+element14 Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 I saw a reference to a proposed European GPS system called Gallileo - does anyone know anything about it (eg when will it be operational, will it work with my Etrex?) Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 You can read about it on WIRED's web site Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 It's an ESA project. It has not been shelved so much as deferred. I think there's a subtle difference Anyway, development is continuing in spite of the ESA members not being able to agree about anything. The official site is: http://www.esa.int/export/esaSA/navigation.html ------- jeremyp We're going to need a bigger boat! Quote Link to comment
+jeremyp Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 It's an ESA project. It has not been shelved so much as deferred. I think there's a subtle difference Anyway, development is continuing in spite of the ESA members not being able to agree about anything. The official site is: http://www.esa.int/export/esaSA/navigation.html ------- jeremyp We're going to need a bigger boat! Quote Link to comment
+wizard1974uk Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Sorry to bring this back up, but might as well now that Gallileo is now going to be a reality. So would the european system make any difference to us geocachers? I don't know that much about the GPS system so I ask this as a complete novice. Quote Link to comment
+tteggod trackers Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 didn't realise the forum had been going that long!!! do you read old copies of yellow pages too? my understanding is its a totally different system but will be more accurate. i'm here to be proved wrong i guess Quote Link to comment
+Learned Gerbil Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 My understanding is that the system will be 100% compatable with the GPS system so increased numbers of satalites means better accuracy. Quote Link to comment
+The Forester Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 My understanding is that the system will be 100% compatible with the GPS system so increased numbers of satellites means better accuracy. It does mean that, but more importantly, it will mean that we will also have better accuracy in more obscure places which presently shade out many of the satellites which are above the local horizon but are blocked by obstructions such as terrain, trees and buildings. Quote Link to comment
+Learned Gerbil Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 That was my point. Quote Link to comment
+Bill D (wwh) Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 tteggod trackers wrote:didn't realise the forum had been going that long!!! I'm not sure exactly when these forums started, but they go back to at least October 2000. Quote Link to comment
+wizard1974uk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Another article, the second satellite sounds good, can pinpoint your position to within a centimetre http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4792792.stm Quote Link to comment
+sTeamTraen Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Another article, the second satellite sounds good, can pinpoint your position to within a centimetre I think you'll have to subscribe to a premium service for that. And for existing GPSr devices, it could be that the precision of the device will limit the overall performance (cf the improved results people are getting with the new generation chips in the Garmin 60csx). Galileo has been called "the common agricultural policy of the skies", and I certainly wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it. Is EGNOS "fully" live yet? Even if it is, how many years did it overrun - for two satellites? Quote Link to comment
+wizard1974uk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) Well its happening so you can stop holding your breath. Edited March 12, 2006 by wizard1974uk Quote Link to comment
+wildlifewriter Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Galileo has been called "the common agricultural policy of the skies", and I certainly wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it. Is EGNOS "fully" live yet? Even if it is, how many years did it overrun - for two satellites? Coming up on three years behind schedule now, massively over budget and still not working properly. Still, the EGNOS experience gives us a good way of forecasting how GALILEO will go... Implementation date: 2010 Budget: Eur 3,250,000,000 So that'll be.... Implementation: 2013 (but probably even later.) Cost: Eur 7,500,000,000 (and counting.) -Wlw Quote Link to comment
+The Forester Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Another article, the second satellite sounds good, can pinpoint your position to within a centimetre I think you'll have to subscribe to a premium service for that. And for existing GPSr devices, it could be that the precision of the device will limit the overall performance (cf the improved results people are getting with the new generation chips in the Garmin 60csx). Most Garmin users can already achieve accuracies of better than 5 cm (a couple of inches) if you can log data directly to a laptop or a PDA. The post-processing is not simple, but it can be done with the carrier phase and pseudorange data which "undocumented" capabilities of the 12 channel Garmins allow. With 10 minutes of logged data you should be able to refine a fix to better than 10cm and with 30 minutes worth of data you should be able to get that down to better than 5cm. The Rinex data is freely available from the OS at the GPS.gov.uk website. Quite why you would want single centimetre accuracy is another matter! Quote Link to comment
+Woody's Wanderers Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Another article, the second satellite sounds good, can pinpoint your position to within a centimetre I think you'll have to subscribe to a premium service for that. And for existing GPSr devices, it could be that the precision of the device will limit the overall performance (cf the improved results people are getting with the new generation chips in the Garmin 60csx). Quite why you would want single centimetre accuracy is another matter! Surveying? Um, that's probably about it! Quote Link to comment
+purple_pineapple Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Quite why you would want single centimetre accuracy is another matter! Just think how small we could make our caches with 1 cm accuracy! Microdot anyone? Quote Link to comment
alistair_uk Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Just think how small we could make our caches with 1 cm accuracy! Microdot anyone?NO! Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 BBC News article today.... not looking good for Galileo (the European GPS system) unless there is more funding and some decisions made! Quote Link to comment
+wizard1974uk Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 I don't think funding is the problem here, no one person wants to put their head on the block and actually say they're in charge. Doesn't surprise me really, great projects are always ruined by the people brought in to bring them to reality. Some one in the consortium needs to grow a set of balls and step up to the plate and not be frightened to make the important decisions. Quote Link to comment
+Graculus Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 It's getting closer....... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11630032 Chris Graculus Volunteer UK Reviewer for geocaching.com UK Geocaching Information & Resources website www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk Geocaching.com Knowledge Books Quote Link to comment
+goldpot Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Galileo has been called "the common agricultural policy of the skies", and I certainly wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it. Is EGNOS "fully" live yet? Even if it is, how many years did it overrun - for two satellites? Coming up on three years behind schedule now, massively over budget and still not working properly. Still, the EGNOS experience gives us a good way of forecasting how GALILEO will go... Implementation date: 2010 Budget: Eur 3,250,000,000 So that'll be.... Implementation: 2013 (but probably even later.) Cost: Eur 7,500,000,000 (and counting.) -Wlw Just think how many ammo cans could had been bought for us instead! Quote Link to comment
+goldpot Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I don't think funding is the problem here, no one person wants to put their head on the block and actually say they're in charge. Doesn't surprise me really, great projects are always ruined by the people brought in to bring them to reality. Some one in the consortium needs to grow a set of balls and step up to the plate and not be frightened to make the important decisions. I say, put the Italians in charge. Quote Link to comment
+currykev Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 I don't think funding is the problem here, no one person wants to put their head on the block and actually say they're in charge. Doesn't surprise me really, great projects are always ruined by the people brought in to bring them to reality. Some one in the consortium needs to grow a set of balls and step up to the plate and not be frightened to make the important decisions. I say, put the Italians in charge. Yep, they've done wonders for English footy too. On a plus note, if the Brits had been in charge, we'd be 25b in debt. Quote Link to comment
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