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After reading issues people have with PMOCs I decided to do a comparison using my HC.

The conditions for each PQ besides PMOC and ATAU are Selected types:Traditional Cache, Multi-cache, Letterbox Hybrid, Unknown Cache, and Is Active.

  • 001 r
    • PMOC = 0
    • ATAU = 0

    [*]005 r

    • PMOC = 0
    • ATAU = 43

    [*]010 r

    • PMOC = 2
    • ATAU = 106

    [*]020 r

    • PMOC = 5
    • ATAU = 451

    [*]021 r

    • PMOC = 10
    • ATAY = MAX return

    [*]025 r

    • PMOC = 16

    [*]050 r

    • PMOC = 84

    [*]100 r

    • PMOC = 179

    [*]184 r

    • PMOC = MAX return

Just thought I would share and I'd like to see other results, not opinions just results.

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well, not sure what you want to see, and not the time to run all the things you do... but ok..

 

at 14mile radius (I think you are using miles? km would make more sense, but ok)

 

ATAU: 488

MOC: 2

 

at 200mile:

PMOC: 74

 

at 300mile:

PMOC: 401

 

yeah, we're relatively lucky here

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Yes I'm using miles, and using metric only makes sense if your national measurement standard is metric. Ours is still imperial.

 

I don't care - I use Imperial

 

I'm really quite proud of the fact that within 50 miles of Downtown Ottawa, there are all of two PMO caches, and literally thousands of ATAU caches :mad::o:wub::D

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Ok, I was curious how far I would have to go to max out a PQ of PMO caches

 

I was at 245.7 Miles, before I got 501 PMO caches.

 

Of those 501;

 

80 were in Ontario

95 were in Quebec (but the nearest one was almost 80 miles away)

259 were in New York

9 were in Vermont

37 were in New Hampshire

13 were in Massachusetts

8 were in Maine

 

From Ottawa, a maxed out PQ of PMO caches, has caches in MAINE! :laughing:

Edited by Taoiseach
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same type of PQs used in OP.

 

radii |  02-15-2009 |  04-25-2010 |
miles | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU |
-----------------------------------
001   | 0	| 0	| 0	| 0	|
-----------------------------------
005   | 0	| 43   | 0	| 53   |
-----------------------------------
010   | 2	| 106  | 0	| 145  |
-----------------------------------
020   | 5	| 451  | 2	| MAX  |
-----------------------------------
021   | 10   | MAX  | 2	|	  |
-----------------------------------
025   | 16   |	  | 20   |	  |
-----------------------------------
050   | 84   |	  | 196  |	  |
-----------------------------------
100   | 179  |	  | 341  |	  |
-----------------------------------
146   | NA   | NA   | MAX  |	  |
-----------------------------------
184   | MAX  |	  |	  |	  |
-----------------------------------

Now what has happened with the ATAU (Available To All Users) is exactly what I would expect to happen.

What surprised me was what has happened with the PMOCs, the diameter got smaller wile the doughnut hole got bigger.

Yes I know, that is assuming an even distribution which does not exist. But still...

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sorry, I wasn't really following the radii thing.

I did a date-ranged query for MO caches in Florida. In total there are 914 MO caches, out of 24298. 3.75%

 

250 remain from 2000 -> April 25 '-07

359 from April 26 2007 - April 25 2009 and

305 in the last year. (there are ~8400 caches active from the last year)

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I max out a PQ at 488 active caches at 6.4 mile radius. 2 of those are PMO.

 

5 mile radius -

all active 264

PMO 0

 

12 mile radius -

active 1503

PMO 10

 

20 mile

33 PMO

 

25 mile

96 PMO

 

50 mile

211 PMO

 

99 miles maxes out a PQ

494 PMO

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sorry, I wasn't really following the radii thing.

I did a date-ranged query for MO caches in Florida. In total there are 914 MO caches, out of 24298. 3.75%

 

250 remain from 2000 -> April 25 '-07

359 from April 26 2007 - April 25 2009 and

305 in the last year. (there are ~8400 caches active from the last year)

Wow,one every 72 square miles.

That got my interest.

Keep in mind that my radius search extends out of our borders. Ohio, Indiana and Canada.

So here are date results for Michigan on PMOCS

01-01-1995 to 12-31-2009 = 485

01-01-2010 up = 91

 

576 out of 16585.

3.47% or one every 170 square miles.

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3.47% in Michigan and 3.75% in Florida. interesting that the percentages are so close. I wonder if that holds true broadly? not that I'm willing to futz with the PQ previews to find out...

 

In another thread Kit Fox claimed that MOC survive better. That claim might be somewhat amenable to analysis. If the percentages of older MO caches are running higher than the overall percentages

 

Yep, it would seem to be true. In Florida, surviving caches from Jan 1 2004 to Dec 31 2004 - 942 active caches. 44 of them or 4.67% are MO. A slightly higher percentage of MO surviving then the overall MO average. Again for '05, 1513 surviving caches, with 4.16 % of them (63) being MO. Not overwhelming better survival, but there.

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I live in Junction City, Oregon (just outside of Eugene Oregon). We have a good sized amount of members who are prolific cache hiders and almost all their hides are Premium Member Only. Even with all of them... this is the results. That's still over 3000 caches that one could find and not be a premium member. I'd say that's pretty darn snazzy.

 

4290 caches within 50 mile radius of Junction City, OR

 

365 caches within 50 mile radius of Junction City, OR PM only.

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radii |  02-15-2009 |  04-25-2010 |  05-23-211  |
miles | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU |
-------------------------------------------------
001   | 0    | 0    | 0    | 0	  | 0    |1(own)|
-------------------------------------------------
005   | 0    | 43   | 0    | 53   | 0    | 65   |
-------------------------------------------------
010   | 2    | 106  | 0    | 145  | 4    | 235  |
-------------------------------------------------
020   | 5    | 451  | 2    | 500  | 22   | 931  |
-------------------------------------------------
021   | 10   | 500  | 2    |      | 28   | MAX  |
-------------------------------------------------
025   | 16   |      | 20   |      | 49   |      |
-------------------------------------------------
050   | 84   |      | 196  |      | 401  |      |
-------------------------------------------------
100   | 179  |      | 341  |      | 723  |      |
-------------------------------------------------
145   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | MAX  |      |
-------------------------------------------------
146   | NA   | NA   | 500  |      |      |      |
-------------------------------------------------
184   | 500  |      |      |      |      |      |
-------------------------------------------------

WOW that is a dramatic leap for both PMOC AND ATAU.

Even with the increase from 500 to 1000 the maximum radii for both types are on their way to getting smaller.

 

Keep in mind that there are not any border limitations on this search so not only am I extending out of state, I'm extending out of country.

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according to PQing using you active cache as a center point.

I also set the border so that no cache outside of Ireland would show up, this way I could use a ridiculous number to find a maximum cache return.

radii km| PMOC | ATAU |
-----------------------
1       | 0    | 1 your cache
-----------------------
15      | 0    | 4    |
-----------------------
20      | 0    | 11   |
-----------------------
30      | 2    | 56   |
-----------------------
50      | 3    | 121  |
-----------------------
75      | 3    | 230  |
-----------------------
100     | 6    | 425  |
-----------------------
150     | 9    | 716  |
-----------------------
198     | 30   |1k    |
-----------------------
2000    | 529  |      |
-----------------------

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radii |  02-15-2009 |  04-25-2010 |  05-23-211  |  06-30-12   |
miles | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU | PMOC | ATAU |
---------------------------------------------------------------
001   | 0    | 0    | 0    | 0	  | 0    |1(own)| 0    |1(own)|
---------------------------------------------------------------
005   | 0    | 43   | 0    | 53   | 0    | 65   | 1    | 66   |
---------------------------------------------------------------
010   | 2    | 106  | 0    | 145  | 4    | 235  | 6    | 276  |
---------------------------------------------------------------
019   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | 41   | MAX  |
---------------------------------------------------------------
020   | 5    | 451  | 2    | 500  | 22   | 931  | 49   |      |
---------------------------------------------------------------
021   | 10   | 500  | 2    |      | 28   | MAX  | 56   |
---------------------------------------------------------------
025   | 16   |      | 20   |      | 49   |      | 90   |      |
---------------------------------------------------------------
050   | 84   |      | 196  |      | 401  |      | 481  |      |
---------------------------------------------------------------
100   | 179  |      | 341  |      | 723  |      | 937  |      |
---------------------------------------------------------------
105   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   |NA    | MAX  |      |
---------------------------------------------------------------
145   | NA   | NA   | NA   | NA   | MAX  |      |
-------------------------------------------------
146   | NA   | NA   | 500  |      |
-----------------------------------
184   | 500  |      |      
---------------------

For those who don't know.

PMOC= Premium Member Only Cache

ATAU= Available To All Users

Selected types:Traditional Cache, Multi-cache, Letterbox Hybrid, Unknown Cache, and Is Active

My search radius does not stop at boarders so it extends into Ohio, Indiana and Canada.

 

For those who are interested, if I set the Michigan border then I receive max PMOC at 121 miles.

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