Rules, Promotions religious tracks

[+BlueDeuce]

I always trade what I think it's worth.

 

Bingo.

[GOF and Bacall]

I always trade what I think it's worth.

 

Bingo.

 

Dang! All I needed was G47.

[+Manville Possum]

I always trade what I think it's worth.

 

Bingo.

 

Dang! All I needed was G47.

 

When B52 was called out at the local VFW, half of the players took cover under the table. I do find money in geocaches, and I keep it. The most I ever found was one of those "Where's George" trackable dollars. I placed it in the donation box for the Ronald McD house. Coffee was free that week anyway.

[+oxford comma]

my daughter ( almost 5 y/o ) actually loves the golf balls. my husband is the co owner of a new/used sporting goods store and they give .10 apiece for used golf balls. she gets SO excited that she gets to "sell" them to him.

Edited March 24, 2013 by oxford comma

[+oxford comma]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

Edited March 24, 2013 by oxford comma

[+Manville Possum]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

[GOF and Bacall]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

 

Actually, anything up to and including 1981 will give good results. That is when they went from 95% copper to 97% zinc.

[+xipotec]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

But the same can be said for caches.....

 

I plan on cleaning our my caches of questionable material....

[+Manville Possum]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

But the same can be said for caches.....

As well as GPS units are illegal in some Countries, but Waymarking has a cateagory for penny smashers.

http://www.Waymarking.com/cat/details.aspx?f=1&guid=1eb565b4-98cc-4492-8653-90488e4d87b7&wst=9&kw=penny%20smashers&st=2

[+NYPaddleCacher]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

Most countries don't have pennies. I smashed a penny while in San Francisco today...a souvenir for my son.

[+ByronForestPreserve]

I found an entire CD-ROM of preaching on anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-everything today. Removed as trash and disposed of it. If it had simply been a positive religious message, I wouldn't have been offended and would have ignored it.

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

The law for the United States is that it's illegal to destroy U.S. currency. The penny smasher issue did, in fact, come to trial, because of this. The final verdict was that penny smashers are not illegal, but penny smashing is. Hence, all of the motorized penny smashers had to be removed, because the company that made them would be guilty of smashing pennies. The current line of smashers has a crank, so you are the one doing the illegal act, and the company cannot be held liable. The feds aren't going to be able to catch and prosecute every citizen who smashes a penny, so that's how the business gets away with it. Every time you smash a penny, you are breaking the law, here in the U.S.

Edited March 25, 2013 by nonaeroterraqueous

[+Spunkie92]

she likes finding pennies in caches too...

We love the pennie smasher machines, and collect smashed pennies. The old wheat pennies work best, they are copper and not zinc like the new ones. They do make good trade items.

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

Most countries don't have pennies. I smashed a penny while in San Francisco today...a souvenir for my son.

 

My 23 yr old sister is obsessed with penny squishing, thus the reason we are going back to Disneyland this summer. We calculated it out, shes spent over 400 bucks on pennies (50 cents to squish + the penny) Needless to say she will be squishing pennies, and I'll be finding the Earth Cache in Frontieerland.

[+bflentje]

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

The law for the United States is that it's illegal to destroy U.S. currency. The penny smasher issue did, in fact, come to trial, because of this. The final verdict was that penny smashers are not illegal, but penny smashing is. Hence, all of the motorized penny smashers had to be removed, because the company that made them would be guilty of smashing pennies. The current line of smashers has a crank, so you are the one doing the illegal act, and the company cannot be held liable. The feds aren't going to be able to catch and prosecute every citizen who smashes a penny, so that's how the business gets away with it. Every time you smash a penny, you are breaking the law, here in the U.S.

 

Kind of interesting that I see penny smashing machines at some national monuments. I believe there's one at Mount Rushmore.

[+larryc43230]

Kind of interesting that I see penny smashing machines at some national monuments. I believe there's one at Mount Rushmore.

I'm fairly sure there's also one at the visitor's center at the Gettysburg National Military Park.

 

--Larry

[+CanadianRockies]

The law for the United States is that it's illegal to destroy U.S. currency.

According to Wikipedia, penny smashing is legal in the United States because "the mutilated coins are not used fraudulently, i.e., with the intention of creating counterfeit coinage or profiting from the base metal..."

[+GeoTrekker26]

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

The law for the United States is that it's illegal to destroy U.S. currency. The penny smasher issue did, in fact, come to trial, because of this. The final verdict was that penny smashers are not illegal, but penny smashing is. Hence, all of the motorized penny smashers had to be removed, because the company that made them would be guilty of smashing pennies. The current line of smashers has a crank, so you are the one doing the illegal act, and the company cannot be held liable. The feds aren't going to be able to catch and prosecute every citizen who smashes a penny, so that's how the business gets away with it. Every time you smash a penny, you are breaking the law, here in the U.S.

 

Way off topic:

This sounds like an urban legend. There is no Federal law against destroying US coins. U.S. CODE TITLE 18

CHAPTER 17, SECTION 331 discusses fraudulently altering coins. Since there is no intent to make a penny look like a dollar bill, the machines are legal. They are hand operated for simple economics of construction and placement.

 

I'm not at all sure how a geocaching thread got to this point, it's not spelled geocashing!

Edited March 25, 2013 by GeoTrekker26

[+fuzziebear3]

What about caches placed in or near places of worship? They may have been placed to highlight their historic or architectural significance, but often include some description of the faith that goes there. Is there enough of a distinction between a cache that says "The people who come here believe in Jesus" versus "You, the cacher, should believe in Jesus" etc as an example?

 

To put this a little bit back on topic ...

 

Yes, there is exactly that difference.

The first statement is educational about a place, and is allowed.

The second statement asks or tells the reader to do something, and is an agenda, and is not allowed.

[+StarBrand]

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Kind of interesting that I see penny smashing machines at some national monuments. I believe there's one at Mount Rushmore.

Yes there is, My kids use it every time we visit.

[+xipotec]

Hard to believe but pennies smasher are illegal in some countries.....Incredible they are in so many places.

 

The law for the United States is that it's illegal to destroy U.S. currency. The penny smasher issue did, in fact, come to trial, because of this. The final verdict was that penny smashers are not illegal, but penny smashing is. Hence, all of the motorized penny smashers had to be removed, because the company that made them would be guilty of smashing pennies. The current line of smashers has a crank, so you are the one doing the illegal act, and the company cannot be held liable. The feds aren't going to be able to catch and prosecute every citizen who smashes a penny, so that's how the business gets away with it. Every time you smash a penny, you are breaking the law, here in the U.S.

 

Way off topic:

This sounds like an urban legend. There is no Federal law against destroying US coins. U.S. CODE TITLE 18

CHAPTER 17, SECTION 331 discusses fraudulently altering coins. Since there is no intent to make a penny look like a dollar bill, the machines are legal. They are hand operated for simple economics of construction and placement.

 

I'm not at all sure how a geocaching thread got to this point, it's not spelled geocashing!

ROTFL....

 

Coin smushing is illegal in some countries....not pennies, i dont think any other country gives a darn what we do to our amalgum metal pennies.

And its not illegal here so long as the defacement is for a keepsake

and not fraud , as stated above.

[+The Leprechauns]

I found an entire CD-ROM of preaching on anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-everything today. Removed as trash and disposed of it. If it had simply been a positive religious message, I wouldn't have been offended and would have ignored it.

I would have traded for that. In fact, religious materials are probably the ONLY items I'd trade for.

 

I'm not aware of a "rule" or "ethic" in geocaching that allows finders to dispose of any item they find offensive. Sure, if there are 100 moldy, wet chick tracts in a cache, keeping the cover from closing securely, they can be trashed out due to the damage and the interference with the cache's function. But one or two tracts, CD's, etc. - those I would trade for. Please leave them there.

 

If any item that subjectively offends a geocacher can be disposed of as trash, I'll be taking every keychain, coaster, pen or other item that promotes a brand of beer or liquor, or a tavern or pub that serves alcoholic beverages. They offend me.

Edited March 26, 2013 by The Leprechauns

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Way off topic:

This sounds like an urban legend....

 

Apparently, you're right. Thanks for the correction. Someone had told me that he knew this for a fact, and I didn't Google it to check, beforehand. I hate being a link in the rumor chain.

 

If any item that subjectively offends a geocacher can be disposed of as trash, I'll be taking every keychain, coaster, pen or other item that promotes a brand of beer or liquor, or a tavern or pub that serves alcoholic beverages. They offend me.

 

Well, let's look at it this way: are we to assume that someone should take a trade item and leave a pamphlet in its place? The cynical side of me suspects it, but I like to assume that whoever left it probably took nothing in exchange, no? Then, if you take the pamphlet, the fair trade item in return should be similar to what was taken when the pamphlet was left in the cache (nothing).

 

The second aspect to it is this: there are two ways to speak your mind. The positive way is to leave materials stating your ideas. Its equal opposite is to remove materials stating the opposing view. If the first is acceptable, then the second is equally acceptable.

[+wmpastor]

No, you can move out any item you wish provided you trade even or up. You might decide that it's worth nothing especially if it's political or religious.

 

This whole. I think it's garbage doesn't really impress me.

 

What, so for every gum wrapper, rock, or porn DVD I remove from a cache, I should put something in? Garbage is garbage.

 

I was speaking of trashing things out in the context of this thread not necessarily the things you list - however, even if it was a rock, I would leave better then I found before rehiding the cache. Just me maybe.

 

A larger rock?

 

Or golf balls...

You mean a larger golf ball?

 

Wouldn't that be considered a baseball now?

Dunno. How about you open a forum topic to find out?!

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Just for fun:

 

CITO is a social agenda...but they aren't banned...they get a unique icon ;-)

[+The Jester]

Just for fun:

 

CITO is a social agenda...but they aren't banned...they get a unique icon ;-)

Any agenda can be proposed to Groundspeak, and with the right persaussion, be allowed (eg. APE cache, Jeep TB's, etc). CITO is their own "agenda" so they've given it their blessing.

[+3doxies]

Found money the other day on one...which I thought odd too.

 

Did it have "In God we trust" written on it?

 

Puritan literature...

[+ByronForestPreserve]

I found an entire CD-ROM of preaching on anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-everything today. Removed as trash and disposed of it. If it had simply been a positive religious message, I wouldn't have been offended and would have ignored it.

I would have traded for that. In fact, religious materials are probably the ONLY items I'd trade for.

 

I'm not aware of a "rule" or "ethic" in geocaching that allows finders to dispose of any item they find offensive. Sure, if there are 100 moldy, wet chick tracts in a cache, keeping the cover from closing securely, they can be trashed out due to the damage and the interference with the cache's function. But one or two tracts, CD's, etc. - those I would trade for. Please leave them there.

 

If any item that subjectively offends a geocacher can be disposed of as trash, I'll be taking every keychain, coaster, pen or other item that promotes a brand of beer or liquor, or a tavern or pub that serves alcoholic beverages. They offend me.

Like I said, I have nothing against religious messages, but anything that promotes hate is a different matter (the wording on the cover was not nice or uplifting in any way). I put in swag (kid's toys) and that was the only thing I took out...and I'd have no problem with you doing the same with things you find offensive.

[+The Jester]

I found an entire CD-ROM of preaching on anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion, anti-everything today. Removed as trash and disposed of it. If it had simply been a positive religious message, I wouldn't have been offended and would have ignored it.

I would have traded for that. In fact, religious materials are probably the ONLY items I'd trade for.

 

I'm not aware of a "rule" or "ethic" in geocaching that allows finders to dispose of any item they find offensive. Sure, if there are 100 moldy, wet chick tracts in a cache, keeping the cover from closing securely, they can be trashed out due to the damage and the interference with the cache's function. But one or two tracts, CD's, etc. - those I would trade for. Please leave them there.

 

If any item that subjectively offends a geocacher can be disposed of as trash, I'll be taking every keychain, coaster, pen or other item that promotes a brand of beer or liquor, or a tavern or pub that serves alcoholic beverages. They offend me.

Like I said, I have nothing against religious messages, but anything that promotes hate is a different matter (the wording on the cover was not nice or uplifting in any way). I put in swag (kid's toys) and that was the only thing I took out...and I'd have no problem with you doing the same with things you find offensive.

Ahh! Trading for it is different from what you first said - "Removed and trashed" sounds like you just took it. Trading for it is fine, what you do with something you traded out of a cache later is your business.

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

My 23 yr old sister is obsessed with penny squishing, thus the reason we are going back to Disneyland this summer. We calculated it out, shes spent over 400 bucks on pennies (50 cents to squish + the penny) Needless to say she will be squishing pennies, and I'll be finding the Earth Cache in Frontieerland.

Leave it to Disney to charge for penny squishing. Probably seen a dozen or so different ones (mostly railroad stations/museums) and they were all FREEEEEEEEEE!

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Just for fun:

 

CITO is a social agenda...but they aren't banned...they get a unique icon ;-)

Any agenda can be proposed to Groundspeak, and with the right persaussion, be allowed (eg. APE cache, Jeep TB's, etc). CITO is their own "agenda" so they've given it their blessing.

I know, wash just being a little togue 'n cheek about it. I forgot the the smiley face.

[+ByronForestPreserve]

Ahh! Trading for it is different from what you first said - "Removed and trashed" sounds like you just took it. Trading for it is fine, what you do with something you traded out of a cache later is your business.

I always leave swag but don't remove anything except litter (and trackables), with a few exceptions. In my mind that was the case, but yep, technically a swap.