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On 9/19/2021 at 11:11 AM, fi67 said:

I just finished correcting the missing regions in all categories where I have direct edit rights. I didn't count, but I estimate the list is about 400 entries smaller when you do the next adjustment. So, only about 15% of the complete list, but better than nothing.


20 hours ago, Ariberna said:

I corrected too.


Thank you. Next correction run (which is effectivly a new full import) would probably be starting at the next weekend (September 25th).


FYI: Updates of the last new waymarks in all available categories are done on a daily run - which is skipped if I'm not at home. The run itself takes between 15 and 30 minutes and is usually done during my lunch time (Central Europe).

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On 7/29/2021 at 6:34 PM, FamilieFrohne said:

You may also try your own username (i.e. https://wm.familie-frohne.net/list_user.php?name=Becktracker).

What do you think about it? Right direction or completely off the path?

THANK YOU Becktracker for asking and FamilieFrohne for creating the first-in-a-region tool! I'm late to the thread and so glad to have found it.


Like you all, "firsts" has been a fun curiosity that adds dimension to my playing the game. I'd been manually tracking mine in a very rudimentary document, but only for my state and, now quite apparently, not recently; I'd managed to record 63...and then was pleasantly very surprised to discover I'm at 93! Plus, I really appreciate the bonus of knowing ALL the regions/categories in which I have first entries -- 111 total as of today. I had no idea.


Much fun!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

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1 hour ago, ScroogieII said:

And now, What's Wrong With This Picture?

Beat me - but I didn't get it. Just can guess that you are disappointed for not finding the first entries in "Newfoundland" and "Nova Scotia".


But you still have the opportunity to find entries for "Alberta",  "Manitoba",  "Northwest Territories", "Nunavut", "Ontario", "Québec", "Saskatchewan" and "Yukon Territory" :).

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Sorry to hear that. But that is not a fault caused by my program:


The import program looks at the category pages (i.e. https://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=9740b2e1-7d12-400e-94ba-a8c4cd28fc1f&st=2 for the mentioned category)    and retrieves the informations for the title, the waymark idcode, the category, the owner, the location and the approval date. Only if the location is one with known provinces (like Canada, Sweden, Germany, ...) and the provice is missing, the program retrieves the waymark page to look up the coordinate. After that the location information to that coordinate is checked and the program tries to guess the right province based on the second level administrative unit. In case of England and Ireland this is not trivial, since Groundspeak "divided" provinces (i.e. Wales was split into North Wales and South Wales), but also Belgium, Brazil and Czechia need manual attention. There were around 18000 waymarks I had to check this way - result can be seen in the list of open regions (https://wm.familie-frohne.net/open_regionwm.php).


For coordinate lookup and getting the administrative units a service api from google is used - and google has a quota for the usage. When the quota is exceeded you have to pay for the services (I did the checking of the 18000 WMs on a end-of-month and start-of-next-month to have enough quota left). The results of the mapping were stored in the database to prevent another lookup on the next import run.


Another thing to consider: Getting any page from Waymarking takes around a second. Just checking the latest changes on the categories takes at least 1124 calls to the first category pages, sometimes a few more are needed (i.e. when more than 25 new entries since the last run date were added) - so a simple update takes about 20 minutes. A full update (looking through all the category pages) and comparing it with the stored entries takes at least half a day. So going through all of the waymarks would take my program currently at least a million seconds (roughly 12 days) just to get them all once - and then you have to check on the coordinates and save the results in a separate table.


So thinking on the changes needed, the costs involved to get it right and the time the program takes to run I will not change the program to check for each waymark if the coordinate matches the selected province - sorry.

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I see.

In any event, I suspect that most , if not all of the errors will be found to be "user error".

For example in the Fort Nashwaak - Fredericton, NB Waymark I had inadvertently selected British Columbia for the province instead of New Brunswick.

It's a common error for me as BC is where I live.

In the Captain Lewis in the Missoula Valley III - Missoula, Montana Waymark, it was the same error, this time both the wrong country, Canada, and the wrong state/province - BC for Montana. Again not caught by either myself of the reviewer.

For 1929 Chrysler - Western Development Museum - North Battleford, SK, the same deal - BC selected instead of Saskatchewan.

Walters Blacksmith Shop - Lunenburg, NS - same deal - selected New Brunswick instead of Nova Scotia.

Seal Island West Highway Webcam - New Harris, NS the same - selected New Brunswick instead of Nova Scotia.

Fort Needham Memorial Park - Halifax, NS - selected Northwest Territories instead of Nova Scotia. Don't know how I managed that one!!

United Baptist Church - Mahone Bay, NS - did it again - selected Northwest Territories instead of Nova Scotia.

Mountain Trail School - Beaverlodge, Alberta - Substituted Saskatchewan for Alberta

Pack River Fish - Ponderay County, ID - this one was actually OK - I had entered MT in the title in place of ID, but the state selected was correct.

Big Horn LDS Stake Office and Tithing Building - 535 - Substituted Montana for Wyoming. This one was a bit harder to catch as the category required that one not include the state or province in the title. When I saw it in the Montana list I immediately thought that I had done Mormon sites in Wyoming, but none in Montana, so I looked at it and, sure enough - the town was Cowley, which I know to be in Wyoming.

Engineer dies in runaway train near Trail - Trail, BC - selected Montana, US instead of BC, Canada


That's all I could find - each and every one MY FAULT (with a little help from inattentive reviewers, of course).


Given 11 "user errors" in 993 firsts, that's a pretty high error rate. If we were to extrapolate that error rate to our entire universe of Waymarks it would indicate that, subtracting the 11 in this subset, there are likely 293 more erroneously located Waymarks of ours out there somewhere. Yikes!!


This also gives your program a clean bill of health, with regard to my Waymarks, at least. Again, Kudos!! :) 



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