Luckless Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) My understanding is that nonvalidated members are smartphone users using the app without signing up for membership. Someone asked me for a hint for one of my caches. When I tried to respond to them in an email it said they were a nonvalidated member. I left a note on the webpage that said I couldn't reach them by email because they were not validated members.(they have not registered a valid email address) I doubt they'll see my note This is the second time someone asked a question and I couldn't respond because they were not a validated member. Wonder if they are aware of that. Edited April 26, 2015 by Luckless Quote Link to comment
+TriciaG Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter Quote Link to comment
+NanCycle Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" Quote Link to comment
+TriciaG Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. Quote Link to comment
+SageTracey Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) You could view it as an opportunity to educate the person. It's possible that they don't know that they have an unvalidated email account and that they are missing out on communications because of it. Edited April 26, 2015 by SageTracey Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 My understanding is that nonvalidated members are smartphone users using the app without signing up for membership. Someone asked me for a hint for one of my caches. When I tried to respond to them in an email it said they were a nonvalidated member. I left a note on the webpage that said I couldn't reach them by email because they were not validated members.(they have not registered a valid email address) I doubt they'll see my note This is the second time someone asked a question and I couldn't respond because they were not a validated member. Wonder if they are aware of that. Looks like (for now) the option of the message center's your best bet (other than leaving notes on cache pages that they probably won't see...). Like SageTracy said,"an opportunity to educate" - well, if they receive or notice... - Yours at least asked a question, so may be looking, expecting an answer. But I agree with NanCycle. I don't feel the message center is a work around for people who won't validate their accounts and I personally won't use it for that . - I don't think email validation should be optional when joining in the first place. Quote Link to comment
Pup Patrol Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I'm not sure if people who don't log into the website will even see that they have messages in the Message Center. It sounds like they don't understand things, if they are emailing the cache owner without including their email address. B. Quote Link to comment
+Sagefox Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Because they are new and the likely don't even know what validating is or why they should do it. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" We need to remind ourselves to think about how we would feel if this was our first contact from another geocacher and few weeks into the game. Would we want to continue after that? New phone app people can be damned frustrating but many become dedicated cachers. They need a gentle push in the right direction. Quote Link to comment
Luckless Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter Thanks, I'll give this a try. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Curious to see if this helps. Quote Link to comment
+J Grouchy Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I'd like to hear from GS why email validation isn't a requirement to continue using the service. Quote Link to comment
+K13 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I'd like to hear from GS why email validation isn't a requirement to continue using the service. YES! Why would GS allow unvalidated users. Once validated, they would be counted as MEMBERS. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center. Quote Link to comment
+K13 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center. Why would people buy that app? Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center. Why would people buy that app? Shhh.... I hear eggshells. Quote Link to comment
+Mudfrog Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Because they are new and the likely don't even know what validating is or why they should do it. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" We need to remind ourselves to think about how we would feel if this was our first contact from another geocacher and few weeks into the game. Would we want to continue after that? New phone app people can be damned frustrating but many become dedicated cachers. They need a gentle push in the right direction. The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this. It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service. Quote Link to comment
+megawatty Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center. Where did you see this? The lack of iOS updates of the paid app is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment
+Sagefox Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service. I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation. The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this. As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on. This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity. It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocachin...t/messagecenter But why would I want to bother using the new message center if they can't be bothered to validate their account. Hmm, the only message I would consider sending is "Validate your account already!" And that's a good message to send to them via the message center. I think this works if they are using the free beginner's geocaching app, but I believe Groundspeak has stated that they will not be updating the paid version to work with this message center. Where did you see this? The lack of iOS updates of the paid app is ridiculous. I believe (but don't shoot me if I'm wrong) it was Rock Chalk, in the main discussion on the new Message Center. He said that the paid app was getting pretty old for it, or something like that. I don't think it was explicitly stated, but at least strongly implied. Quote Link to comment
+jwmoe1973 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 You can use the new message center to send a message to non-validated members. http://www.geocaching.com/account/messagecenter +1000 Quote Link to comment
+The Microbe Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Can non validated members (and in my case, a bunch of kids only interested in stealing what was left in the container) see premium member sites? Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Can non validated members (and in my case, a bunch of kids only interested in stealing what was left in the container) see premium member sites? If by "sites" you mean a pmo cache page, a basic member, validated or not, can't read a pmo cache page for it's coordinates/info. If you're depending on the audit to figure "who done it", PQs, bookmarks, and (unless changed recently) most phone apps bypass the audit. Quote Link to comment
ohgood Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service. I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation. The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this. As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on. This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity. It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc. some people don't want validation via Facebook, text message, email and phone calls with pins. it's not a big deal, but just a personal preference, kind of like how some people don't want to use their real name on the internet. as far as "investing"in the game, i think people need to take a step back and realized THEY have invested more than is healthy, for a game. when personal preferences become the reason for wanting to change others through rules and contacts, the gaming aspect is lost. Quote Link to comment
+cerberus1 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 It would be better for all if GS required validation before using the service. I have thought this too. I don't know why it is this way. There may be a good reason for not requiring validation. The thing is, we shouldn't have to come back later and educate people about this. As I see it the need for educating is greater now than it has ever been and will continue on. This is because new people have less invested in the game. In the "olden days" we were more tech-savvy and we considered the gps units fun to use and they were and are still expensive. Today the intro phone-app people already have the smartphone and they might not even be interested in the game beyond a smidgen of curiosity. It would be good to be able to contact them to let them know that the trackable they grabbed and held on to is not a trade item and that they don't need to hit the "submit" button several times when in poor data reception areas resulting in two to six Found Its for a single cache, etc. some people don't want validation via Facebook, text message, email and phone calls with pins. it's not a big deal, but just a personal preference, kind of like how some people don't want to use their real name on the internet. as far as "investing"in the game, i think people need to take a step back and realized THEY have invested more than is healthy, for a game. when personal preferences become the reason for wanting to change others through rules and contacts, the gaming aspect is lost. When we first started, we considered this a hobby. Most our friends did too. Simply using our GPSrs to find cool spots someone thought awesome, shared it with others, many we've never been to before. Years later (we felt) this hobby was turning into a game, when location sorta took a back seat to stats/numbers. We stay because there are still some places to visit that remind us of why we joined in the first place. If this hobby started out as a game, we wouldn't have bothered... Quote Link to comment
cezanne Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Can non validated members (and in my case, a bunch of kids only interested in stealing what was left in the container) see premium member sites? If by "sites" you mean a pmo cache page, a basic member, validated or not, can't read a pmo cache page for it's coordinates/info. However a nonvalidated member can be a PM. Quote Link to comment
Kybelum Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 However a nonvalidated member can be a PM. In-App Payment (Cell Phone) Quote Link to comment
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