+georgeandmary Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 I didn't see it but someone at my wife's work saw it and told my wife about some terrorist scenario where a gps unit is used to trigger a bomb. Basically, the gps would be attached to some kind of bomb and then shipped to the US through the ports. When my wife tried to explain that a gps unit would not work very well inside a package she got met with "that's what the people on TV said". Did anyone see the episode? george Quote Link to comment
Jeremy Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 1. Battery power 2. Container difficult to maintain lock. 3. Too inaccurate. Once false read would detonate too early (or not at all). Seems like someone stayed up too late one night dreaming up a filler story. Jeremy Jeremy Irish Groundspeak Lackey and Geopuppet Quote Link to comment
+WaylandersMA Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 the 60 minutes story was about container shipping. How 2% of them are opened and checked. They did not go into the gps details but one could easily envision a dirty atomic bomb assembled in a foreign land and the whole container shipped to Newark for off loading. The GPS for detonation could easily ride near the top of the container with an antennea mounted on the upper surface of the box. Surround it with Nike tennis shoes. Could easily be done. The terrorist could set it off in the comfort of their home with tracking software that showed it was in port, (or on the GW bridge).They did not go into detail as to how easy it would be to make a dirty bomb with TNT surrounding some fissionable material. It blows up and the port of Newark is unusable for around 50,000 years. This would arrest our economy big time. Our entire economy relies on container transport. If we dissallowed it the economy is toast. If we searched every box our economy is toast. Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Paul Morrison WaylandersMA: It blows up and the port of Newark is unusable for around 50,000 years. Couldn't you at least blow it up a little bit farther from my house? That would really ruin my local caches for about the next 50,000 years. Illegitimus non carborundum! Quote Link to comment
+Mopar Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Paul Morrison WaylandersMA: It blows up and the port of Newark is unusable for around 50,000 years. Couldn't you at least blow it up a little bit farther from my house? That would really ruin my local caches for about the next 50,000 years. Illegitimus non carborundum! Quote Link to comment
+mrcpu Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 K.I.S.S. 1. Set the trigger on the door. If it gets opened for inspection then ...BOOM. If the container gets to it's destination and is openend BOOM 2. Time how long it should take to get the container to the destination and then set your timer, close the door and ship. Tick Tick Tick BOOM (P.S. I'm NOT a terrorist, just a Tom Clancy fan ) Rob Mobile Cache Command Quote Link to comment
+mrcpu Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 K.I.S.S. 1. Set the trigger on the door. If it gets opened for inspection then ...BOOM. If the container gets to it's destination and is openend BOOM 2. Time how long it should take to get the container to the destination and then set your timer, close the door and ship. Tick Tick Tick BOOM (P.S. I'm NOT a terrorist, just a Tom Clancy fan ) Rob Mobile Cache Command Quote Link to comment
Jake.Hazelip Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt Don't worry folks, it's just the media spreading unfounded panic so that nobody will question the Bush regime as they continue to use the Bill of Rights for toilet paper... Nothing to see here. Just move along. Quote Link to comment
Jake.Hazelip Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 FUD = Fear Uncertainty Doubt Don't worry folks, it's just the media spreading unfounded panic so that nobody will question the Bush regime as they continue to use the Bill of Rights for toilet paper... Nothing to see here. Just move along. Quote Link to comment
+Renegade Knight Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 It's feasable. They are not talking about our GPSR's, but a GPS that gives an alarm when it arrives at it's destination... oh wait mine already does that when it's close. This is more doable than it first seems. I am ever so glad that Terrorism 101 is taught on our public TV stations. You don't need the Anarchist Handbook, you just need to watch the American News. "In todays news, a pipe bomb was detonated at a remote location by the bomb squad. Here is the parts list for the bomb, you can buy these at the local hardware store." Had this bomb been dropped in the intake at the nuclear plant, Chernobil would have seemed like a walk in the park." Quote Link to comment
irvingdog Posted March 25, 2002 Share Posted March 25, 2002 And the American media is in a race to write a "how to" manual for them. Ask the Isrealis. They'll tell you. Stop giving these idiots ideas! Quote Link to comment
Jake.Hazelip Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Yeah, just trust your own Agent Orange spraying, Homeless people drug testing, $400 toilet seat buying, 13 Billion dollar surplus for the airline industry that they won't force them to use to install new security devices, gub'mint! Blind faith is the best faith! People, shows about dams and power plants are educational and informative. This whole element of distrust and fear is silly. If someone wants to kill you, they will. It's that farking simple. Terrorists aren't monitoring our news casts and PBS specials to learn how to blow up a dam, they'll just hijack a greyhound bus and plow it into a building. Again, go ask the Israelis...they've done such a wonderful job of stifling terrorism by not having PBS specials about dams and bridges. Quote Link to comment
Jake.Hazelip Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Yeah, just trust your own Agent Orange spraying, Homeless people drug testing, $400 toilet seat buying, 13 Billion dollar surplus for the airline industry that they won't force them to use to install new security devices, gub'mint! Blind faith is the best faith! People, shows about dams and power plants are educational and informative. This whole element of distrust and fear is silly. If someone wants to kill you, they will. It's that farking simple. Terrorists aren't monitoring our news casts and PBS specials to learn how to blow up a dam, they'll just hijack a greyhound bus and plow it into a building. Again, go ask the Israelis...they've done such a wonderful job of stifling terrorism by not having PBS specials about dams and bridges. Quote Link to comment
Alphawolf Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 I'm pretty sure they(terorists) have all the ideas they need, and they don't come from American media. I doubt they got he idea of flying 757's into buildings from watching the nightly news. Whoever said they were stupid were wrong! They accomplished with 20 people and our own airplanes, what an entire military couldn't have accomplished. We have defenses built to protect against military forces, not terrorist forces. Don't worry, they already have GPS receivers and have already been trying to figure out how to use them as a weapon. Look at Israel. "Low tech" suicide bombers can not be stopped by any level of military defense. Quote Link to comment
Best_Buddies Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Irish: 1. Battery power A couple of marine batteries should run this thing for weeks. It might not be pretty, but marine batteries will easily fit in a 40 foot wide cargo container. quote:2. Container difficult to maintain lock. Use a remote antenna. Cut a small hole in the top of the container, and replace the metal with plexiglass. Add a thin coating of paint to match the finish. Then, you will probably have more signal than I do when I use my GPS in my van. If another container is on top, then you will not have any signal. But in this case you are still on the boat and should not detonate anyways. When those boats are unloaded, your container WILL have a clear view of the sky for a least a few minutes. quote:3. Too inaccurate. Once false read would detonate too early (or not at all). Have a processor (a PIC would do) read the NMEA strings. When you get readings over the range of a minute close to your target, go boom. In short, it would not be something that you could do in five minutes, but I could rig up something pretty reliable in a few days if I had the money and equipment. I know absolutely nothing about explosives, but I do know processors and GPS. Quote Link to comment
+geospotter Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Do you really think they would need a GPS? They have a better supply of suicide bombers than they have of batteries. Quote Link to comment
magellan315 Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I didn't see the 60 minutes show, buyt I saw something similar in CNN. What they are talking about is using GPS to track shipping containers from there point of origin. So US Customs can make sure they know that its actual location matches the manifest. Its very theoretical at the moment. Quote Link to comment
+GOT GPS? Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 It's as simple as a modified Garmin GPS 12, All you need is some explosive tainted with uranium, and turn the GPS into a grenade. Technology is great, but it can delete US from this life. I have had very uneasy fealings of the world before 911, and find it is more so now. Geocaching: what is that? it is something to help us deal with issues in this world today. What I mean is that we are not high ranking officials, but Geocaching is one way to cope with problems of today. Ab znggre jung bhe oryvrsf ner, jr arrq n havgrq cenlre, gb uryc punatr gur urnegf bs gur rivy barf. My home page about GPS units and information Quote Link to comment
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