+Chasing Blue Sky Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 In the Danish Benchmark peer review discussion, Silverquill made the following statement, "We are sometimes just too quick with our criticism, and too slow to offer help and encourage. I think we need to improve our instructions for new category creation, because there are obviously some gaps." I figured I'd give you and other experienced Category Managers a chance to do just that. That statement reminded me of something that I've been wondering for the last little while. There is a new category proposal that's been rolling around in my head, but I haven't quite fleshed it out yet. When I get closer, I will bring it to this discussion board. One of the issues I haven't quite figured out, and my my real question at this point is: How are category icons created? What program is used, and who creates them? As a simple observer of new categories being created, these icons just show up, but clearly someone has to create them. Many of you have been through the process of creating an approved category. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment
+fi67 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 There is nothing you have to do regarding the icons, and there's nothing you can do, even if you would like to. The icons are assigned by Groundspeak. This is done in batches. In the mean time, before new icons are created, they automatically get the icon of the next higher level in the department/category structure they are located in. Quote Link to comment
+Tharandter Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) But 'Public Playgrounds' and 'Hydroelectric Power Stations' has the same icon and they are not in the same "Main category". Edited January 17, 2013 by Tharandter Quote Link to comment
+fi67 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 But 'Public Playgrounds' and 'Hydroelectric Power Stations' has the same icon and they are not in the same "Main category". 'Hydroelectric Power Stations' are a new category, it shows the icon of the 'Structures' department. 'Public Playgrounds' is an old category; this icon was assigned long ago. It is very similar to the other one and if I remember correctly 'Structures' used to have the exact same one before. I was only explaining the procedure and I did not say that the icons need to be unique. There are many examples of different categories (even in different departments) that have the exact same icon: like Bloggers / Wi-Fi Hotspots or Bookcrossing Zones / Wikipedia Entries / Literary Sites / Guestbooks. There are a few others. Quote Link to comment
+NW_history_buff Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I chuckled when I saw this thread because I recently visited Groundspeak HQ in Seattle, WA and spoke with the two lead creators/administrators of Waymarking and I asked them the same question. Nate, one of the administrators told me that the icons were once created by a talented graphic artist who worked for Groundspeak for a number of years before leaving to go onto bigger and better things. I believe Nate told me that she was also behind the development of 'Signal' (the frog), the mascot for Groundspeak. Currently, the icon production is left up to other designers to tackle within the department and Nate was honest in his conversation with me that the Waymarking entity as a whole piggybacks onto the popularity and revenue of Geocaching. As most waymarkers know, the Waymarking.com community is very small compared to the Geocaching.com community and all activity and administration of it is only made possible through trickle-down funding from Geocaching.com's revenue. Waymarking would not and could not survive without the Geocaching entity and as a result, some of the development and administration of Waymarking gets pushed back into backlogs of the 'to-do list'. I, personally, am enamored by the great potential that Waymarking can become for people young and old in appreciating all the history, places-of-interest, and endless waymark locations that exist worldwide. I asked Brian, the other Waymarking administrator about creating a mobile app for Waymarking for a smartphone and he replied that although the idea is a good one, it will not happen at Groundspeak anytime soon. Quote Link to comment
+Chasing Blue Sky Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Nate, one of the administrators told me that the icons were once created by a talented graphic artist who worked for Groundspeak for a number of years before leaving to go onto bigger and better things. I believe Nate told me that she was also behind the development of 'Signal' (the frog), the mascot for Groundspeak. Currently, the icon production is left up to other designers to tackle within the department and Nate was honest in his conversation with me that the Waymarking entity as a whole piggybacks onto the popularity and revenue of Geocaching. Thanks Beav, That really explains a lot. I've been impressed by the creativity of a great number of them - even the ones that only change slightly, like the historical marker categories. Some are even a bit hokey - but they do fit the category they represent. Viewing the icons, it certainly makes sense that the "talented graphic artist" who once created them is gone. It is some of the newer ones that I've found to be less than creative - some that signify absolutely nothing about the category. So, I'm glad to hear that it isn't a creation of the category founders. I've kind of been reluctant to ask the question because I didn't want to offend someone who created a cool new category and then copied someone else's icon, appearing to be an afterthought in the process. I do understand the whole budget issue and the prioritized focus on geocaching. I certainly have more people find my geocaches than I have people visit my waymarks. But that is a whole separate topic. Well, at least I know that I don't have to worry about coming up with my own icon, IF I ever submit a category. Quote Link to comment
+silverquill Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I chuckled when I saw this thread because I recently visited Groundspeak HQ in Seattle, WA and spoke with the two lead creators/administrators of Waymarking and I asked them the same question. . I, personally, am enamored by the great potential that Waymarking can become for people young and old in appreciating all the history, places-of-interest, and endless waymark locations that exist worldwide. I asked Brian, the other Waymarking administrator about creating a mobile app for Waymarking for a smartphone and he replied that although the idea is a good one, it will not happen at Groundspeak anytime soon. Glad you got to meet these guys. There are very impressive and tremendously enthusiastic about Waymarking.com and have devoted a lot of time to it. We owe them a lot. I was aware that the person who had done these was gone, and the new ones are a different style, smaller and less colorful. We had a discussion about this some time ago. As mentioned, these get done in batches so there is a lag. In the meantime, the generic icon for the "department" gets used. I'm sure that if there were a "talented graphic artist" in our ranks, a volunteer wouldn't be refused! Volunteerism has always been a mainstay of Groundspeak. Actually, Waymarking is ALL volunteer, from those who create and manage categories to those who create them. Or is someone out there getting paid? The full potential of Waymarking has yet to be realized. Although I think there may be ways to improve our ties with Geocaching, I think the real future lies outside of the geocaching world. It will probably be up to us to find ways to promote Waymarking in other venues. But that is another discussion. Quote Link to comment
+kallehaugerne Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Just read your little discussion about icons and I learned a lot. But what can you do if you want to make a suggestion to a new and more suitable icon for a category? I'm thinking of the Way of St. James category. I'm big fan of this category and I really think it is a pitty with the tent icon. A much better icon would be something with the shell or the yellow arrow which are official icons/symbols of The Way. Any ideas about how to get on with this? Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=309525 Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Now we are three months older but the new icons are still missing. Is there no talented volunteer in our ranks? I wish I could create good graphics. Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 But there would still be the problem to add them, only Groundspeak can do that. I wrote Bryan today let's see what he'll answer. Quote Link to comment
+pstidsen Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I would love to do some icons for this if needed/wanted Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I would love to do some icons for this if needed/wanted I will talk with Bryan next week about this. Thanks for offering your help. Quote Link to comment
Biquidou Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 FYI 20130212, we sent a proposal of icon for our category "French Benchmarks", gif file 40x40 pixels 20130301: Hello Biquidou, Thank you for your patience. We have updated the icon for the French Benchmarks Waymarking category. Happy Waymarking, Nicole Community Support, Groundspeak Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Pstidsen, I talked with Bryan, he would like to see one example. Could you do one? It should be gif and should have the size like the other icons. I'm looking forward to see one Thanks, lumbricus Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 FYI 20130212, we sent a proposal of icon for our category "French Benchmarks", gif file 40x40 pixels 20130301: Hello Biquidou, Thank you for your patience. We have updated the icon for the French Benchmarks Waymarking category. Happy Waymarking, Nicole Community Support, Groundspeak After your post I was very happy and tried to send a proposal for a new category icon for the 'Way of St. James' to Grounndspeak. This was the responce: Thank you for your interest in Waymarking and for your offer to use these icons. Unfortunately, it has been necessary to shift previously dedicated resources from Waymarking to Geocaching in order to support the rapid community growth of Geocaching.com in the past couple of years. This means that we do not currently have the resources to make changes to Waymarking, even to implement your icons. Sorry that we can't be of more help at this time. Best Regards, Jon ("Moun10Bike") This makes me really sad! I had hoped that we would have found a possible way. Quote Link to comment
Biquidou Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm really sad too with this answer Mainly for categories with "Generic icon" like for an Insect Hotel Perhaps opening the enrollment will help (cf http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=316241&pid=5307533&st=0entry5307533)... Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'll talk with Bryan today. Adding an icon (selfmade, Groundspeak has no effort with it) couldn't be a big problem. But perhaps we have to collect them first. Adding single ones could take too much time, not sure if there has to be an update for that, etc. Please post the icon here, Tante.Hossi. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 OK icon(s) will be posted here later. Thanks Lumbricus! Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Can't wait to see the icons! Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Here are two icons that I have created to be used as category icons. Way of St. James Fish Ladders I don't know how much work this will be for GS to change these icons. Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 And here's another one. New Apostolic Churches Quote Link to comment
+fi67 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 As far as I can see, Cairns was the last category with a specific icon. There are currently 42 categories (including Fish Ladders) that came later. So there's a lot to do. Quote Link to comment
+Waywizard Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I will be posting new user created icons to categories. Please just post them to this thread and they will get uploaded to the category. If I see an issue with the posted icon I will let you know. Note: Way of James and New Apostolic Church have been updated. Fish Ladders will be when it is released. A hidden admin, Waywizard Quote Link to comment
+Max and 99 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I will be posting new user created icons to categories. Please just post them to this thread and they will get uploaded to the category. If I see an issue with the posted icon I will let you know. Note: Way of James and New Apostolic Church have been updated. Fish Ladders will be when it is released. A hidden admin, Waywizard Wow, that is great news! Quote Link to comment
razalas Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Here are two icons that I have created to be used as category icons. Way of St. James Fish Ladders I don't know how much work this will be for GS to change these icons. Thanks for the new icon for the Way of St. James, looks much better now I have worked on creating some icons to help: Grand Opening Human Migration Monuments Património Português (Portuguese Heritage) Spanish Heritage I hope they are ok Thank you for setting the new icons I apologize for my bad english! Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Great news! And great new icons! Btw a hidden admin ????? Mysterious and curious! Quote Link to comment
+Waywizard Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) Here are two icons that I have created to be used as category icons. Way of St. James Fish Ladders I don't know how much work this will be for GS to change these icons. Thanks for the new icon for the Way of St. James, looks much better now I have worked on creating some icons to help: Grand Opening Human Migration Monuments Património Português (Portuguese Heritage) Spanish Heritage I hope they are ok Thank you for setting the new icons I apologize for my bad english! These look great but need to be gif files. If you can convert them to gif, I will update them. Also make sure they are 40 x 40 pixels. Edited October 17, 2013 by Waywizard Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Some more icons Church of the Christ Scientist Deutsche Denkmallisten - German Monument Registers Kiwanis International Soroptimist International I hope this icons are Ok to everybody! Quote Link to comment
+Waywizard Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Some more icons Church of the Christ Scientist Deutsche Denkmallisten - German Monument Registers Kiwanis International Soroptimist International I hope this icons are Ok to everybody! These have been uploaded. Quote Link to comment
razalas Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Sorry, here they are in gif and 40 x 40 pixels: Grand Opening Human Migration Monuments Património Português (Portuguese Heritage) Spanish Heritage Thank you. Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Another icon Numismatic Photographes Quote Link to comment
razalas Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Another contribution Political Revolutions Thank you. Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Which category is is this made for? Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Which category is is this made for? Secret! Quote Link to comment
+Rikitan Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 (edited) To Razalas: It's nice proposal, but didn't you loose quality during conversion to .gif and size reduction? There is strange 'pixelation' around drawing ... Shouldn't it look rather like this? Edited October 17, 2013 by Rikitan Quote Link to comment
+Rikitan Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Or let's compare: version with redundant pixels and without: Quote Link to comment
razalas Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 To Razalas: It's nice proposal, but didn't you loose quality during conversion to .gif and size reduction? There is strange 'pixelation' around drawing ... Shouldn't it look rather like this? Or let's compare: version with redundant pixels and without: Yes, the original was in .PNG and during conversion to .gif lost quality and gain that pixelation. It's better now thank you. Quote Link to comment
+puczmeloun Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Wow, new icons Great to see... I were so surprised with fish ladders icon, that i've almost felt down from chair... Quote Link to comment
+Waywizard Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 After having a travel day yesterday, I was able to get all the new icons uploaded today. Keep them coming. Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Once again - a new category icon suggestion. Insect Hotels Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Once again - a new category icon suggestion. Insect Hotels Nice! Could you add a bee in a upper corner? Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Once again - a new category icon suggestion. Insect Hotels Nice! Could you add a bee in a upper corner? Didn't you see the bee??It's small Quote Link to comment
+lumbricus Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Serious: Can you add on? Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Is this one better including a bee? It's very difficult in such a small size! Insect Hotels Quote Link to comment
+Tante.Hossi Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 And another one. Only a proposal - I don't know if it's good for everybody. Auction Houses Quote Link to comment
+Chasing Blue Sky Posted October 22, 2013 Author Share Posted October 22, 2013 And another one. Only a proposal - I don't know if it's good for everybody. Auction Houses I like it, except I would replace the nail hammer with a wooden gavel. Quote Link to comment
+fi67 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Now I remember why I do not work in the graphic field At least I tried. Tripoint and Multipoints: Preserved Machines on Public Display: Austrian and Swiss National Heritage Sites: Current and Former Exchanges: Quote Link to comment
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