+AngelWolf93 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 In germany wie have an idiom : "blind actionism" Nothing else happened here. Some "rules" given by cacheowner have been useful. I'm planning a cache since 3 months. There I wanted a prove, that cacher won't drive through the forest. I wanted to get a track and pictures per email that prove that they were walking or riding bicicles. Can you help me to protect the forest? Without the possibility of a special rule? Thank you - really thank you *growl*.. I think the cache has died now. I have now no new idea to ensure, that the car will be parked somewhere. If the area you're thinking of putting a cache is so sensitive that it can't handle people going there to cache, why are you putting a cache there in the first place? That already violates the guidelines. If you will redefine geocaching, then I ask you: why still exist climbing-caches or diving or "use a rubber raft",... caches? Finding a cache means to me: take a walk through a forest, park or city and try to find an ammobox or something smaller. Groundspeak has taken some cachetypes away, that you find on other platforms (eg navicache). But is "climbing" "caching"? (my answer: no - it's another type of sports - does anyone ask the trees, if they want cachers climbing up?) (...) I'm sad about the developement.... By your definition, finding a 5-gallon bucket is not geocaching, because it's bigger than an ammo box. Also, climbing is caching, because to complete a geocaching task, you have to get to the cache. Basically, Groundspeak is defining Geocaching as finding the container and signing the log. If finding the container involves boating, climbing, rapelling, mountain biking, walking, running, hiking, [insert other activity here], then that's part of the hobby. I've been dwelling on this issue because it has directly affected me. Too bad I can't seem to look at it unbiased but I'm trying. I have read the blame game on what types of people have brought it about and can only see two. The I can't clear my map crybabies and the idiot CO. Control freaks on both sides of the argument. It actually saddens me that I have wasted so much time working on a cache that because of this change and nobody is going to experience. In order to get permission to place the cache I had to create several mapped routs to it to reduce damage and require a picture of the cache and its surroundings so the land owner didn't have to check the spot in person. It also when to several off trail locations on public land so I had to make sure the LM knew that they where not sensitive. My predictions? Never mind, I already feel like I've been crapped on and don't want to deal with more because I pointed out potentials as some are want to do and I probably have to deal with in articulate fools who's only retort is "You need a proof reader." I'm confused as to why you can no longer place this cache. There don't seem to be any ALS's (or ALR's) except to stay on the trail. Again, if the area can't handle a cache because it's too sensitive, it may not be a good idea to place one there anyway. My $0.02: I will still go after and log ALS caches that I want to. I will still avoid the ones I don't want to log. I'm happy that the "?" is not as much of a catch-all catergory now. I would have prefered to see ALR's get their own catergory, because I don't always have the time to go searching, cache page by cache page through the "unknown" catergory for the puzzle caches I enjoy seeking. This changes nothing in the way I play the game, and, honestly, if you feel that this change is so horrible, stop geocaching. The only way to affect change in a company is to hit them in the pocket books. So if you don't like the change, do something. Cancel your premium memberships and stop looking for and hiding caches. Archive all your caches. Start your own competing site. Switch to a competitor. An e-mail campaign to Groundspeak might work...but then again, it might not. Try a snail-mail campaign. If this has made it so you no longer enjoy the activity, why keep doing it? I don't know about you, but when I start feeling really "crapped on" I stop doing whatever it is that is making me feel that way. It's not like you're obligated to continue geocaching. My happiness from placing a cache is the knowledge that at least some folks will really enjoy it. If I get a "TFTC SL" log on one of my caches, it's not a big deal to me. Someone at least thought it interesting enough to sign the log. So, I guess I'm mostly on the side of being in favor of this change, or at least indifferent. The folks who want to will still do the ALS, and the folks that won't, won't. If knowing that someone will log your cache without doing the ALS destroys your happiness from placing said cache, then don't place the cache. The choice is yours. Quote Link to comment
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