Count up / Count down

[+saopaulo1]

What about something like this? If seen one in local libraries.

[+elyob]

18 hours ago, saopaulo1 said:

What about something like this? If seen one in local libraries.

 

This is a great question.  They are not commercial.  In my part of the world, they are so common that they are no longer interesting.  They are so common that there may be proximity issues.  What do the rest of you think?

[+Max and 99]

Where I live, I've only seen these on college campuses.

[+PISA-caching]

On ‎8‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 9:21 PM, BK-Hunters said:

I would exclude these because when the job is complete the display will go away, IE it is temporary.

Keith

 

Ok, I'm not familiar with this kind of counter. I thought that they are set up at the entrance of a factory and set back to 0, if any accident has occurred. I don't know what "the job" exactly is. Are they used for example when building a bridge or a house and removed when the house is finished? In that case I would exclude them.

[+PISA-caching]

9 hours ago, elyob said:

 

This is a great question.  They are not commercial.  In my part of the world, they are so common that they are no longer interesting.  They are so common that there may be proximity issues.  What do the rest of you think?

 

I've never seen one of these in my part of the world. Therefore I would accept them and hope that no waymarker will post tons of the same kind of counter.

 

I think the problem is similar to the advertising columns. I could post tons of advertising columns in my home town, because they seem to be everywhere. Instead I picked one that looks better than others and is in the center of the city and will only post additional ones, if they are (in whatever way) different to the first column.

[+PISA-caching]

Call for Officer Vote has been started.

[+elyob]

Voted.

[+pmaupin]

Voted

 

[+PISA-caching]

Peer Review has started. Can't wait to read the comments.

 

[+elyob]

Everybody, go vote.

[+PISA-caching]

Regarding the (so far) only negative comment in the peer review:

 

I don't like the "countdown's end has to be 5 or more years in the future". Most countdown clocks are reset each year for a specific event. All the ones I've visited are like this.

 

I'm willing to change that part of the category description to also include countdowns that start over again every year, but as usual this should be discussed in the forum. I don't know any such countdown and would like to avoid waymarks, where a countdown is actived every year (let's say) 30 days before an upcomming event takes place. Such countdown waymarks would lead waymarkers to displays that are inactive most of the time. So, a change of that part of the category description will only occur, if we find a definition that includes the mentioned countdowns, but doesn't automatically include countdowns that nobody wants (e.g. countdowns at traffic lights, countdowns that are inactive most of the time etc.).

[+elyob]

Until I can consider an example of a permanent, continuous, restarting countdown; I vote for the category description to remain as it is.

[+bluesnote]

On 9/2/2019 at 5:18 AM, PISA-caching said:

Regarding the (so far) only negative comment in the peer review:

 

I don't like the "countdown's end has to be 5 or more years in the future". Most countdown clocks are reset each year for a specific event. All the ones I've visited are like this.

 

I'm willing to change that part of the category description to also include countdowns that start over again every year, but as usual this should be discussed in the forum. I don't know any such countdown and would like to avoid waymarks, where a countdown is actived every year (let's say) 30 days before an upcomming event takes place. Such countdown waymarks would lead waymarkers to displays that are inactive most of the time. So, a change of that part of the category description will only occur, if we find a definition that includes the mentioned countdowns, but doesn't automatically include countdowns that nobody wants (e.g. countdowns at traffic lights, countdowns that are inactive most of the time etc.).

 

That's my comment. I only say this because there are interesting countdown clocks out there that reset each year, and I feel like they should be included in the category. I would suggest that you should add "if the clock continuously countdowns to an event for 1 full year and is reset after each event occurs, then they can be included in the category". This would exclude countdown clocks such as those used for the Olympics (which I've seen in many cities) which once the event starts are deactivated. However, they could be included here as well for their historical value, but I'll leave that up the community (and officers) to decide. If this issue can be updated to include annual countdown clocks after the category goes live, I'll change my vote.

[+bluesnote]

On 8/25/2019 at 8:01 PM, elyob said:

 

This is a great question.  They are not commercial.  In my part of the world, they are so common that they are no longer interesting.  They are so common that there may be proximity issues.  What do the rest of you think?

I enjoy seeing them, but like others have said I've really only seen them on college campuses. I have seen them in other places such as airports and libraries. The college that I currently attend have these everywhere. I go to a large public university, so I would assume there are hundred to a few thousand of them scattered throughout campus. One building could have 30 or more. While I do find these interesting (and if waymarked, would be fun to see the progression of the counter over the years), I believe it would be better to have this as a separate category, if any, in the future. This is something that can be worked out later.

[+PISA-caching]

7 hours ago, bluesnote said:

That's my comment....

 

It would be great, if you could give an example for such a countdown. Like I said before, I'm ready to change that rule when the category came to life. My suggestion for the new rule would be:

 

The countdown's end has to be 5 or more years in the future or it has to be a long-term countdown that is continiously running and reset no more than once a year.

 

But IF we change that rule this way, we probably should ask for a reference that the countdown is indeed long-term and not just running once.

 

Peer Review is over. So, let's see, if Groundspeak accepts the new category too. In the meantime, I'm asking everybody to let us know what you think of the little change in the rule.

Edited September 4, 2019 by PISA-caching

[+bluesnote]

20 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

 

It would be great, if you could give an example for such a countdown. Like I said before, I'm ready to change that rule when the category came to life. My suggestion for the new rule would be:

 

The countdown's end has to be 5 or more years in the future or it has to be a long-term countdown that is continiously running and reset no more than once a year.

 

But IF we change that rule this way, we probably should ask for a reference that the countdown is indeed long-term and not just running once.

 

Peer Review is over. So, let's see, if Groundspeak accepts the new category too. In the meantime, I'm asking everybody to let us know what you think of the little change in the rule.

 

I've made a submission and it seems to be in a group vote. Let's see what the officers say.

[+PISA-caching]

My vote was no, but not because of the countdown "problem". I will wait and see what my officers say about my suggestion for a change of the rules. Your waymark would be a great waymark, if you take care of the reasons for the denial.

[+PISA-caching]

The rule regarding the countdowns has been updated. 

[+Max and 99]

I was so surprised to see my first trail counter today. My husband thought it was a power box. "No, no! It's a trail counter!"

 But the counter is not viewable to passersby. But I was so happy to even recognize it.

[+PISA-caching]

On 8/26/2019 at 11:42 AM, PISA-caching said:

I've never seen one of these in my part of the world. Therefore I would accept them and hope that no waymarker will post tons of the same kind of counter.

 

I wrote that years ago and referred to the "bottles saved" displays. It seems that my hope was in vain. The "Counting and Measuring Displays" category is cluttered with the displays on water dispensers. Not what I had in mind, when I started that category.

 

So, is there a chance to stop / slow down that flood? Something like one water dispenser per user per region/country? What do my other officers and everybody else think?

[+pmaupin]

3 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

Something like one water dispenser per user per region/country?

Indeed that would be good.

[Becktracker]

These counters seem to me exactly 'counting and measuring displays'. So I think you are forced to accept them. Maybe go the 'thatch cottages' way: 1 wm per 0,5 miles...

 

That way, you can prevent a tenfold waymarks in the same airport at least.

[+ScroogieII]

41 minutes ago, pmaupin said:

Indeed that would be good.

 

I agree! It's a simple, yet direct method of (hopefully) returning the category to its intended mission. 

[+PISA-caching]

15 hours ago, Becktracker said:

...you are forced to accept them...

 

Is that really so? Is there any such "rule" that I can read somewhere?

I don't want to deny all of them, but with "one 'bottles saved' WM per user per state/region/province" every WMer around the world still has the chance to find at least a 'bottles saved" display (if not any other display that is more interesting) and post it.

[+Bear and Ragged]

19 hours ago, Becktracker said:

These counters seem to me exactly 'counting and measuring displays'. So I think you are forced to accept them. Maybe go the 'thatch cottages' way: 1 wm per 0,5 miles...

 

That way, you can prevent a tenfold waymarks in the same airport at least.

 

Waymark set at a distance apart, is a good idea.

If a store has two (or more) at least someone else can have a chance to WM one!

[Becktracker]

4 hours ago, PISA-caching said:

 

Is that really so? Is there any such "rule" that I can read somewhere?

The rules are the category descriptions. If a waymark conforms 100% to a category description, as in this case, it is eligable. You can off course edit the category description somehow, but I think it will be hard to write it in such a way that these can't be accepted

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

I would not be in favor of one bottle saved counting display per waymarker per country - I do look for these bottle fillers because they are subtle and counting displays of other types are rare to find.

 

I am also not in favor of one WM of this type every (distance). Is it fair that I put a bottle saved WM at the zoo, and some other waymarker puts a bottle saved WM at a science museum planetarium next door, but they are denied due to distance? They can’t get visit on my WM because they didn’t go to the zoo, and they can’t pick up their category icon because I didn’t go to the planetarium. 

 

I get that a category full of bottle fillers is  blah for officers, but I create my WMs for waymarkers  to find, and hopefully grab an icon. 

 

I just found my 1st non-bottles-saved countdown a few days ago. 

——

Edit to add: I have a total of 15 WMs approved in this category, and 14 are bottles saved. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by Benchmark Blasterz
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[+PISA-caching]

On 6/17/2023 at 3:43 PM, Becktracker said:

You can off course edit the category description....

 

As I am the leader of that category and the one that had the idea for it, that's exactly what I was planning to do.

[+Benchmark Blasterz]

So the more I am looking at all the waymarks in this category, the more I see that there are a TON of cool and different counting displays in Europe that I have never seen in the US — and not for a lack of trying! 
 

It seems that in the US the water bottle filler counters are everywhere, and the cyclist counters may be few but perhaps more are coming, and the vast number of solar power watts generated or air quality metering displays are not public. I was happy to find the one AQ meter I did at Mt. Rainier. 
 

I’d love to find a building with a solar array that showed the public how much power was generated - but I bet that is internal data not reported to the general public, and probably only the accountants and the local electric utility are tracking it. 
 

HMMMM - I think I have shown that this is not a one-and-done category for me, but I accept that water bottle stations are not interesting - unless it is the one you got the icon for! HA 

 

I will try and refrain from submitting others, even though I live in hope that I can help someone with a tough icon.  

[+PISA-caching]

On 6/19/2023 at 10:44 PM, Benchmark Blasterz said:

HMMMM - I think I have shown that this is not a one-and-done category for me, but I accept that water bottle stations are not interesting - unless it is the one you got the icon for! HA 

 

I will try and refrain from submitting others, even though I live in hope that I can help someone with a tough icon.  

 

There's no need to completely stop posting them to the category, but one per user and state will keep their numbers down. And I can understand that you posted them, so that others can at least post a visit in that category. But on the other hand: If a waymarker finds such a display and there is no waymark for it yet, he/she can easyly post a WM for it and get the icon. The requirements for this category aren't that difficult. :-)

[+PISA-caching]

I added a new rule to the description of Counting and Measuring Displays.