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For those who don't know what BODMAS is:

BO - Brackets off (work out the contents of the brackets first).

D - Division is the next highest priority

M - Multiplication is next on the list

A - Addition

S - Subraction

It's always best to write things using brackets to show in which order to do stuff because whilst (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C) it can be interpreted in the wrong way by someone who doesn't understand BODMAS.

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For those who don't know what BODMAS is:

BO - Brackets off (work out the contents of the brackets first).

D - Division is the next highest priority

M - Multiplication is next on the list

A - Addition

S - Subraction

It's always best to write things using brackets to show in which order to do stuff because whilst (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C) it can be interpreted in the wrong way by someone who doesn't understand BODMAS.

So now everyone who reads this will know the correct sequence, but...

What about those Caches that have already been set by people who didn't know BODMAS?

What about those that have yet to be set by people that haven't read this so may not know BODMAS?

What about those that have a bad day and forget their BODMAS in the excitement of finding the last number of the sequence?

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Make the maths clear, too. Not forgetting BODMAS, people have different interpretations.

(A+B/C) could mean either A+(B/C) or (A+:blink:/C.

Oh.... have some anti-bacterial gel close by.

No. (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C), and it's not at all ambiguous.

Multiplication and division takes precedence over addition and subtraction. Bodmas is right.

But unless you knew that multiplication and division takes precedence it is ambiguous....

Anything's ambiguous if you don't have the knowledge. When I were a lad, the precedence of multiplication and division was taught in my old Primary School, so surely it can be assumed that people know this?

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........... When I were a lad, the precedence of multiplication and division was taught in my old Primary School, so surely it can be assumed that people know this?

Clearly, drsolly, you went to school a very long time ago when they taught maths

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For those who don't know what BODMAS is:

BO - Brackets off (work out the contents of the brackets first).

D - Division is the next highest priority

M - Multiplication is next on the list

A - Addition

S - Subraction

It's always best to write things using brackets to show in which order to do stuff because whilst (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C) it can be interpreted in the wrong way by someone who doesn't understand BODMAS.

I always though the "O" in BODMAS stood for order as in 2^4 (2 to the power 4), for example, would follow the brackets, then would come division, etc.

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For those who don't know what BODMAS is:

BO - Brackets off (work out the contents of the brackets first).

D - Division is the next highest priority

M - Multiplication is next on the list

A - Addition

S - Subraction

It's always best to write things using brackets to show in which order to do stuff because whilst (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C) it can be interpreted in the wrong way by someone who doesn't understand BODMAS.

I always though the "O" in BODMAS stood for order as in 2^4 (2 to the power 4), for example, would follow the brackets, then would come division, etc.

It indeedy do is. e.g.

Explain the answer that a calculator would give to the calculation 4 + 70/10 x (1 + 2)²- 1 according to the BODMAS rules.

Brackets gives 4 + 70/10 x (3)² - 1

Order gives 4 + 70/10 x 9 - 1

Division gives 4 + 7 x 9 - 1

Multiplication gives 4 + 63 - 1

Addition gives 67 - 1

Subtraction gives 66

Edited to put a couple of ²'s in, instead of the 2's and thus not to appear to be a wally

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I'd never heard of BOSMAS until reading this thread, and I took A Level maths not 10 years ago. I think if people are going to make such in-depth equations they need to make it clear to everyone (including those without good mathematical knowledge) how the equation should be solved. Maybe some kind of check-sum should be included.

If there is any chance of ambiguity people should encourage cachers to contact the owner before attempting it. (Unless of course a quick check proves the 'other' solution to be unrealistic/impossible etc.

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I'd never heard of BOSMAS until reading this thread, and I took A Level maths not 10 years ago. I think if people are going to make such in-depth equations they need to make it clear to everyone (including those without good mathematical knowledge) how the equation should be solved. Maybe some kind of check-sum should be included.

If there is any chance of ambiguity people should encourage cachers to contact the owner before attempting it. (Unless of course a quick check proves the 'other' solution to be unrealistic/impossible etc.

This is a double edged problem in that old f***s like myself automatically use BODMAS whereas younger folks probably work from left to right. When I see caches using brackets, etc I usually contact the cache owner to determine which method has been used as the difference can be large. I think Bambography has a good point here in that a checksum should be included. Geochecker is also a good resource but not much use when you are in the cache vicinity and you do not have access, by any means, to it.

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I'd never heard of BOSMAS until reading this thread, and I took A Level maths not 10 years ago. I think if people are going to make such in-depth equations they need to make it clear to everyone (including those without good mathematical knowledge) how the equation should be solved. Maybe some kind of check-sum should be included.

If there is any chance of ambiguity people should encourage cachers to contact the owner before attempting it. (Unless of course a quick check proves the 'other' solution to be unrealistic/impossible etc.

Maybe it was just a Wales syllabus thing but my maths is only GCSE and I was only in second group. So highest grade I could ever achieve was a C. But we covered BODMAS.

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Explain the answer that a calculator would give to the calculation 4 + 70/10 x (1 + 2)2 - 1 according to the BODMAS rules.

Brackets gives 4 + 70/10 x (3)2 - 1

Order gives 4 + 70/10 x 9 - 1

Division gives 4 + 7 x 9 - 1

Multiplication gives 4 + 63 - 1

Addition gives 67 - 1

Subtraction gives 66

It's early (for me) and I'm probably about to make a fool of myself but where did the 9 in the Order line come from?

edit to say is (3)2 the same as 3 to the power of 2? I've never seen it written that way before if it is

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You'd have recognised it if it was written (1+2)².

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It's early (for me) and I'm probably about to make a fool of myself but where did the 9 in the Order line come from?

edit to say is (3)2 the same as 3 to the power of 2? I've never seen it written that way before if it is

It's obviously early for me too as I tried to get the 2 as a superscript and failed. That's what you get for being a smart@rse and copying something from the Interweb without thinking about it. I have a maths qualification so I'll forgive myself. Sorry, though!

Actually when I started caching, because of said maths interest, I would try to calculate coords like 54°45.(p)(q)(a) as 54°45.pxqxa as the brackets in maths mean multiply. I agree that there should be a checksum too. But it won't happen.

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We're all for a checksum, and applaude those that take the time to add it, same goes for geochecker.com link where the info can be worked out and checked before you set out.

Should there be something in the guidelines somewhere or perhaps a prompt on the page where the cache data is uploaded?

Don't mind either, horses for courses, but if we are travelling a distance for a cache it does give confidence that a find is on the cards.

H&L

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I learnt BODMAS at middle school in London at around the age of 10, so 1983. It was then reinforced at Grammar school in the Manchester area right through to A-level. I too was in the second year of GCSEs and it sure as heck featured in them.

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You'd have recognised it if it was written (1+2)².

Yep....spotted that afterwards

Superscript ain't easy on a forum

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I'd never heard of BOSMAS until reading this thread, and I took A Level maths not 10 years ago.

Blimey, you'll be telling me you don't know SOH-CAH-TOA next. (Not what you do to your feet after a long walk, as my incredibly funny and witty maths teacher used to say).

Anyway, although we didn't all have ancient maths teachers to teach us ancient maths, in this techy age users of Excel and programmers should at least have some grasp of operator precedence.

For example in Excel =4+70*(1+2)^2/10-1

Gives 66 as predicted above.

Editied so I dont look a complete fool

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Blimey, you'll be telling me you don't know SOH-CAH-TOA next. (Not what you do to your feet after a long walk, as my incredibly funny and witty maths teacher used to say).

My maths teacher taught us "Some Officers Have Carts And Horses To Order About" to remember this one - still can remember 40 years later but I do use it most days! For those to whom this means nothing:

Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse

Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse

Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent

I'm struggling now to see how this is a tip or trick but a couple of my caches require this knowledge!

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Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse

Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse

Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent

I remember this as Oranges Have Sections, Apples Have Cores and Orses 'Ave Tails

Sad isn't it in this day and age.........

H

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I'm struggling now to see how this is a tip or trick but a couple of my caches require this knowledge!

I'm sure I used it solving your "3 points" series. Not that I ever got around to visiting any of them, and I've lost the solutions now!

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I have two simple methods for solving caches with maths problems:

1. Use a calculator (though I do recall a cheap calculator I had many years ago which didn't apply BODMAS and so got the answer wrong ).

2. Get Steph to do it

There's a cache near us which we did a while ago where the owner has clearly got the answer wrong for the reasons discussed here. Fortunately it was obvious which was the correct answer. We pointed out the error to the owner and...

it's still wrong.

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You'd have recognised it if it was written (1+2)².

Yep....spotted that afterwards

Superscript ain't easy on a forum

It's certainly harder if you haven't had coffee for days...

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What worries me is that in the course of this thread the mnemonic changed from BODMAS to BOSMAS then back to BODMAS again.

Edited three times for my trademark incompetent typing.

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For those who don't know what BODMAS is:

BO - Brackets off (work out the contents of the brackets first).

D - Division is the next highest priority

M - Multiplication is next on the list

A - Addition

S - Subraction

It's always best to write things using brackets to show in which order to do stuff because whilst (A+B/C) always means A+(B/C) it can be interpreted in the wrong way by someone who doesn't understand BODMAS.

I always though the "O" in BODMAS stood for order as in 2^4 (2 to the power 4), for example, would follow the brackets, then would come division, etc.

Eldest RTB has just done this at school (year 7, just started secondary) and they have the O as Other. It therefore includes powers, trig functions etc. Confused me as I was taught it stood for Of

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Away from the math and back on topic...

My hot tip from today. I use a bluetooth GPSr with a PDA and the GPSr fits in a pouch on one of the straps on my rucksack. Cardinal sin - don't take your rucksack off and wander around with just the PDA!!! Plonker of the century or what?

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My tip.

If you have just bought a vist HCX like me. DONT (while driving out to do some caching) decide to clear your tracklogs..... click select all (because you cant be bothered to read all the options)......click delete.

for some reason this clears all the waypoints off your GPS leaving you feeling depressed and directionless. Took me ages to enter all the coords for the caches by hand on the road.

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- don't take your rucksack off and wander around with just the PDA!!!

Been there - done that - on a cash and dash in a layby, took the PPC leaving the GPSr on the dash board of the car.

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My tip.

If you have just bought a vist HCX like me. DONT (while driving out to do some caching) decide to clear your tracklogs..... click select all (because you cant be bothered to read all the options)......click delete.

for some reason this clears all the waypoints off your GPS leaving you feeling depressed and directionless. Took me ages to enter all the coords for the caches by hand on the road.

You should look into my tip about uploading the POI for all caches if the Vista HCX supports it. It would have bypassed this problem.

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Actually Read The Cache Pages and Last Few Logs to see if it is still there and if there are any special instructions before going for the hunt.

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Actually Read The Cache Pages and Last Few Logs to see if it is still there and if there are any special instructions before going for the hunt.

this is a top tip i recomend everyone should do this

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For some reason a small packet of wet wipes seem to make the day less painfull in all sorts of ways. You can get them from Boots. Don't forget some of the previous advice regarding toilet timings.

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Actually Read The Cache Pages and Last Few Logs to see if it is still there and if there are any special instructions before going for the hunt.

Good advice, not only this but warnings too - see here

Read the logs

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