fingenail clippers (at the airport) they are much to be feared and great lawsuit fodder. That's the real problem; not sharp knives but "sharp" lawyers. Quote Link to comment
Team Rag-a-Das Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Okay, this thread has taken a turn to a subject that I can't resist jumping up on the stump for. I agree with the general guidelines for 'inappropriate items' in caches in urban areas or areas that are easily accessable to the very young cachers. But where the cache is going to be a 'drive n' hike' there is (in my opinion) no reason not to leave items such as multi purpose tools, knives or waterproof matches. These are TOOLS that I'd like to find in a cache, and anyone old enough to hike to a remote cache is probably old enough to learn how to use the tools properly. I've been a Scout leader ever since my 16 year old son was a Tiger, and some of the first things we taught the Cubs were the proper use of knives and fire. At first the kids are very intrigued with the idea of being allowed to use these items, but through training and constant use, it becomes commonplace. Training, not avoidance, is the key. Quote Link to comment
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 (edited) Stupid computer...deleted a whole mess of things! Edited January 31, 2004 by Sparky-Watts Quote Link to comment
+Sparky-Watts Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 With this in mind, I would really not like to find fishhooks in a cache. Ok, here's what I had tried to say before I messed it all up in the previous post: There is a new cache around here placed during the Holidays that is called "Fisherman's Cache" or something like it (had the URL, but don't wanna go back and get it). It was full of nothing but fishing lures with really really sharp hooks all over them! I snagged my finger on one reaching for the log book. They were all new, sealed in ziploc baggies, but most of the hooks had punched through the plastic already. I felt like dumping the whole thing in the lake! However, who am I to complain, because I started carrying a pocket knife at the age of 6, about the same time I started fishing on my own with really really sharp hooks. I've still got all my digits and both eyes, so I guess I did ok........ Quote Link to comment
+geoguyver Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 The idea of leaving porn in cache... how interesting. Errr, I mean AWFUL! That would really make geocaching not very family friendly. Quote Link to comment
+Bufford Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Don't flame me too hard because I'm not advocating leaving matches and lighters as trade items but..... As I understand it the logic is a person old enough, mature enough and responsible enough to possess and use a GPSr, unsupervised obviously, can't be trusted with a book of matches? If they're caching in a non-urban environment, where wildfires are a concern, shouldn't they have matches with them as part of the basic equipment you carry when out caching to begin with? Quote Link to comment
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