Questionable objects in caches

[+flask]

the description of the dean video could less be characterized "liberal propaganda" than "wacky fan footage". i've met howard dean. talked to him. he's a down to earth guy; more conservative than you might suspect.

He might be more conservative if you are a socialist. It's all relative dude. It would have been really funny to open a cache and hear the Howard Dean shrieking sound!

 

uh, my family likes to consider ourselves "snelling republicans". dick and barbara snelling served as governor and lt. governor, respectively. i cried the day governor snelling ® died, bringing howard dean (d) into office.

 

it is a shame that dean's legacy is mostly reduced to that one scream, which was largely out of character and yet if you knew his work well, it represented a willingness to fight against heavy odds, to believe in the face of adversity. of course, if you didn't know his background and his work, he looked like a lunatic and it certainly changed his career.

 

dean attracted both conservative centrist and left-wing wacko voters. during his terms we got health insurance for low-income families and a balanced budget. that kind of sums up what he's about: decent standard of living for all citizens, and fiscal responsibility.

 

the devil is always in the details.

[+Walt Jabsco]

Hmm, an unfilled Zippo I personally think would be a nice find, but the guidelines say no, so I would remove one if it were in my cache.

What would even be the point of leaving ammo in a cache? The only person that could use, say a .308 round, would be someone else with a 308. I'll be more than happy to remove any Black Hills .223 60 Gr. Hornady V-MAX rounds that you may wish to leave in my cache however. Just email me first, so I can get to it before anyone else.

Routine religious items like a cross, or rosary, or a little buddha statue, I would leave in my cache, but those pamphlets gotta go.

It would be nice if there were a specific grown-up cache category, where you could have caches with pocketknives and hand tools and the like, not just mctoys.

[+welch]

 

The listing can't solicit. What's inside isn't covered other than food or dangerous items like knifes. Matches or lighters don't belong in caches.

Having the cache page put forth an agenda is certainly not acceptable, but caches can also solict if they have materials in them that are solicitous. I'd be a bit peevish if someone used my cache for their platform.

 

I have no objection to someone dropping off nice swag associated with a cause or an idea, be it a political campaign button, a nice piece of religious regalia or paraphernalia, or a pamphlet about saving the whales, but I don't particularly want anyone loading the box full of any one of those. Geocaching is supposed to be a fun, lighthearted, pastime, not a free sales showroom.

 

I agree with everything Neos2 said.

 

Also, I still think religious material used as an advert is still a solicitation. The problem is of course when does it change from being an item with limited religious connection, to just plain SPAM?

I think even Jeremy has said tracts are tossable,, and that geocaching should have no 'agenda'.

Read the rest of that first link...

Im not sure what the rest of the fist link you were referring to. That one that Jeremy wrote was an eye opener. It sounds a bit one sided to me. Only certain religious tracts are ok? Either allow them all or none.

I was referring to a religious item that he said was no big deal to leave.

Again, its about presentation. When an item is spewled out there as an ADVERTISEMENT, thats a problem. If you drop in rosary beeds, or a key chain that says 'jose cuervo' into a cache, few will care. If you stuff the box with dozens of tracts from a Church, a pile of menus from Big Bob's BBQ house, or a stack of coupons for toliet paper, then its crossing the line.

[+flask]

 

Again, its about presentation. When an item is spewled out there as an ADVERTISEMENT, thats a problem. If you drop in rosary beeds, or a key chain that says 'jose cuervo' into a cache, few will care. If you stuff the box with dozens of tracts from a Church, a pile of menus from Big Bob's BBQ house, or a stack of coupons for toliet paper, then its crossing the line.

 

yeah, the tricky bit is that the line is flexible and moves some. i think it's best to think about reasonable community standards rather than your own personal views. i'd throw out all the cigarette and alcohol promotional items first.

[+TrailGators]

 

The listing can't solicit. What's inside isn't covered other than food or dangerous items like knifes. Matches or lighters don't belong in caches.

Having the cache page put forth an agenda is certainly not acceptable, but caches can also solict if they have materials in them that are solicitous. I'd be a bit peevish if someone used my cache for their platform.

 

I have no objection to someone dropping off nice swag associated with a cause or an idea, be it a political campaign button, a nice piece of religious regalia or paraphernalia, or a pamphlet about saving the whales, but I don't particularly want anyone loading the box full of any one of those. Geocaching is supposed to be a fun, lighthearted, pastime, not a free sales showroom.

 

I agree with everything Neos2 said.

 

Also, I still think religious material used as an advert is still a solicitation. The problem is of course when does it change from being an item with limited religious connection, to just plain SPAM?

I think even Jeremy has said tracts are tossable,, and that geocaching should have no 'agenda'.

Read the rest of that first link...

Im not sure what the rest of the fist link you were referring to. That one that Jeremy wrote was an eye opener. It sounds a bit one sided to me. Only certain religious tracts are ok? Either allow them all or none.

I was referring to a religious item that he said was no big deal to leave.

Again, its about presentation. When an item is spewled out there as an ADVERTISEMENT, thats a problem. If you drop in rosary beeds, or a key chain that says 'jose cuervo' into a cache, few will care. If you stuff the box with dozens of tracts from a Church, a pile of menus from Big Bob's BBQ house, or a stack of coupons for toliet paper, then its crossing the line.

I agree with you.

[+Miragee]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

[+TrailGators]

the description of the dean video could less be characterized "liberal propaganda" than "wacky fan footage". i've met howard dean. talked to him. he's a down to earth guy; more conservative than you might suspect.

He might be more conservative if you are a socialist. It's all relative dude. It would have been really funny to open a cache and hear the Howard Dean shrieking sound!

uh, my family likes to consider ourselves "snelling republicans". dick and barbara snelling served as governor and lt. governor, respectively. i cried the day governor snelling ® died, bringing howard dean (d) into office.

 

it is a shame that dean's legacy is mostly reduced to that one scream, which was largely out of character and yet if you knew his work well, it represented a willingness to fight against heavy odds, to believe in the face of adversity. of course, if you didn't know his background and his work, he looked like a lunatic and it certainly changed his career.

 

dean attracted both conservative centrist and left-wing wacko voters. during his terms we got health insurance for low-income families and a balanced budget. that kind of sums up what he's about: decent standard of living for all citizens, and fiscal responsibility.

 

the devil is always in the details.

Like people buying beer and cigarettes with food stamps? How about able bodied people that refuse to work but collect free money? This was my experience of living four years in an urban area. Instead we have millions of illegals filling these jobs and this is allowed because they will vote for Dean's party in future elections. We are being sold out so a small minority of politicians can prosper. You are right the devil is in the details.

 

Back on topic: There was a recent debate about illegal immigration materials being put into a cache. The moderators said it was OK as long as the listing did not promote this. This makes sense because geocaching is a game. As far as the materials who would they really upset? Let's have some tolerance....

[+boda]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

That golf ball thing always bugs me. While looking for one of my first caches I walked up a small hill to GZ. On the way up I was suprised to see a golf ball laying on the ground. I picked it up; and, when we found the cache, I just put it in there in case someone wanted it. I don't do swag, so what do I know? The next finder happily took the ball. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

[+TrailGators]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

That golf ball thing always bugs me. While looking for one of my first caches I walked up a small hill to GZ. On the way up I was suprised to see a golf ball laying on the ground. I picked it up; and, when we found the cache, I just put it in there in case someone wanted it. I don't do swag, so what do I know? The next finder happily took the ball. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

"One man's garbage is another man's treasure." Garage sales prove that all the time. That's why I don't go to them and almost never trade swag.

[+flask]

Like people buying beer and cigarettes with food stamps? How about able bodied people that refuse to work but collect free money? This was my experience of living four years in an urban area. Instead we have millions of illegals filling these jobs and this is allowed because they will vote for Dean's party in future elections. We are being sold out so a small minority of politicians can prosper. You are right the devil is in the details.

 

As far as the materials who would they really upset? Let's have some tolerance....

 

you can't judge howard dean based on what other people did and what you think he might do. i'm basing my opinion on what he did do, and what he said about it to me and to others. you'd be more suited to comment on his work if you knew something about it. i'm willing to bet a significant portion of my grocery budget that unless you go look it up, you don't know anything about dean's gubernatorial record.

 

there's always going to be food stamp abuse as long as there are food stamps and shiftless poor people. there will always be graft at the pentagon as long as there are no-bid contracts and shiftless defense contractors. guess which costs the tax payer more? (and no, it isn't a problem specific to the current administration. anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of american history knows this.)

 

as for the materials, who would they really upset? they'd upset me. let's have some tolerance, and i'm not winking.

[Varmint]

kids are smarter than given credit...but why even argue about it in the first place? Follow the guidelines.

My dang kid made a TASER out of an old instant camera and shocked the VARMINT!

[+flask]

kids are smarter than given credit...but why even argue about it in the first place? Follow the guidelines.

My dang kid made a TASER out of an old instant camera and shocked the VARMINT!

 

your kid needs to be under CLOSE supervision. and maybe paid off, i don't know...

[+TrailGators]

Like people buying beer and cigarettes with food stamps? How about able bodied people that refuse to work but collect free money? This was my experience of living four years in an urban area. Instead we have millions of illegals filling these jobs and this is allowed because they will vote for Dean's party in future elections. We are being sold out so a small minority of politicians can prosper. You are right the devil is in the details.

 

As far as the materials who would they really upset? Let's have some tolerance....

 

you can't judge howard dean based on what other people did and what you think he might do. i'm basing my opinion on what he did do, and what he said about it to me and to others. you'd be more suited to comment on his work if you knew something about it. i'm willing to bet a significant portion of my grocery budget that unless you go look it up, you don't know anything about dean's gubernatorial record.

 

there's always going to be food stamp abuse as long as there are food stamps and shiftless poor people. there will always be graft at the pentagon as long as there are no-bid contracts and shiftless defense contractors. guess which costs the tax payer more? (and no, it isn't a problem specific to the current administration. anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of american history knows this.)

 

as for the materials, who would they really upset? they'd upset me. let's have some tolerance, and i'm not winking.

You should take this offline...

[+wordnerd]

I don't remove anything from a cache, even if it's totally wrong or inappropriate. If it gets to the point where a cache that was originally stock full of good stuff was, two years later when I found it, stuffed with nothing but trash and inappropriate items, I would simply log my find along with a note listing some of the items currently inside the cache. If the owner or anyone else wants to do something about it, they can. People [with children especially] can avoid the cache if it has something weird in it. It's not my place or business to remove anything. It's up to the cache owner to do that. I'm not going to ever see the cache again once I sign my name so I don't much care what's in it. If the cache belongs to someone whose caches I'd been to many times before, I might be nice enough to restock. But other than that, who am I to decide what's trash or inappropriate in someone else's cache?

 

As for noncaching children finding it, that's one of the tricks to hiding a cache, making sure NO ONE but cachers find it. If kids stumble across it, it's no different than if they stumbled across five cigarette stubs in a parking lot or a partially filled open can of beer in an alley. It happens.

[+plasmafamily]

Yesterday while out caching we found a condom (not used thankfully) and a cigerette in a cache which we promptly removed as we felt they were highly inappropriate. It was the first time we came across anything we felt to be objectionable in a cache and would absolutely do it again. IMHO leaving such items in a cache for the owner to remove is irresponsible as any number of people could find the cache before we even get a chance to log our visit, we have often found that other cachers have visited a cache on the same day as we have.

[Jackmerlin1]

I'm a kid and have never stumbled across a lighter

but your the same as my uncle he takes them out and puts less dangreous stuff

[Jackmerlin1]

kids are smarter than given credit...but why even argue about it in the first place? Follow the guidelines.

 

kids are smarter than given credit...but why even argue about it in the first place? Follow the guidelines.

Has anyone been arguing? My quick scan of the thread found almost every post to be a 'me, too'.

 

when...where? what's the link?

 

OOOps. Reading these posts, I just found out I shouldn't leave mints in the caches. Anyone object to lottery scratchoffs?

 

Oldguy1

what happens when its some one less clever and tryto injure some one what happens then

[+Harry Dolphin]

Gee. I thought that all butane lighters sold in the US are 'Childproof'. (But then again, sometimes the only way to open 'childproof' medicine bottles is to get a child to open it for you...)

[+DudleyGrunt]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

 

My son would be greatly disappointed. For some reason, he loves to find golf balls. Don't ask me. He's 10, though, and he gets a kick out of them.

 

DG

[+Knight2000]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

That golf ball thing always bugs me. While looking for one of my first caches I walked up a small hill to GZ. On the way up I was suprised to see a golf ball laying on the ground. I picked it up; and, when we found the cache, I just put it in there in case someone wanted it. I don't do swag, so what do I know? The next finder happily took the ball. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess.

Clean Golf ball = Good swag

Dirty Gold Ball = Bad swag

[+Cpt.Blackbeard]

Gee. I thought that all butane lighters sold in the US are 'Childproof'. (But then again, sometimes the only way to open 'childproof' medicine bottles is to get a child to open it for you...)

The Bic's I buy at Wal-Mart aren't childproof, just flick and they're lit.

Childproof is a misnomer anyway, our news station gave a bunch of preschoolers some childproof prescription bottles for a test. THey were stumped for a few minutes, then one little girl figured out the trick and showed the others, after that they all were able to open them.

[+simpjkee]

depends on the cache location i guess. a bic lighter or matches could be a life saver. I've read here in the forums where thirsty people thank previous cachers for putting water in caches. lighters are similar. so an urban cache prolly wouldnt be a good place for a lighter, but out in the forest a lighter is fine with me. it may save someone's life. ya know?

[+sbell111]

I would like used, dirty golf balls and Corian sample tiles to be added to the list of items that cannot be placed in caches.

 

I checked on two of my ammo cans this week and those items were in both of them . . . there was no decent swag left . . .

Is it wrong that I would like to find either of those in a cache? Both are great items, in my opinion.

 

I make geocaches out of golf balls and my wife has made pens out of corian scraps.

[magellan315]

depends on the cache location i guess. a bic lighter or matches could be a life saver. I've read here in the forums where thirsty people thank previous cachers for putting water in caches. lighters are similar. so an urban cache prolly wouldnt be a good place for a lighter, but out in the forest a lighter is fine with me. it may save someone's life. ya know?

 

Sorry, just like knives, no lighters or matches, no exceptions. Link

Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache.