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I’m looking for some feedback regarding a cache of mine. It is deliberately deceptive, with a 5L container full of Eclipse tins and nearby, a small systema with the legitimate log book. Athen cache description clearly states that to claim the find you must sign the log. Someone decided that adding a scrap of paper into the decoy would do and others have signed this scrap of paper. As the CO, am I within my rights to delete logs that are not in the logbook?

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On face value yes, but was there a clear intent to cheat (or laziness) or was there a mistake in good faith?

 

I've found similar caches. I have assumed all but one of the tins was a decoy, and sure enough after opening enough tins I'd find a log. If I found all tins empty I'd assume the log is missing; a cache full of decoys being itself a decoy is not something that would readily jump to my mind. Were you being too 'clever'? Having multiple decoys in a cache container is not a novel idea, but I've never found one where all the tins were decoys. Is there a clear means for people to realise that the decoys are themselves within a decoy? Another cache I found contained 50 decoy tins - in all but one there was a note saying "No". The real tin had a log book instead.  In that case, if all tins had "No" or "Decoy" written inside then I'd start to suspect something is not quite as it seems.  Actually, all decoys I've found had some indication that I'd not found the true cache or log. So was a mistake made in good faith by the original cacher that put the slip of paper in place?

 

Finding a log and assuming it is the legitimate log is also too easy. I actually found one such cache with paper in two tins - I signed both to be sure, but if I had not looked in all tins (out of curiosity) I'd never have known there was another log. What if the first one I found was not the true log and I'd not been curious? Checking many tins and then finding a slip of paper would lead most people into thinking they had found the log as per your requirement. So again, could a mistake have been made in good faith by following cachers?

 

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Thanks for your reply. Yes, it seems as though there was an element of good faith, however the level of difficulty reduces if the tin with paper is easily located, which was not the intent of the cache. While there is not a no, no, no in each tin, the cache description and multiple maintenance logs state that you are looking for a logbook, not a piece of paper, but I am quickly learning that no one reads the page anymore. It’s just a numbers game. Sad that... 

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Is there a hint, or indication, in the listed container size, i.e., the one containing the log book?

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Wow toughie. I found your cache you are talking about. Did you recently add the disclaimer about not placing a replacement log? This is really good!

 

I probably would not punish the folks that found it fair and square after the throw down. You may choose to confront the first signer maybe give them a hard time and ask them not to do this again. This is one of the problems with community maintenance sometime they get it wrong. They may have thought incorrectly they were helping out, I found a cache DNA tube two days ago that had no paper in it so it does happen that they get lost.

 

Now imagine a fairly big container with 100s of DNA tubes in it. The CO had the final coordinate to three different caches in there. I found out after the first visit I need to go back and go through all of them. 

 

I have deleted a log in the past it was not a fun task luckily the guy did not complain and I probably wasted too much time worrying about it.

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