Huge statistics

[+BlueDeuce]

 

I don't condone either method but if I did, caches should stay in place.

 

There's my quote for the month.

[+1Husky]

Noticed that a group of 5 geocachers from my area claim to have done 800 caches along Route 66 in California in about 12 hours. I don't believe it as you'd have to average more than one cache per minute with no breaks for anything. Even with multiple cars, I doubt that it was done.

[+Roman!]

Noticed that a group of 5 geocachers from my area claim to have done 800 caches along Route 66 in California in about 12 hours. I don't believe it as you'd have to average more than one cache per minute with no breaks for anything. Even with multiple cars, I doubt that it was done.

 

I did route 66 with my kids visiting and signing every cache. Even though we had short days the whole route took 12 hours of caching so it could easily be done in 12 hours straight, in fact I think a highly organized team can do it in under 10 hours without cheating.

[+Ma & Pa]

Noticed that a group of 5 geocachers from my area claim to have done 800 caches along Route 66 in California in about 12 hours. I don't believe it as you'd have to average more than one cache per minute with no breaks for anything. Even with multiple cars, I doubt that it was done.

 

I never would do that kind of series but I would not say it couldn't be done.

 

I was also going to say that you shouldnt criticize claims from cachers, especially cachers from you own area. But then I noticed where you are from.

[+Don_J]

Noticed that a group of 5 geocachers from my area claim to have done 800 caches along Route 66 in California in about 12 hours. I don't believe it as you'd have to average more than one cache per minute with no breaks for anything. Even with multiple cars, I doubt that it was done.

 

Watch the video quoted in post #47. That was on Rt 66. I did 50 caches in an hour on a similar route, by my self with a manual transmission. Could I personally do that for 12 straight hours? Nope, but that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't

[+1Husky]

Guess I don't understand Ma & Pa's comment. What difference is where I'm from have to do with it?

 

My point here is that in order to do 800 caches in 12 hours, you have to average more than 1 cache per minute. It will take at least 1 minute just to drive the .1 mile between. Then add the time it takes to get out of the vehicle, walk to the cache, open the container, sign the log and put back. It's simple math.

 

Yes, I know the numbers hounds won't agree with me but I'm one of those cachers that would rather find a half dozen well done caches than a hundred under matching piles of rocks.

[Zerpersande]

but I'm one of those cachers that would rather find a half dozen well done caches than a hundred under matching piles of rocks.

Same here. I left at about lunch today, took a train out to a small city, found 5 caches, a DNF due to lack of time catching my train back, and got home about 4:30PM. Finding cache after cache at 1 minute intervals, well, whatever floats your boat.

[+wvmarle]

Seeing as you've never done one I'm guessing you're guessing so having done one myself let me ad my $.02 worth.

 

mo·not·o·ny

/məˈnätn-ē/

Noun

Lack of variety and interest; tedious repetition and routine.

 

On the contrary, doing the route certainly did not lack variety and interest, in fact it was one of my most interesting caching experiences and I saw more cool things that day than I did in weeks of caching.

 

The fragment shown in the video is imho a perfect example of power trail monotony. The monotonous landscape, the same type of hide and container every time, straight road, etc. It's just an area that I'd prefer to continue driving, there is pretty much nothing special to see that's worth stopping for. For all those trails with a cache every 162m, well I can't think there are many areas that have something interesting every 162m. Lampposts, telephone poles and bushes all look quite similar.

 

I have walked some "power trails" myself (no 1,000-caches-at-minimum-distance kind of trails here). Some 15-18 caches on a 15 km route, where the route itself is just nice to do, and where the caches and hiding methods are all different so there's actually a challenge involved. Takes maybe 5 hours to complete, even though the trail is along the seaside so pretty level. I also have done 15-cache days in the mountains, that takes a whole day.

[+wvmarle]

My point here is that in order to do 800 caches in 12 hours, you have to average more than 1 cache per minute. It will take at least 1 minute just to drive the .1 mile between. Then add the time it takes to get out of the vehicle, walk to the cache, open the container, sign the log and put back. It's simple math.

Can be done faster, easily.

 

The trick is to not overshoot the next one :-) Speed up fast, you should be able to average about 30 km/h on that stretch, making the trip take barely 20 seconds. Just watch the video posted in this thread. All hides are the same so searching is not really necessary, use chop to sign, and go again.

[+Roman!]

but I'm one of those cachers that would rather find a half dozen well done caches than a hundred under matching piles of rocks.

Same here. I left at about lunch today, took a train out to a small city, found 5 caches, a DNF due to lack of time catching my train back, and got home about 4:30PM. Finding cache after cache at 1 minute intervals, well, whatever floats your boat.

 

Here you are talking nothing about the caches you found but relating your experience/journey proudly, if not for Route 66 I never would have went there and my experience was amazing. When it comes down to it finding a cache is opening a container and signing a log, for the most part this is boring, the thing that makes a cache or caches good or bad is the experience you have and the journey you take.

 

Read the logs on some of the power trails and you will see people had awesome experiences doing them as did I.

[+sgtzara]

Are there any other explanations?

 

 

Steroids.

 

 

There is also that FTF training camp in Oregon. Cell phones go off in the night and everyone bolts out the door into the woods. It has a daytime powertrail course, as well as psychological preparation, dieting, as well as hand exercises for signing logs. Tips on silencing loud lamppost covers with WD-40, as well as excuses for the police are abundant.

 

Love this!!! Made me smile, when can I sign up? :-)

[+niraD]

My point here is that in order to do 800 caches in 12 hours, you have to average more than 1 cache per minute. It will take at least 1 minute just to drive the .1 mile between. Then add the time it takes to get out of the vehicle, walk to the cache, open the container, sign the log and put back. It's simple math.

Are you familiar with the expression GIGO? It means Garbage In, Garbage Out. Your math may be fine, but if the numbers you start with are meaningless, then your results will be just as meaningless.

 

Yes, I know the numbers hounds won't agree with me but I'm one of those cachers that would rather find a half dozen well done caches than a hundred under matching piles of rocks.

I have similar preferences, although I think it might be fun to do a puzzle numbers run sometime (solve dozens of puzzles, then spend a day finding dozens of puzzle finals). But I'm not a numbers hound. And I have no desire to do a numbers run trail.

 

But there's a difference between saying that such numbers are impossible, and saying that you wouldn't enjoy getting those numbers yourself. I know such numbers are possible. I know people who have done it. And others who have done it have posted to this thread.

[+Tobias & Petronella]

5 geocaches per hour...

 

We get those numbers in city with traffic. It's not that hard with a little planning.

 

Tobias

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

[+CanadianRockies]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

GOOD, as in close ups, proving they are actually opening the container, unfurling the log book, stamp is making a mark, and the container is closed properly. I don't disbelieve it...just want to see a GOOD video of it.

[+Roman!]

I don't think anyone one that's done a power trail legitimately cares if you believe them or not, me included.

[+Panther&Pine]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

GOOD, as in close ups, proving they are actually opening the container, unfurling the log book, stamp is making a mark, and the container is closed properly. I don't disbelieve it...just want to see a GOOD video of it.

Well, when we hike it in the fall we'll get videos for you.

[+jellis]

I did 877 in one day on the ET.

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Well, when we hike it in the fall we'll get videos for you.

That'd be cool. Thanks. I probably will do video to when I do the next one.

[+CanadianRockies]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

GOOD, as in close ups, proving they are actually opening the container, unfurling the log book, stamp is making a mark, and the container is closed properly. I don't disbelieve it...just want to see a GOOD video of it.

In the video I linked to, even without close ups, I can see them opening the container, unfurling the log sheet, and stamping it. I can't see if the stamp is making a mark, but I have no reason to doubt it.

 

Even if the stamp isn't marking anything, the point remains the same. It certainly is possible for people to find and log caches along some power trails at a rate that exceeds one cache per minute.

[+wimseyguy]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

GOOD, as in close ups, proving they are actually opening the container, unfurling the log book, stamp is making a mark, and the container is closed properly. I don't disbelieve it...just want to see a GOOD video of it.

It's OK, we don't really need your validation of our caching methods.

[+Maingray]

Anybody have any GOOD video (say on YT) of doing super rapid cache logging. I wanna see proof of this logging every cache!

Is the video in Post #3 not good enough for you?

GOOD, as in close ups, proving they are actually opening the container, unfurling the log book, stamp is making a mark, and the container is closed properly. I don't disbelieve it...just want to see a GOOD video of it.

 

Wow, really . I'd like to see verification of all your cache finds too, all I see in your gallery is you holding the container.

[+Don_J]

Guess I don't understand Ma & Pa's comment. What difference is where I'm from have to do with it?

 

My point here is that in order to do 800 caches in 12 hours, you have to average more than 1 cache per minute. It will take at least 1 minute just to drive the .1 mile between. Then add the time it takes to get out of the vehicle, walk to the cache, open the container, sign the log and put back. It's simple math.

 

Yes, I know the numbers hounds won't agree with me but I'm one of those cachers that would rather find a half dozen well done caches than a hundred under matching piles of rocks.

 

How can you watch the video and then deny what you are seeing? The only question is if they could continue to do that for 12 hours. Many have. Many do it at an even quicker pace. They rent cargo vans and keep the side door open. Also understand that what they call caching may not resemble anything that you call caching, but that is not the issue. Look at what I'm quoting from you, "get out of the vehicle". The driver doesn't put in Park, set the brake and get out. He's sitting there like a drag racer waiting for the green. "Walk to the cache", they are not walking, they are running, and when one gets tired another of the team takes over. "open the container", one guy opens it. "sign the log and put back", the second guy stamps it with a pre-inked stamp, and off they go. Back in the car in 30-40 seconds.

[+Don_J]

Seeing as you've never done one I'm guessing you're guessing so having done one myself let me ad my $.02 worth.

 

mo·not·o·ny

/məˈnätn-ē/

Noun

Lack of variety and interest; tedious repetition and routine.

 

On the contrary, doing the route certainly did not lack variety and interest, in fact it was one of my most interesting caching experiences and I saw more cool things that day than I did in weeks of caching.

 

The fragment shown in the video is imho a perfect example of power trail monotony. The monotonous landscape, the same type of hide and container every time, straight road, etc. It's just an area that I'd prefer to continue driving, there is pretty much nothing special to see that's worth stopping for. For all those trails with a cache every 162m, well I can't think there are many areas that have something interesting every 162m. Lampposts, telephone poles and bushes all look quite similar.

 

I have walked some "power trails" myself (no 1,000-caches-at-minimum-distance kind of trails here). Some 15-18 caches on a 15 km route, where the route itself is just nice to do, and where the caches and hiding methods are all different so there's actually a challenge involved. Takes maybe 5 hours to complete, even though the trail is along the seaside so pretty level. I also have done 15-cache days in the mountains, that takes a whole day.

 

(At the risk of going off topic...)

The drive itself through that section of RT66 is NOT monotonous. In fact, most people drive it to break up the monotony of the Interstate Hwy. I have driven the section many times before geocaches even existed, and when I discovered geocaching, stopping for the 10 or so that were there before the PT just gave me a better opportunity to take in the wonderful landscape.

 

It's really sad when I see someone dismiss an otherwise noteworthy location because someone else has hidden too many caches in it. It's real easy to drive RT66 and never stop for a micro while getting the small and regular caches that existed prior to the PT. Worse is when they do it from half the planet away.

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

You guys are confusing my request for video proof for disbelief. That isn't the case. I know black holes exist, but I also want to see the proof! Just saying it doesn't make it so. Does that make it more understandable.

 

Actually, I just want to see more videos. I've seen one, want more.

Edited February 28, 2013 by TheWeatherWarrior

[+Tobias & Petronella]

My geocaching colleagues and me have discussed a couple of times how it was possible to log so many caches as found in one day as some players do. OK, good roads, good weather, plenty of free time, long powertrails with a distance of .1 miles between caches, good organization of a trip, I can understand this. Nevertheless, some simple calculations show that a person logged e.g. about 5 geocaches per hour. (Once I saw a profile of a cacher who did one cache in about 3-5 minutes). How is it possible? The only idea that came into our minds was that such people actually are large geocaching teams (families?) and that each team member goes outside alone, finds a cache and signs its logbook on behalf of the whole team. Is it so? Are there any other explanations?

 

How many caches do you think a skilled geocacher could do in one hour?

 

If the caches are very close to each other so that it only takes 4 minutes to drive to it and then another 6 minutes to find, sign and replace the "park & grab", that's 10 minutes for 1 find. This works out to 6 finds per hour. If these hides are very easy to drive to and even closer so that it only takes 2 minutes to drive from one to the next and these "park & grabs" take 3 minutes to sign, then you are caching at a rate of 12 per hour.

 

To drive .1 of a mile at 20 mph (average) will take 18 seconds.

 

Tobias

[+Tobias & Petronella]

You guys are confusing my request for video proof for disbelief. That isn't the case. I know black holes exist, but I also want to see the proof! Just saying it doesn't make it so. Does that make it more understandable.

 

Actually, I just want to see more videos. I've seen one, want more.

 

I have a question for you... Why do you want or need proof for something that isn't that hard to understand? Most cachers don't record themselves as they cache and those that do only do it for one or two finds. If you already "believe" (since you don't disbelieve) what others saying then proof is not needed. Are you looking for tips on camera angles or what most caches wear while caching and if not what do you want them to prove?

 

Tobias

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

You guys are confusing my request for video proof for disbelief. That isn't the case. I know black holes exist, but I also want to see the proof! Just saying it doesn't make it so. Does that make it more understandable.

 

Actually, I just want to see more videos. I've seen one, want more.

 

I have a question for you... Why do you want or need proof for something that isn't that hard to understand? Most cachers don't record themselves as they cache and those that do only do it for one or two finds. If you already "believe" (since you don't disbelieve) what others saying then proof is not needed. Are you looking for tips on camera angles or what most caches wear while caching and if not what do you want them to prove?

 

Tobias

Because I love watching videos, will be producing many of my own videos while caching, and likely will also be live streaming (video) while I cache (nothing right away, still researching the best means). I am specifying exactly want I want to see.

 

My question in return would be....why is there so much resistance to my request. It is a simple request. I understand if no video exists (other than the one shown within), but I think it would be cool for others to see. I do know plenty of folks do take some video while caching (more traditional caching).

Edited March 2, 2013 by TheWeatherWarrior

[+CanadianRockies]

Because I love watching videos, will be producing many of my own videos while caching, and likely will also be live streaming (video) while I cache (nothing right away, still researching the best means). I am specifying exactly want I want to see.

 

My question in return would be....why is there so much resistance to my request. It is a simple request. I understand if no video exists (other than the one shown within), but I think it would be cool for others to see. I do know plenty of folks do take some video while caching (more traditional caching).

If you simply want close-up geocaching videos, then perhaps you should start a new topic. This thread deals with "huge statistics."

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Because I love watching videos, will be producing many of my own videos while caching, and likely will also be live streaming (video) while I cache (nothing right away, still researching the best means). I am specifying exactly want I want to see.

 

My question in return would be....why is there so much resistance to my request. It is a simple request. I understand if no video exists (other than the one shown within), but I think it would be cool for others to see. I do know plenty of folks do take some video while caching (more traditional caching).

If you simply want close-up geocaching videos, then perhaps you should start a new topic. This thread deals with "huge statistics."

Because the request deals directly with the topic of HUGE STATISTICS. Duh!

[Ranger Fox]

Hey, TheWeatherWarrior, for kicks and giggles, I took some videos while doing caching on the ET Highway and other places. In one particular video, at that point in the run, we were doing the container switch, so someone was handing me a container with a stamped log (the person in front did the stamping) and I was hopping out to exchange them. Since the weather had warmed (it snowed the previous day on the highway, though we kept going through it), I was standing on the side of the van and holding on to the roof rack. My teammates hadn't thought about doing that (I do stunts like that more often than I'd care to admit) and got a kick out of my acting all silly. The video won't meet your request for showing every part of the process, but it will show how you can do up to fifty caches in an hour.

 

Take the offer or leave it, but PM or email me (I'm not watching this thread and I'm busy at the moment) if you want me to dig it out of my archives and post it somewhere. I have tons of footage and photos I've shot over the past few years, though I rarely post them anywhere. It's more just for personal memory than public consumption.

 

I can specifically name the trips in which I've been with people who use stickers or stamps. There aren't many.

[Ranger Fox]

And since we're talking super stats, just this past week, I bested my epic cache log length record! My longest epic log is now 17 pages (13 log entries) long! It's right around 8,000 words and took me close to five hours to write, review, and post/publish. With so many people writing crap logs these days, I want to continue writing good things. That and brevity escapes me.

[+Don_J]

You guys are confusing my request for video proof for disbelief. That isn't the case. I know black holes exist, but I also want to see the proof! Just saying it doesn't make it so. Does that make it more understandable.

 

Actually, I just want to see more videos. I've seen one, want more.

 

I have a question for you... Why do you want or need proof for something that isn't that hard to understand? Most cachers don't record themselves as they cache and those that do only do it for one or two finds. If you already "believe" (since you don't disbelieve) what others saying then proof is not needed. Are you looking for tips on camera angles or what most caches wear while caching and if not what do you want them to prove?

 

Tobias

Because I love watching videos, will be producing many of my own videos while caching, and likely will also be live streaming (video) while I cache (nothing right away, still researching the best means). I am specifying exactly want I want to see.

 

My question in return would be....why is there so much resistance to my request. It is a simple request. I understand if no video exists (other than the one shown within), but I think it would be cool for others to see. I do know plenty of folks do take some video while caching (more traditional caching).

 

Seriously? In the video in question, you see one guy pull out the log and hold it against his leg while the other guy obviously stamps it with a pre-inked stamp. You said that you wanted to see if the log was actually being signed. It isn't, it's being stamped, which basically became acceptable long before that style of caching was even dreamed up. When pressed, it's because you "love watching videos". Do you watch videos of paint drying as proof that you can touch the wall without getting wet paint on you?

 

The video is what it is. If they took the time to show the naysayers every intricate detail, it would no longer depict cachers finding caches in less than a minute.

[+Cache O'Plenty]

Don't get me wrong, I like all kinds of caches. I was only responding to the OP about how "huge" numbers can be found in a day. Along the power trail there are usually some interesting ones as well (Route 66 has a number of historical pointouts) that probably wouldn't be found very often if it weren't for the trail.

 

Our area has every kind of cache. I like the ones on mountaintops for the views, the historical monuments in the area, river bike trails, themed clever caches (especially where everything is tied together - the title, the location, the cache container, etc.). And I like power trails too.

[+TheWeatherWarrior]

Hey, TheWeatherWarrior, for kicks and giggles, I took some videos while doing caching on the ET Highway and other places. In one particular video, at that point in the run, we were doing the container switch, so someone was handing me a container with a stamped log (the person in front did the stamping) and I was hopping out to exchange them. Since the weather had warmed (it snowed the previous day on the highway, though we kept going through it), I was standing on the side of the van and holding on to the roof rack. My teammates hadn't thought about doing that (I do stunts like that more often than I'd care to admit) and got a kick out of my acting all silly. The video won't meet your request for showing every part of the process, but it will show how you can do up to fifty caches in an hour.

 

Take the offer or leave it, but PM or email me (I'm not watching this thread and I'm busy at the moment) if you want me to dig it out of my archives and post it somewhere. I have tons of footage and photos I've shot over the past few years, though I rarely post them anywhere. It's more just for personal memory than public consumption.

 

I can specifically name the trips in which I've been with people who use stickers or stamps. There aren't many.

I'll PM...appreciate the offer and will likely see what ya have. I don't need anyone one to be a filmmaker (that is what I'm trying to be), but different angles, different ways folks do it, close ups, etc. are great.

 

And since we're talking super stats, just this past week, I bested my epic cache log length record! My longest epic log is now 17 pages (13 log entries) long! It's right around 8,000 words and took me close to five hours to write, review, and post/publish. With so many people writing crap logs these days, I want to continue writing good things. That and brevity escapes me.

I LOVE long logs. When I couldn't cache due to my illness (or I was stuck for a hours on dialysis machines) I would just keep reading logs.

 

Seriously? In the video in question, you see one guy pull out the log and hold it against his leg while the other guy obviously stamps it with a pre-inked stamp. You said that you wanted to see if the log was actually being signed. It isn't, it's being stamped, which basically became acceptable long before that style of caching was even dreamed up. When pressed, it's because you "love watching videos". Do you watch videos of paint drying as proof that you can touch the wall without getting wet paint on you?

 

The video is what it is. If they took the time to show the naysayers every intricate detail, it would no longer depict cachers finding caches in less than a minute.

Don't get all upset, relax man. I am plenty aware of what has and hasn't been done. I want to see if video exists with close ups, commentary, etc. If it doesn't exist, that's fine. I do want to see more. Video is what I do, so yes...I love watching videos!

 

The video provided shows a bit...yes. However, would a laymen (non-cacher) understand what's going on? I don't think so. Granted, they probably didn't make it for that reason, so it is immaterial, but there could be others out there.

Edited March 4, 2013 by TheWeatherWarrior