Found Benchmark, But No Info On It

[+Ed & Julie]

I found a benchmark set into a large boulder on the side of a hill.

I can't seem to find any info on it.

Anyone out there know where i can find out about it?

It was found at: N39.49.395 W121.42.719

[+PFF]

Hmmm. You found an interesting one! The closest mark in the NGS database appears to be KS-1867, which was monumented six years later, in 1939.

 

A couple of notes:

 

(1) This disk appears to be in excellent condition for its age;

 

(2) The name of the station is F 42 or F42. A state-of-California name search at NGS did not produce any results that seemed applicable to the situation.

 

(3) Your Lat and Long appear to be expressed in Degrees with decimal Minutes. When writing this, I recommend a space after the degree figure. Hence, it becomes:

N39 49.395, W121 42.719. A radial search at NGS centered on these coordinates produced only two stations--one of which was KS1867, mentioned above.

 

Sorry I can't be of more assistance on this one. Great photo, by the way!

 

-Paul-

Edited February 3, 2005 by PFF

[caseyb]

It appears to be a USGS mark, not an NGS mark. I don't think all the USGS marks are in the NGS database. But it does seem to be in great condition considering its age.

 

-Casey-

[+zygote2k]

Easy answer: write to the director! Or, go to your county surveyor and ask to see benchmark datasheets for that area.

[+BilboB]

Please post what kind of response you get because I too have a similar situation from a 1933 USGS mark (with witness) I photographed this summer.

[+Team ARK-ville]

I found a benchmark today and I too am unable to find a data sheet either on geocaching.com or USGS

 

I have written an email to USGS to see if they can come up with the data sheet.

 

If I could figure out how to post a picture here I would. I tried a couple things and I get "dynamic pages in image tags not allowed."

[Wintertime]

I found a benchmark today and I too am unable to find a data sheet either on geocaching.com or USGS

If you have approximate coordinates for the mark, you could try a radial search on the NGS's database. Go to http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/datasheet.prl and click on DATASHEETS to see the search page.

 

Patty

[Z15]

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Edited February 27, 2005 by elcamino

[+Team ARK-ville]

I found a benchmark today and I too am unable to find a data sheet either on geocaching.com or USGS

 

I have written an email to USGS to see if they can come up with the data sheet.

 

I received an email reply from Cheryl Malone today and she says that it appears that the designation in the database is not consistant with the stamping on the BM. She has passed on the information and she will try to figure out what happened and let me know what she finds.

 

So, the data sheet I found that seemed to be the correct one for this BM may well be the correct one with an error in designation. The designation on the data sheet was S 130. The designation on the BM was S 310.

[Wintertime]

It looks like Badge has not come back to see the suggestions about identifying the cache, but in case anyone else is interested, I found the mark on a topo map.

 

I downloaded the Paradise West 7.5' quad (o39121g6.tif) from the California Spatial Information Library (it's on page http://casil.ucdavis.edu/casil/gis.ca.gov/...trimmed/39121/).

 

Then, using MacGPS Pro, I put a point at Badge's stated coordinates. It was right next to a BM marked "1770" on the map, which of course is the same elevation marked on the disk that Badge found. There should be some others along that same road. :-)

 

I'll try to send Badge a note about this.

 

Patty

[+Ed & Julie]

Thanks for the info.

 

You link comes back as "Page Not Found"...Rats!

 

Ed

[+embra]

It looks like that last parentheses got included in the link. Deleting it seems to work.

 

Try this.

 

Edit: I still can't get used to seeing things like this on such pages (makes me feel like I've strayed into a parallel universe):

 

© 2000 State of California. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor.

Edited March 2, 2005 by embra

[Wintertime]

It looks like that last parentheses got included in the link.  Deleting it seems to work.

Thanks for catching that, Embra. The URL tags were added by the forum software; it caught the beginning of the URL properly, but apparently got confused by the parenthesis at the end of my sentence.

 

I still can't get used to seeing things like this on such pages (makes me feel like I've strayed into a parallel universe):

 

© 2000 State of California. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor.

LOL! I know what you mean. It does sound like something from a movie...

 

Patty

[+Team ARK-ville]

I found a benchmark today and I too am unable to find a data sheet either on geocaching.com or USGS 

 

I have written an email to USGS to see if they can come up with the data sheet.

 

I received an email reply from Cheryl Malone today and she says that it appears that the designation in the database is not consistant with the stamping on the BM. She has passed on the information and she will try to figure out what happened and let me know what she finds.

 

So, the data sheet I found that seemed to be the correct one for this BM may well be the correct one with an error in designation. The designation on the data sheet was S 130. The designation on the BM was S 310.

Received an email from Burt Smith at NGS tonight and the correct has been made to the data sheet for NA0635 and the correct designation is now S 310.

[+rogbarn]

Received an email from Burt Smith at NGS tonight and the correct has been made to the data sheet for NA0635 and the correct designation is now S 310.

Thanks for the update and the details. A bit of clarification: NA0635 now shows on the NGS site with designation S 310. But the stamping shows "STAMPING: S-130 1942". Do you know if they will update the stamping?

[+Team ARK-ville]

Received an email from Burt Smith at NGS tonight and the correct has been made to the data sheet for NA0635 and the correct designation is now S 310.

Thanks for the update and the details. A bit of clarification: NA0635 now shows on the NGS site with designation S 310. But the stamping shows "STAMPING: S-130 1942". Do you know if they will update the stamping?

rogbarn,

They did not indicate if that correction would be made or not. Seems as though they should.

[evenfall]

Rog,

 

There is a 99 & 44/100 % chance that no one will be out to re-stamp that disc... Maybe even less!

 

But stranger things have happened... Ahhnold is the Governor after all... And could be President if the idea catches on...

 

Girlymen, be very afraid!

 

Rob

[+Team ARK-ville]

I just emailed Burt Smith and asked if the stamping on the data sheet should be changed to reflect the correction of the designation of S310. The stamping on the actual BM is correct to S310. The information on the data sheet was what was incorrect.

 

If someone can explain how to post a picture here I will post the BM or you can go to my post for finding NA0635 and see the picture there.