Single Lab counted as 5

[+Ankatuu]

I've got a 5-stage Lab counted as 5 finds in the Geocaching app. Should it be like that?

[RuideAlmeida]

6 minutes ago, Ankatuu said:

I've got a 5-stage Lab counted as 5 finds in the Geocaching app. Should it be like that?

 

Yes.

[+NanCycle]

32 minutes ago, Ankatuu said:

I've got a 5-stage Lab counted as 5 finds in the Geocaching app. Should it be like that?

There have been lots of discussions as to whether it should. but it is.

[+Max and 99]

1 hour ago, Ankatuu said:

I've got a 5-stage Lab counted as 5 finds in the Geocaching app. Should it be like that?

It's been like that since forever!

[+Viajero Perdido]

There's a lesson there about inflation.

 

If our esteemed hosts come up with a newer-new game, what if each successful click is deemed worth 25 finds?

[+Ankatuu]

On 8/18/2024 at 6:29 PM, NanCycle said:

There have been lots of discussions as to whether it should. but it is.

Nonsense rule

[+thebruce0]

Just call'em smilies. I stopped calling it the "find count" a while back.

IMO, the Geocache Find Count, literally speaking, should be reserved for physical container finds. But that's just me.

[+HHL]

12 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:

IMO, the Geocache Find Count, literally speaking, should be reserved for physical container finds.

What about Virtuals, Webcams, Challenges, Events, Citos?

Please have in mind that the 5 LabCaches are NOT stages of a Multi cache, but 5 caches of an AdventureLab. Think them as a GeoTour with associated geocaches. Those geocaches do count as individual points as well.

Edited August 20 by HHL

[+thebruce0]

3 minutes ago, HHL said:

15 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:

IMO, the Geocache Find Count, literally speaking, should be reserved for physical container finds.

What about Virtuals, Webcams, Challenges, Events, Citos?

I know. That's why I said "Geocache find count", literally speaking.

 

3 minutes ago, HHL said:

Please have in mind that the 5 LabCaches are NOT stages of a Multi cache, but 5 caches of an AdventureLab. Think them as a GeoTour with associated geocaches. Those geocaches do count as individual points as well.

I know. This has already been discussed ad nauseum.

 

Lab Caches were individual things. Then they wrapped them in a group (Adventure Labs) to consider the group a thing, yet each thing in the thing gives a smiley.

GeoTours contain explicitly separate individual geocache listings*. AL locations are neither here nor there:  they are now both stages of an AL thing and individual passcode-entry questions that may or may not require finding anything, let alone being anywhere near where the location implies.

The only similarity is a basic parallel - an AL/GeoTour is classified as a grouping of Locations/Geocache Listings*, and entering a code/signing a log/completing requirements awards the user a smiley. That's all. Obviously that same similarity doesn't apply to a single Multicache listing.

 

GeoTours are groupings of geocache listings you're intended** to find and sign (not sure there are non-physical geotour cache listings but if there are, they still require the task completion in order to qualify to log it as found online). ALs are grouping of location-locked questions you're intended to be nearby to answer correctly.

 

* geocache listings is intentional wording. Geocaches literally are containers. 'Geocache listings' are now GC-defined things that included non-physical types which still require, intend** a specific location-based task to log as 'found' (Earthcaches, Virtuals, Webcams)

** intended - the crafted experience beyond the minimal requirements to claim complete, except enforcing it is technically an ALR outside the bounds of the type allowance. We're intended to find each stage of a multi. We're intended to solve the puzzle. We're intended to climb the tree and sign. But those can all be logged 'found' if the log has your name signed in it. In non-physical types you don't "find" physical containers in the same way as physical geocache listings (of course I'm aware the task can involve finding something);  they are location-based tasks that you must do (both intended and required) in order to claim the 'find', and the CO is given the ability to make that judgment call.  So physical cache listings and non-physical cache listings are fundamentally different; they're just both listed on geocaching.com as listings.

 

Thus, I stand by "Geocache find count" literally and understandably to refer to physical container find count.  Arguably, referring to the qualification of posting smiley-based logs to any geocache listing (including webcam photo taken, or "Found It" on non-physical listings).  But I decided recently that to be better understood in the 'spirit of geocaching', I'd be referring to anything other than those former one or two definitions as 'smileys' - Because I don't want to see the spirit of the 'geocaching find' getting lost in a cloud of passcode entries

But that's just me...

 

"How many geocaches have you found?" Is one of the most popular questions from muggles. And today it's much harder to honestly answer.  I'd love the answer to get back to being relevant and accurate.

 

"I've found almost 18900 geocaches, but have almost 21000 smileys." (That's a 91% rate - that would be a statistic I'd love to see on our profiles! Physical geocaches types to non-physical smileys)

[+Mausebiber]

39 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:

How many geocaches have you found?" Is one of the most popular questions from muggles.

 

Maybe in your world. 

In the last 18 years, I haven't been asked once from a muggle, and I'm not aware, that any of my geocaching friends would have been asked.

As a matter of facts, here, muggles asking what we are doing, if we have lost anything, or if they can help us find our way.

[+thebruce0]

1) "one of the most"

2) not just in the context of while actively geocaching. Someone asks "What's geocaching?" "<answer>" "That's cool, how many have you found?" I find it hard to believe that's not a very very common question. Nonetheless, yes it's an anecdotal point I'm making.

[+Sottiwotti]

You can always delete the stages. When I complete a 5-stage Lab cache, I just delete 4 stages from my find count

[+thebruce0]

Yes that's well known (per forum threads). Not really the point I'm making tho. If I log every stage, I already really don't mind having the smileys; that's the only reward for logging them. If I didn't want 5 smileys, I wouldn't do 5 stages just to hide that I ever did them. So it's not about the ability to hide the reward for completing them. I'm not against ALs in concept (I don't know many people who are) and I'm not anti-AL as I will do them in some cases. But you can still be more pro-geocaching than AL in the context of geocaching

[+thebruce0]

5 hours ago, thebruce0 said:

"I've found almost 18900 geocaches, but have almost 21000 smileys." (That's a 91% rate - that would be a statistic I'd love to see on our profiles! Physical geocaches types to non-physical smileys)

Gotta love it - c/o Hugh, here's a checker to give that stat

https://project-gc.com/Challenges/91196

 

I'm at 91.01% physical geocaches. Or 95.64% including non-physical cache types. (that's 4.36% ALs)

Maybe it should include % completed AL count vs all AL location smileys as a % of all smileys... or a 'fixed' count reducing all locations in completed ALs to 1 smiley. 

 

ETA: Reportedly PGC doesn't receive any information about the parent Adventure, only bare minimal info about completed locations.

Edited August 20 by thebruce0

[+barefootjeff]

4 hours ago, thebruce0 said:

If I log every stage, I already really don't mind having the smileys; that's the only reward for logging them. If I didn't want 5 smileys, I wouldn't do 5 stages just to hide that I ever did them.

 

I don't do ALs for the smiley reward, I do them for the experience, going somewhere new, discovering something I didn't know about, or even just as an excuse to get out of the house. I "delete" all my AL finds because they were skewing my find smiley count too much, but they're not hidden as I can still see them all when I go to the labs website or in the app, and nobody else can see what ALs I've done whether I "delete" them or not, they just don't show up in my geocaching stats and are essentially a separate activity for me.

[+Paulo Si]

Im new with Labcaches but i didnt understand why one labcache could count has 5.

I think if the lab has 5 stages, it could give like 5 "points" or 5 "adventure points" in adventure lab app, but should only count has 1 lab in geocaching app.

[+HHL]

50 minutes ago, Paulo Si said:

I think if the lab has 5 stages, it could give like 5 "points" or 5 "adventure points" in adventure lab app, but should only count has 1 lab in geocaching app.

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