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I like Brian's suggestion of each Geotour deciding on the criteria for getting the souvenir.

I don't like the current policy of having to find all active (even disabled) caches because some are simply not being taken care of. Months of problems and the cache is not being maintained so no one who does the available caches on the tour can get the souvenir. 

On the other hand, determining what was available when could be a coder's nightmare. So I understand the need to simplify the requirement. But still... It's not my fault they won't fix the dang cache! 

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I want to point out a bit of confusion I had with the blog. It revolves around the word 'completed'. GeoTour sponsors have their definition of completed, and the blog implies that GS has a different definition. (And, a sponsor may have several 'levels' of completion.) I would like to have souvenirs that match the sponsor's criteria for completion. I have several random thoughts and suggestions below.

 

The WA State Parks GeoTour had a silver level (50), and a gold level (100), with a total of 103 caches. The Spokane GeoTours used a point system, that included select purchases made in the Spokane area. Specific caches had different point values, spending the night in a Spokane area hotel was worth some points. The Spokane GeoTour also had a complete change of theme during its second year, and list of caches completely changed at the same time. I haven't looked at every GeoTour, there may be other criteria that I am unaware of.


IMO, a simplistic souvenir award system that only awards based on finding all (or a fixed number) of the GeoTours caches is not the way to go. First, GeoTours are generally put on by tourism groups that are using it to attract geocachers to their area. I live near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. My first four GeoTours were based out of Eugene, Oregon, some 500 miles away. So, I spent a bunch of money to do the GeoTour. Of course, some of the caches were unavailable when I was in town because of a variety of factors, including temp disabled, road closures, and being covered by 2 feet of snow. With the WA State Parks GeoTour, I logged several thousand miles to get 102 out of 103 of the caches. That last cache had a high terrain rating, and I have bad knees. I physically could not do it safely, but I did meet the sponsor's Gold Level requirements. In both of these cases, I would have liked to get a souvenir so that I can show off, but I was never going to be able to find all of the caches. Therefore, a souvenir for finding ALL of the caches has no value for me, and therefore adds no value to the GeoTour sponsor.

 

I couldn't put together an easy algorithm that could be used to automatically assign a souvenir that was based on a sponsor's requirement. My suggestion is to allow GeoTour sponsors to create souvenirs, and give them a web page where they could assign their souvenirs to a cacher. If they are going to have different levels of completion, or multiple themes, the sponsor should be able to have multiple souvenirs that they could assign. This way, the definition of completion matches between the sponsor and GS.

 

On the other hand, if GS implements the souvenir in an automated way, I would suggest that GS not use the word 'completed' when talking about the souvenir. Maybe say that every GeoTour has a bonus souvenir for finding every cache of the GeoTour. That way, there is no ambiguity about the definition of completed. That might cut down on the number of queries that GS would get asking where their souvenir is when they have completed the sponsor's requirements.

 

 

 

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Our fingers are crossed for good luck during this testing phase. Are your fingers crossed, too?

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On 5/12/2018 at 9:43 AM, MissJenn said:

Our fingers are crossed for good luck during this testing phase. Are your fingers crossed, too?

Yep, my fingers are crossed.

 

Another question that I have is what will be done about already closed GeoTours. I 'completed' the Lane County GeoTours out of Eugene, OR, but did not get all of the caches. I took several multi-day vacations to get them, and at the time, not all were available. Many of them no longer exist. Therefore, I cannot get them all, even if I went back.

 

Personally, I don't care much about souvenirs. However, if I did, I would want to get credit for all of my completed GeoTours. My OCD doesn't allow any other option. :D So, I think GS should address what they are planning to do with past GeoTours.

 

As a simple algorithm, I think that a percentage complete (Lane County: 24 out of 36, WA State Parks: 100 out of 103, HQ: 9 out of 9, Spokane: 80%) would be fairly accurate, and satisfy a large number of GeoTour participants.

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I like the souvenirs, so I was looking forward to getting one for the only GeoTour I did. It has been archived recently though, and there is another difficulty with this one: I finished the GeoTour a short while after it was published, but a few weeks later, one of the caches (a multi) was archived and changed by a traditional. When I now take a look at the GeoTour-page, it only shows the traditional cache, and not the multi (which was part of the GeoTour when I did it, it even has the same name as the traditional by which it was replaced). Makes it quite complicated to retrospectively add a souvenir, looks like a certain percentage would be a good solution for these kind of problems too :-)

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At each location fill in your Passport with the official GeoTour code word. Complete all of the caches and code words, log your caches at Geocaching.com and we’ll reward you with a SWEET Donut Trail GeoTour coin.*

 

* Stop by or mail completed Passport to: Butler County Visitors Bureau 8756 Union Centre Blvd. West Chester, OH 45069

Limit one coin per team. Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. For more information, call 513-860-4194 or visit GetToTheBC.com/GeoTour

 

Found this info on a simple Google search.  Although I wasn't there, my son, daughter in law, grandson, and a good friend of theirs was there, and sent us a photo that they had done it.  They are traveling back today home to Arizona today - I can find out if they applied for or got the coin for completing it.  Did you complete the passport and apply for the coin?

 

 

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6 hours ago, CAVinoGal said:

At each location fill in your Passport with the official GeoTour code word. Complete all of the caches and code words, log your caches at Geocaching.com and we’ll reward you with a SWEET Donut Trail GeoTour coin.*

 

* Stop by or mail completed Passport to: Butler County Visitors Bureau 8756 Union Centre Blvd. West Chester, OH 45069

Limit one coin per team. Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. For more information, call 513-860-4194 or visit GetToTheBC.com/GeoTour

 

Found this info on a simple Google search.  Although I wasn't there, my son, daughter in law, grandson, and a good friend of theirs was there, and sent us a photo that they had done it.  THey are traveling back today home to Arizona today - I can find out if they applied for or got the coin for completing it.  Did you complete the assport and apply for the coin?

 

 

 

I thought this thread was about the souvenir, not coin.

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Right now the only GeoTour (as I read it) that results in a virtual souvenir is the HQ GeoTour, and it's a test.  purplepotter51 asked about "credit" for completing the Butler County Donut GeoTour, so I was answering that.  It doesn't look like there is a virtual souvenir at this point for anything other than the HQ GeoTour.

 

What about the physical prizes?
Some GeoTours offer geocoins and/or other prizes. Those are unrelated to the completion souvenir.

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11 minutes ago, CAVinoGal said:

It doesn't look like there is a virtual souvenir at this point for anything other than the HQ GeoTour.

 

 

That is incorrect.

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If caches are still available that were once part of an official Geo-Tour but now are no longer  part of an official Geo-Tour do you still get the souvenir if you complete them all?  Or would you have had to have found all of them  prior to this program going live and souvenirs were awarded retroactively to those that met the criteria?  Therefore, any new completions of the tour, because it is no longer "official", will not get the souvenir.   Anyone have any experience with this?  

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SEMY opened this topic with the blog post from May 8. Thanks SEMY.

On May 21, we published a follow-up blog post that includes news about GeoTours beyond just the HQ GeoTour in Seattle: 

https://www.geocaching.com/blog/2018/05/geotour-completed-souvenir-earned/

 

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If caches are still available that were once part of an official Geo-Tour but now are no longer  part of an official Geo-Tour do you still get the souvenir if you complete them all? 

You would have had to find them all when the GeoTour was active.

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I'm a dope! I just completed a fantastic 41 geocache Geotrail in my state, thinking I'd earn the souvenir. Then I figured out, since no one else got the souvenir, that it's for Official partnerships. Bummer. But the Geo Trail was so much fun!

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This Geotour GT9D only has one cache. So if I find that cache, I get the souvenir?

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34 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

This Geotour GT9D only has one cache. So if I find that cache, I get the souvenir?

According to this website there will be 30 geocaches in this Geotour, to be published this month.

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4 minutes ago, irisisleuk said:

According to this website there will be 30 geocaches in this Geotour, to be published this month.

That one cache listed is five years old. Do you think it's a placeholder?

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35 minutes ago, Max and 99 said:

That one cache listed is five years old. Do you think it's a placeholder?

Or maybe they are waiting for it to get archived to be able to publish the cache for the Geotour since Connersville already has a lot of caches. 😉

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1 hour ago, irisisleuk said:

Or maybe they are waiting for it to get archived to be able to publish the cache for the Geotour since Connersville already has a lot of caches. 😉

You lost me. Why list it on the geotour if they are waiting for it to be archived?

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 GeoTour GT9D is not yet live so no souvenirs are being awarded yet. 

Coming very soon, though! 🙂 

Now you all have a sneak peak and can start planning a trip to Fayette County, Indiana. 

 

Who's planning on going?

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@SEMY wouldn't it be fun to have  with one another again (in Indiana this time?) 😉

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20 minutes ago, MissJenn said:

 GeoTour GT9D is not yet live so no souvenirs are being awarded yet. 

Coming very soon, though! 🙂 

Now you all have a sneak peak and can start planning a trip to Fayette County, Indiana. 

 

Who's planning on going?

Maybe me, if I get enough notice to book a flight!

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On 5/15/2019 at 9:28 AM, MissJenn said:

@SEMY wouldn't it be fun to have  with one another again (in Indiana this time?) 😉

 

Well, @MissJenn just placed a will attend for geowoodstock 18 in 2020. The week before I’ll be in Seattle. Let grab some good coffee then. Looking forward to it!!

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