+RuffRidr Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Here's a story I heard about on Slashdot that I thought would affect some of you: Ban on Frontseat computers --RuffRidr Quote Link to comment
+-=(GEO)=- Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Eheh...Now, I guess that all the cops in CA with laptops rigged to their dashboards have just become criminals Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Guess that includes Police Departments too? Or will they say they don't use them while in motion? Quote Link to comment
+RuffRidr Posted January 2, 2004 Author Share Posted January 2, 2004 Eheh...Now, I guess that all the cops in CA with laptops rigged to their dashboards have just become criminals The article that Slashdot points to does say that Police and other such vehicles are exempt from the new law. --RuffRidr Quote Link to comment
+RobRee Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 police departments are exempt from VTL in most states. if you read the front end of your states Vehicle and Trffic Law there is usually an exemption included. i would find that discretion would be necessary in enforcing the computer code. i use a laptop for GPS mapping in my auto. 15" screen is better than a calculator size screen. i will look at the CA code and see it's flaws and limitations. remember law is interpretable. a few cases of laptop GPSr use will allow for a change in code also. my opinion robbie Quote Link to comment
+RobRee Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) proposed and current legislation california vehicle code.. read page 2 27602. No person shall drive a motor vehicle which is equipped with a television receiver, screen, or other means of visually receiving a television broadcast which is located in the motor vehicle at any point forward of the back of the driver's seat, or which is visible to the driver while operating the motor vehicle. This section shall not apply to a mobile digital terminal installed in a law enforcement vehicle. read subs 1( b )1 vehicle info display 2 global positioning display 3 mapping display 4 clearance and manuevering camera display 5 TV with interlock disabling device. sub 1( b )6 police MDTs not prohibited. is your Police vehicle clause. should dispel any myths, and spell it out. ask for a current VTL book at your motor vehicle dept. should be free or like 1$. robbie oh yeah --- i will not be held liable for any info provided here. provided as opinion, and not law. so don't quote me in court.. lol. Edited January 2, 2004 by robree Quote Link to comment
+Right Wing Wacko Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 ( Subdivision (a) does not apply to the following equipment when installed in a vehicle: (1) A vehicle information display. (2) A global positioning display. (3) A mapping display. ... Just make sure you keep a copy of MS Streets & Trips or a similar program loaded! That should qualify under exemption 3. If you also have your GPS connected to it to diplay your current position, it should qualify under botth 2 and 3. Quote Link to comment
+Dave_W6DPS Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 So, it appears to outlaw PDAs and laptops to look at cache pages while driving--I guess I'll just have to print the cache pages again and look at the paper copies..... Dave_W6DPS Quote Link to comment
+Lazyboy & Mitey Mite Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Does this mean I'll have to purchase a vehicle with a back seat if I want to cache in CA? I don't need to go there anyway Quote Link to comment
Swagger Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 ( Subdivision (a) does not apply to the following equipment wheninstalled in a vehicle: (1) A vehicle information display. (2) A global positioning display. (3) A mapping display. ... Just make sure you keep a copy of MS Streets & Trips or a similar program loaded! That should qualify under exemption 3. If you also have your GPS connected to it to diplay your current position, it should qualify under botth 2 and 3. I would be happy to provide the State of California with a case to test in court when my passenger is navigating using my GPS connected to my laptop running MapPoint and AGPS. I understand the reasoning behind the law, but I still feel that it's going overboard. This is just another bit of weight on the "hate" side of my "love/hate California" scale. Quote Link to comment
+Criminal Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 Eheh...Now, I guess that all the cops in CA with laptops rigged to their dashboards have just become criminals I think not... Quote Link to comment
+RobRee Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 cruzin - almost every state has adopted the "forward of the driver"rule. it makes sense when you seen dumb people with screen lock. they look at the screen and don't look up. we have the law in NY, and in almost 12 years i have only enforced it once. driver stated "i was looking at the tv and all of a sudden the guy pulled out in front of me." it is a shame when people can't control themselves and must be "legislated." we all suffer in the longrun. i use the 15" screen of my laptop as it provides a large, crisp image and i onl have to glance at it. the screen on my maggie STPro is a little small for auto navigation. my laptop supports routing through street atlas and has much more accurate mapping. i would never try to watch a movie while driving though. robbie criminal.... i hear ya. Quote Link to comment
+RobRee Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 (edited) double post ---- oooops Edited January 2, 2004 by robree Quote Link to comment
+Criminal Posted January 2, 2004 Share Posted January 2, 2004 it is a shame when people can't control themselves and must be "legislated." we all suffer in the longrun. Same here, containers, permission, wilderness, ect. Every time some idiot does something idiotic, someone screams for more legislation to protect the idiots from themselves. Quote Link to comment
Bosdmeg Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Seams to me California must be full of idiots. I have a big problem with most of the laws in Cali, especially the 55 MPH with a trailer. Not to mention the crazy tax laws. I’m surprised they haven’t put restrictions on dihydrogen monoxide, every thing else there seems to cause cancer. It’s to bad really most of cali is quite stunning. Quote Link to comment
+JohnnyVegas Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 So, it appears to outlaw PDAs and laptops to look at cache pages while driving--I guess I'll just have to print the cache pages again and look at the paper copies..... Dave_W6DPS Slash.com- amnother story that does not cover all the facts, typical internet stuff. You should not be reading the cache display or anything else while driving . I travel HWY 80 in Ca every week and I have almost been hit more than just a few times by idiots with DVD players on the dash of their car, Reading news paper while driving etc. If you are going to drive then you should drive and leave the reading etc. to another person, like a passenger . IF you want to read a cache display pull off the road or wait untill you park your car. I just hope the fine is very large for the offenders, IMO $1,000.00 sounds about right . Quote Link to comment
Bosdmeg Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Seams to me California must be full of idiots. I have a big problem with most of the laws in Cali, especially the 55 MPH with a trailer. Not to mention the crazy tax laws. I’m surprised they haven’t put restrictions on dihydrogen monoxide, every thing else there seems to cause cancer. It’s to bad really most of cali is quite stunning. Quote Link to comment
+hedberg Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Wow, sometimes aren't the US so bad after all Here in Sweden is it allowed to watch TV while driving, there is no regulations saying you must steir with your hands, you can talk on your cellphone, smoke a cigarette at the same time, and of course yell at your kids in the backseat. Some regulations are not stupid. Don't forget that they most dangerous hazard in the traffic are YOU and all other humans. It is not the cars who kills other people, it is the driver inside the car!! Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted January 3, 2004 Share Posted January 3, 2004 Wow, and I had thought the In-attentative Driving infraction covered it. Now they can fine you for both. Quote Link to comment
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