Logged as needs maintenance Q

[+Rich1010]

We found our first multi-cache today but unfortunately someone had scattered the contents all around the floor and had stolen the log book.

 

Anyhow, we put everything back as to where we thought it should have been and logged our find as "Needs maintenance"

 

Are we supposed to make a second found log or will our original "needs maintenance" log be set as a found once it's been sorted ?

 

thanks

[+Bosn Ski]

Needs Maintenance will NOT count as a find. You will need to log a "Found it" as well.

[+StarBrand]

If your absolutely certain yound the remains of the cache - you will need to log a separate 'find' log from the NM log.

 

However, without the logbook - it is hard to be certain that the remains you found were really the cache (unless the remains of the container were well marked)

[+Rich1010]

If your absolutely certain yound the remains of the cache - you will need to log a separate 'find' log from the NM log.

 

However, without the logbook - it is hard to be certain that the remains you found were really the cache (unless the remains of the container were well marked)

 

We were 100% certain that the can and items are/were from the cache, but yes I can imagine that there has been cases where "reported as needs maintenance" has just turned out to be some muggle litter etc..

 

I created a second found to the geocache,

 

thank you for the replies.

[+Coldgears]

If your absolutely certain yound the remains of the cache - you will need to log a separate 'find' log from the NM log.

 

However, without the logbook - it is hard to be certain that the remains you found were really the cache (unless the remains of the container were well marked)

Why do you do this to new members? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a lock and lock or ammo box in the middle of the woods with plenty of useless trinkets inside is anything BUT a geocache. It's not like the log book means anything anyway, that's not the only proof of it being a geocahe... There's been hundreds of times when the log book was full... I just didn't sign my name, I found it didn't I? It's a "Found it" button not a "log it".

 

I'm glad you helped him though!

[+Panther&Pine]

If your absolutely certain yound the remains of the cache - you will need to log a separate 'find' log from the NM log.

 

However, without the logbook - it is hard to be certain that the remains you found were really the cache (unless the remains of the container were well marked)

Why do you do this to new members? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a lock and lock or ammo box in the middle of the woods with plenty of useless trinkets inside is anything BUT a geocache. It's not like the log book means anything anyway, that's not the only proof of it being a geocahe... There's been hundreds of times when the log book was full... I just didn't sign my name, I found it didn't I? It's a "Found it" button not a "log it".

 

I'm glad you helped him though!

 

I don't think this is a new member/ old member issue. I don't think time caching of number of finds to be a designator of skill level.

I'd been caching for a few months and found what was a 'dead' cache but I still asked about it before logging it as NM. I would have loved to have had some one reasure me that it was possible it wasn't the cache, or that it was the cache.

 

*Totally staying away from the logging issue/the newbie issue/ and even away from the container discussion.

[+StarBrand]

If your absolutely certain yound the remains of the cache - you will need to log a separate 'find' log from the NM log.

 

However, without the logbook - it is hard to be certain that the remains you found were really the cache (unless the remains of the container were well marked)

Why do you do this to new members? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that a lock and lock or ammo box in the middle of the woods with plenty of useless trinkets inside is anything BUT a geocache. It's not like the log book means anything anyway, that's not the only proof of it being a geocahe... There's been hundreds of times when the log book was full... I just didn't sign my name, I found it didn't I? It's a "Found it" button not a "log it".

 

I'm glad you helped him though!

I don't know - if I a find a broken plastic box and scattered trinkets - it might be or might not be the cache I was seeking. Unless I see Geocache on something or a logbook with sigs - I tend NOt believe I have found the intended cache container. Never assume.

[+niraD]

More than once I've found the signs of a muggled cache (e.g., a broken container, trinkets on the ground, an empty "hiding spot"), only to have the owner confirm that his cache is in place and what I found was something else.

[+Rich1010]

Just to clarify here, yes it was a green steel container with geocache written on the side, the lid was open and the contents of the box was scattered around the GZ site and yet we were unable to find a log book.

 

My question was to ask how should we be logging the find, which has already been answered above.

 

thank you again.

Edited June 3, 2010 by Rich1010

[+simpjkee]

Without a logbook, how did you sign it to claim a find?

[+d+n.s]

Without a logbook, how did you sign it to claim a find?

I imagine he did it online and informed the CO of the problem via NM log. If the CO decides that he didn't "find" the cache because he didn't sign a physical log they can address it themselves, but I can't think of a reason for the rest of us to have an opinion about this. Its not our propert afterall and this is just a listing site right?

Unless, I don't understand the question...

Edited June 4, 2010 by d+n.shults

[+J the Goat]

Where's that emoticon that bangs himself agains a wall?

[+Crow-T-Robot]

Without a logbook, how did you sign it to claim a find?

I imagine he did it online and informed the CO of the problem via NM log. If the CO decides that he didn't "find" the cache because he didn't sign a physical log they can address it themselves, but I can't think of a reason for the rest of us to have an opinion about this. Its not our propert afterall and this is just a listing site right?

Unless, I don't understand the question...

 

I personally have no issue with someone who doesn't care about signing logbooks. Some cachers just enjoy finding the container and don't care one iota about looking at whatever's inside. If they log their find online, they do run the risk of an overly anal owner deleting their find because of their hardline signed log stance.

 

I found a cache in Idaho that had me climbing up a severly sloped side of a hill to a rock outcropping that overlooked a beautiful meadow and ravine below. When I got to the "cache" all I found was a pile of trinkets. No container, no logbook. I claimed the find. I didn't feel a sense of entitlement or that I had gone through a difficult climb and therefore, I should get the smiley. No, I felt that I had experienced the cache the way the owner wanted me to. Not putting my name on a sheet of paper wasn't going to change that. The smiley was his reward more than mine, so I logged the NM as well as a find and to this day, I feel good about it...even if this is considered by "puritan" cachers to be one of the worst caching sins imaginable.

[seagullplayer]

I too just found out that when you post a "Needs Maintenance" report you don't get credit for the find. Today I posted a found it report.

 

I think this is a bug in the system, I think you should get credit for the find when you post the Needs Maintenance report, or at least have an option that allows you to check that you found it or not when you file the post.

 

But that is just me, now that I know, I will know what to do...

[+Rich1010]

Without a logbook, how did you sign it to claim a find?

 

I simply left my name and date (log) on a piece of paper and put it into the ammo tin with the items that were scattered around it.

 

I feel I have done everything correctly here, so please correct me if I didn't for future reference ??

 

thank you

[+The Blorenges]

Without a logbook, how did you sign it to claim a find?

 

I simply left my name and date (log) on a piece of paper and put it into the ammo tin with the items that were scattered around it.

 

I feel I have done everything correctly here, so please correct me if I didn't for future reference ??

 

thank you

 

That's fine . Cachers often leave their log on a spare piece of paper in the cache if the log is too full to write on, or soaked.

 

 

There's a logical reason why you don't automatically get a Find credit when you log a NM on a cache: Many cachers re-visit caches to drop/retrieve trackable items or sometimes they just re-visit a cache and check on it if they happen to be passing. In such cases, if the cache needs attention and they want to leave a NM log for the owner they wouldn't want to also record another Find on the cache.

 

MrsB

[+StarBrand]

I too just found out that when you post a "Needs Maintenance" report you don't get credit for the find. Today I posted a found it report.

 

I think this is a bug in the system, I think you should get credit for the find when you post the Needs Maintenance report, or at least have an option that allows you to check that you found it or not when you file the post.

 

But that is just me, now that I know, I will know what to do...

Nope - not a bug.

 

By design - in that you can make return visits to the cache. You log just one 'find' but you could note that it needs maintenance multiple times.

[+StarBrand]

Just to clarify here, yes it was a green steel container with geocache written on the side, the lid was open and the contents of the box was scattered around the GZ site and yet we were unable to find a log book.

 

My question was to ask how should we be logging the find, which has already been answered above.

 

thank you again.

 

Sorry - we believe you - the thread got kind of hijacked into the discussion of how much you need to find to claim a find.

[+briansnat]

More than once I've found the signs of a muggled cache (e.g., a broken container, trinkets on the ground, an empty "hiding spot"), only to have the owner confirm that his cache is in place and what I found was something else.

 

I had a cache in a small, white plastic container hidden in a tree stump. A cacher logged a DNF and sent me an e-mail with a photo of an empty, small white plastic container laying on the ground next to a tree stump.

 

Looked to me like the cache had been plundered. So I went there to replace it and found my cache safely in its hiding place. About 30 feet away was a nearly identical empty white plastic container next to nearly identical stump.