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it's kind of like suicide to make a statement: you get to make the statement, but then you don't get to make any more.

 

i've noticed a number of threads in which somebody hears about a rule or a comment or a cache they don't like and make a post that they were going to quit over it despite the fact that they love the activity.

 

which makes me ask: who exactly is going to be inconvenienced? i was mad at someone once, and stopped watering my houseplants by way of reaction. it wasn't all that effective a protest.

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

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Originally posted by Renegade Knight:

Um...

 

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Depends if you follow through, and what position you were in at the time.

 

I've seen cachers leave because they were offended, usually by some common-sense guideline like "no food in caches."

 

Them leaving does no harm whatsoever, and the game could probably do very well without them.

 

But recently, I've also seen all the UK admins leave within hours of one another, because of the attitude of some local cachers towards them, and the work that they had done to promote caching over here.

 

Them leaving was probably a uniquely perfect form of protest, because right now the cachers that caused them to leave will all too readily realise what damage they have caused.

 

The only problem is that the game is also irrepairably damaged for everyone else too. Not that I blame them, though. The vitriol they received was beyond what the admins should go through.

 

Today the UK has lost three good moderating teams in such a scenario, and we are all very much about to feel the repurcussions. So, yes, leaving the game (or at least, your admin-ship) can be a remarkable form of protest.

 

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IMHO, quitting is seldom the best solution in many instances. If you don't agree with some action that has taken place, it is far more logical to continue to participate and try to make your best case and implement your change.

 

If you quit because you don't agree with some new rule or someone else's opinion, then in actuality, who is controlling your life? Certainly not you, rather it's the person who caused you to quit.

 

In regard to things that transpire here online in our happy (sometimes not so happy) geo-community, log off for a few days or weeks if you need to. Friends & family are what count; the rest is just distraction. None of this will matter in 20 years

 

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Flask, I take exception to your post and because of it I'm through with geocaching. Thanks for ruining what was my favorite pasttime for me. I'm pulling all of my caches and will never seek one again (but I will continue to post here just to piss everyone off).

 

"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues" -Abraham Lincoln

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Originally posted by BrianSnat:

Flask, I take exception to your post and because of it I'm through with geocaching. Thanks for ruining what was my favorite pasttime for me. I'm pulling all of my caches and will never seek one again (but I will continue to post here just to **** everyone off).

 

_"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues"_ -Abraham Lincoln


 

You're pulling them huh? Hey could you dump all of them in one SPOT and send me the coordinates? Getting credit for logging 47 different caches at once would really boost my cache count. Thanks. ;D

 

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nah, he's a real guy. every on once in a while it gets to him and he makes a snitty post. you can just tell when he's had enough for the day.

 

kind of makes me glad to see he's a regular guy.

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

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Originally posted by Kouros:

Depends if you follow through, and what position you were in at the time.

 

I've seen cachers leave because they were offended, usually by some common-sense guideline like "no food in caches."

 

Them leaving does no harm whatsoever, and the game could probably do very well without them.

 

But recently, I've also seen all the UK admins leave within hours of one another, because of the attitude of some local cachers towards them, and the work that they had done to promote caching over here.


Now you know full well that none of the threads that resulted in the Admins quitting was aimed at them as Admins or Moderators. The attitude was aimed at The association and nothing else.

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Them leaving was probably a uniquely perfect form of protest, because right now the cachers that caused them to leave will all too readily realise what damage they have caused.


Nope. Absoloutly no damage done. Caching goes on as it has to this point. Things will carry on and people will find ways around any temporary set backs.

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The only problem is that the game is also irrepairably damaged for everyone else too. Not that I blame them, though. The vitriol they received was beyond what the admins should go through.


Nobody has given any vitriol to the admins in the latest set to.

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Today the UK has lost three good moderating teams in such a scenario, and we are all very much about to feel the repurcussions. So, yes, leaving the game (or at least, your admin-ship) can be a remarkable form of protest.


I reckon the average cacher will not even notice. Most cachers don't use the forums, most caches get placed and approved because most caches follow the guidelines. Any that don't will rightly be refused.

 

If you look back through the forums you will find that whenever a debate gets heated the moderators in the UK forum threaten to resign. If people want the job of moderator or admin they should be prepared to moderate the forum whatever. If those same people put themselves in a position of wearing two hats they should look to how they got themselves into that position.

 

If you must report to the world do it in an unbiased way and keep to the facts.

 

Lastly, If moderators and admins resign in protest to teach us a lesson then I have no respect for that at all.

 

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the thing i've learned is that when somebody quits, someone else comes along and takes their place. quitting almost never inconveniences the people whom you want to inconvenience.

 

my supervisor does not care if i quit my job in a snit over principle (as i am tempted to do from time to time). he would just hire someone cheaper and less opinionated. the only people who would suffer are the ones who value my work, and they aren't the ones i want to punish.

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

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An old Warrant Officer I worked with once said to us If you put your hand in a bucket of water and pull it out again, the hole that remains is a measure of how indispensable you really are..

I'm going to use that as my signature I think.

 

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Originally posted by flask:

"...it's kind of like suicide to make a statement: you get to make the statement, but then you don't get to make any more.

 

i've noticed a number of threads in which somebody hears about a rule or a comment or a cache they don't like and make a post that they were going to quit over it despite the fact that they love the activity.

 

which makes me ask: who exactly is going to be inconvenienced? i was mad at someone once, and stopped watering my houseplants by way of reaction. it wasn't all that effective a protest..."


I get soooooo depressed when I read through an entire post without coming across a single use of the 'Shift' key (aside from punctuation). Am I the only one who takes comfort in seeing a proud and noble capital letter expectedly heralding the start of every sentence? Oh, woe is me ...GeoCaching.com just isn't worth participating with any longer. Rather than reach for another Prozac tablet, perhaps I should just log off one last time and ride into the sunset with my unplugged keyboard tucked beneath my arm. Surely my absence will be felt by those who continue to bravely peck out their posts in this wasteland of mis-typed compositions and, in my memory, never again will capital letters be omitted from a sentence.

 

Goodbye cruel forum... Aaagghhhhh... <thump!>

 

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It depends on what you mean by quit. I had quit posting on the forums for some time as the forums have become uniquely unpleasant. I didn't quit geocaching. I would quit if there were reasons to quit the activity or this website. I would quit the forums again if given a reason. It isn't a protest, its simply trying to live my life as serenely as possible. I don't do this hobby for a source of stress or anger. I do it for a source of recreation. When it ceases to be a source of recreation, I will quit.

 

Let's see, I have my fire-retardant keyboard and monitor, therefore I am ready to read the flames, I mean messages in the forum.

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Originally posted by Cache Canucks:

 

I get soooooo depressed when I read through an entire post without coming across a single use of the 'Shift' key (aside from punctuation). Am I the only one who takes comfort in seeing a proud and noble capital letter expectedly heralding the start of every sentence? Oh, woe is me ...GeoCaching.com just isn't worth participating with any longer. Rather than reach for another Prozac tablet, perhaps I should just log off one last time and ride into the sunset with my unplugged keyboard tucked beneath my arm. Surely my absence will be felt by those who continue to bravely peck out their posts in this wasteland of mis-typed compositions and, in my memory, never again will capital letters be omitted from a sentence.

 

Goodbye cruel forum... Aaagghhhhh... <thump!>

 

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let it be known that in my real life i use only capitals. i have therefore used my allottment when i come to my online activities.

 

rest assured, though that i do know the proper use of capitals and use them in official business correspondence only. local memos ger all caps as a matter of course.

 

go ahead, call me weird. you wouldn't be the first to do so.

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

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I think if you are going to quit, just quit, I certainly don't give a crap, so why tell me.

 

If you think you are hurting anyone but yourself by making a big announcement about you quitting, that's just sad, and childish, and for me, would be the main reason I'd be happy to see you go.

 

If you lose interest, or are fed up, that's to bad, but eventually you may get over whatever made you quit and will join in again. Why make coming back harder than it should be?

 

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quote:
Originally posted by flask:

 

which makes me ask: who exactly is going to be inconvenienced? i was mad at someone once, and stopped watering my houseplants by way of reaction. it wasn't all that effective a protest.


 

To answer seriously (I know, I know.. Serious? Here?), I think it depends greatly on how respected the person and their opinion is. Most of the time I've seen it brought up here, the general response has been 'So?', but I can imagine a situation where one of the 'famous' geocachers decides to quit over major changes in how geocaching.com treats the sport. In that case I suspect folks would be a bit more respectful of the action, and it could lead to a schism.

 

Will it actually ever come to that? I doubt it, but you never know...

 

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gecaching.com is more responsive to participants of the sport than, say NORBA or the USCF. never once have i seen those PTB poll the riders about proposed changes.

 

those guys actually tell us we WANT our licenses to be more expensive. don't seem right to me...

 

it doesn't matter if you get to camp at one or at six. dinner is still at six.

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"Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.'' Sir Winston Churchill

 

Quitting is giving in, isn't it?

 

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