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The wife and I ran into an interesting situation in the past few days. We normally photograph and document our finds when we go out and about. When she's done she scrapbooks the entire thing on a page with all of her stuff and photo's. Normally we just used the 'print it yourself' station at the store. A few days ago we opted to let the photo lab do it in an hour since it would be cheaper. First thing that was odd when we went to pick them up the lab lady said, "Ohh your the people hiding tube's." My wife responded that we were geocachers and the photo lab lady didn't seem to have either heard it or didn't understand. The second odd thing was when we left and looked over the pictures they were completely out of order. We ended up dismissing it until I read an article in a magazine I just got from the post office Popular Photography. The article's main premise was about how you could get arrested or worse for what you photograph due to some 'dudly doright citizen' working in a photo lab.

 

That's when it clicked.

 

The article talked about local law enforcement and even the FBI has told large photo labs if they see photo's of anything they deem suspicious to send them copies and notify them right away. I began thinking pictures of odd folks in odd places with odd containers seems downright weird to those unaware of us. Some of our photos had pictures with containers like camo painted pipe and such. Now I'm pondering our fate given the dudly doright photo lab people we have. Once they had me sign paperwork to the effect I didn't steal a photo I had taken for a wedding. I do amateur photography.

 

Do any of you do something similar? Do you have the same concerns in light of recent events of whackjobs doing crazy carp and making videos and photo's?

 

We're for one seriously considering purchasing a Dye-sub printer for making our own prints.

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S-I-L-E-N-Y J-I-Z-D-A

 

 

That last part sounds like Jihad. Is that some sort of code to coordinate with your fellow geo-terrorists to detonate those tubes? :D:cry:

 

 

Perfectly normal paranoia in light of recent events. <_<

 

 

HEY! B) What was that noise? B)

 

 

Once they had me sign paperwork to the effect I didn't steal a photo I had taken for a wedding. I do amateur photography.

 

 

Can you esplain that part? I don't get it....

 

 

I do digital photography, but I recently turned in 4 waterproof cameras from my honeymoon. The lab people wanted to know why the heck we were swimming with stingrays in light of recent events. With a straight face, I told 'em it's perfectly safe to handle a stingray as long as you don't fiddle with their privates. They nodded knowingly, so I'm guessing they were both Carlos Mencia fans..... <_<:D:D

 

 

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I worked for ten years in photofinishing. Of all the millions of pictures that passed in front of me there were only a handful (all from one roll) that we turned over to the Sheriff's Dept (if you're curious, it was kiddie porn, and yes, they hauled him off). I saw all kinds of strange and interesting and downright deviant things (this was pre-digital photography). But there's a distinct difference between strange and illegal. Trust me, I can't imagine a photo lab that wants the trouble of getting involved with an accusation against a customer. It would mostly provide the potential to ruin their business. I'd print out one of the "what is Geocaching" flyers and leave it with your next order.

 

DCC

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Go digital and home printing.

 

What a relief to be unschackled from the photo labs.

 

:grin:

 

AMEN my friend.Computers/internet is quite the double edged sword,the greatest achievment of modern man is without a doubt the digital camera.No more driving to the store,having folks thumb through your business,film,messed up pictures,nothing.

 

Mankind's greatest achivement..... :laughing: The best part is I don't like the pic I just took I can delete and re take.God bles the digital camera,and forget about the photo developers.I'm TRULY done with them.

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I understand exactly what the OP is concerned about. I have actually had my photos stolen by a Wally World photo processing employee when I was a concert photographer. Normally I wouldn't use them but I needed the prints quickly. When I looked through the shots I discovered I had SET 2 when I only ordered singles. I have also had processors refuse to print wedding and concert photos because a 'pro' took them. In my opinion these folks should mind their own business.

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It looks like some photofinishers are all too happy to give up the activities of their customers to Big Brother while those like librarians would rather risk jail time to stand firm for our privacy.

 

Personally, I wouldn't take my film to a big box processor if I wasn't sure of the content and if it was the least bit valuable to me--the risk is too high. You never know if your film is going to be used as a training run. Prints you can re-do. Processing the film you can't. When I do use them for whatever reason, I get process-only and not cut. I'll handle the rest.

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Not sure I understand what you are worried about.

 

Geocaching isn't illegal. If you are hiding caches with permission, doesn't really matter who they tell about it, just more people to introduce to geocaching.

 

course, it's really early so I'm probably missing a piece here since I'm not awake yet.

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course, it's really early so I'm probably missing a piece here since I'm not awake yet.

I certainly wouldn't want to grab the attention of some agency which is fast and loose with The Constitution. You might not get thrown under the cell at Guantanamo and even if you are cleared you'll still have record and pop up in searches. That's not to mention the scrutiny that could be leveled at you. Maybe your case gets handed to some young hot-shot who "just wants to make sure" and comes to your house with a warrant. Maybe the case gets the attention of some politician who wants her name on a bill. The point is you never know where it will stop once someone gets a hold of it.

 

Folks have been innocent and proven innocent in a court of law yet that has no bearing on the legal bills and ordeal that crush their lives.

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You have nothing to be afraid of...what you are doing is perfectly legal and federal LEO's are well aware of geocaching (I have two friends that work in the FBI and they get occassional geocache's reported). What I would do, if it were me, is have a polite conversation with the owner or manager she reports to. Not to get her in trouble or fired, but to inform them so that they are aware. Also, it would be a good idea to mention her comment...as a former manager I wouldn't want an employee making some smart butt comment to someone if I had even a remote thought there were doing something illegal. The last thing you need is a gun pulled in a store.

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I understand exactly what the OP is concerned about. I have actually had my photos stolen by a Wally World photo processing employee when I was a concert photographer. Normally I wouldn't use them but I needed the prints quickly. When I looked through the shots I discovered I had SET 2 when I only ordered singles.
As a former photo lab manager, I'd hope you'd come talk to me about such an event. I had an employee who did something similar, when it was brought to my attention, I made sure the customer was compensated for their trouble and that it'd never happen again. (Buh-bye photo thief!)
I have also had processors refuse to print wedding and concert photos because a 'pro' took them. In my opinion these folks should mind their own business.
Umm... that is their business. Literally. Do you know what the penalties are for copyright infringement? It's HUGE. I don't remember the numbers, but I remember when I heard the federal penalties for selling (and that's what the photo lab is doing) someone else's copyrighted material my first impression was "I'd be better off getting caught driving drunk!" Big fines, big jail time, and it's a federal offense on your record. Most pros I dealt with while in the lab were actually thankful when I made them jump through the hoops because it meant I was protecting their work and their livelihood.
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It looks like some photofinishers are all too happy to give up the activities of their customers to Big Brother while those like librarians would rather risk jail time to stand firm for our privacy.

 

Some librarians will even risk jail time to protect the 10 year old's right to view pornography on the library computer or to display penile sculptures in their libraries. True heroes.

 

Folks have been innocent and proven innocent in a court of law yet that has no bearing on the legal bills and ordeal that crush their lives.

 

No one is proven innocent in a court of law. Only not proven guilty. There is a difference.

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It looks like some photofinishers are all too happy to give up the activities of their customers to Big Brother while those like librarians would rather risk jail time to stand firm for our privacy.

 

 

Nothing new. Photo labs have been turning over evidence of criminality to the police for many years (kiddy porn, etc..). I would hope if they ran into evidence of criminal activity or possible criminal activity they would do so.

 

The planned terrorst attack on Ft Dix was just thwarted by a tecnician who was copying a videotape to a DVD and saw something that concerned him. Who knows, he could have saved my family's life. We have several soccer tournaments schedueld at Ft Dix over the next few months.

 

I guess in the interest of privacy he should have ignored it?

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The planned terrorst attack on Ft Dix was just thwarted by a tecnician who was copying a videotape to a DVD and saw something that concerned him. Who knows, he could have saved my family's life. We have several soccer tournaments schedueld at Ft Dix over the next few months.

I guess in the interest of privacy he should have ignored it?

Excellent point. Thankfully, I never ran into a "reportable" photo, and in my lab there were policies in place where if someone developing the film thought something was reportable, it would be brought to my attention, then to my supervisor, who would make the report. This kept individual people from making a determination based on their own values and causing a ruckus for customers who hadn't actually done anything wrong, just maybe slightly... questionable.

Worst ever broght to my attention? Let's just say it involved two men in leotards and a horse... :laughing:

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However, the point still stands. Would the bills and fallout be any different because of the semantics?

 

I think you're greatly overexagerrating. I have two personal friends that work for the FBI. One of them has himself been involved in investigating instances which turned out to be geocache reports. Once the incident was confirmed the investigation was dropped.

 

People should have the right to report potential criminal activity. Ones perceived rights to privacy do not supercede the rights to protecting the wellfare of the public. If you take cache pictures into a developer and they feel they look incriminating then let the chips fall where they may, but this scenario has already run it's course at the federal level numerous times and no one in GITMO is there for geocaching...so, no your point doesn't really stand to reason.

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No one is proven innocent in a court of law. Only not proven guilty. There is a difference.
Granted. I mis-spoke.

However, the point still stands. Would the bills and fallout be any different because of the semantics?

Bad CRC makes a good point.
Geocaching isn't illegal. If you are hiding caches with permission, doesn't really matter who they tell about it...
If you aren't doing something illegal, who's going to prosecute? The bills go both ways, the local DA can't afford (monetarily, time-wise, or politically) to go chasing cases that have no basis. Just make sure you aren't posing with the cache in front of the giant "Trespassers Will Be Prosecuted" signs and you'll be all set. :laughing:
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Nothing new. Photo labs have been turning over evidence of criminality to the police for many years (kiddy porn, etc..). I would hope if they ran into evidence of criminal activity or possible criminal activity they would do so.
Evidence of criminal activity is worlds different than suspicious activity.

 

I've been a victim of being fingered as suspicious. Got the "pleasure" of being hauled away in handcuffs in front of friends because someone thought I was dealing drugs. Should have seen the faces of the officer and finger pointer when the "evidence" was produced. Just because the allegations were unfounded didn't reduce the embarrassment. I didn't even get an apology or explanation--it's was on a military installation with contract security.

 

I guess in the interest of privacy he should have ignored it?
I'm reminded of a certain quote about freedom and security. Would you rather live in a police state where you are always safe?

 

Also, I'm quote amazed at the 100% success rate of thwarting all domestic attacks since 9/11 considering the number of "near misses" that are reported. Maybe they should apply this to our campuses?

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If you aren't doing something illegal, who's going to prosecute?

Prosecution is not what I'm worried about. Unwanted attention is what I'm worried about. Persecution is more along the lines what I'm worried about. None of us need someone out there that thinks "there should be something done about these geo-thingies." Reporters making comments like "get a life" or bomb squad leaders commenting that we should find a different hobby is the fallout of doing something is not illegal.

 

It doesn't matter that we're perfectly within our rights. What matters is the perception that we're causing too much manpower and monies to be wasted on false alarms because we are acting "suspicious."

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If everybody goes digital, what am I going to use for cache containers? :laughing:

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...... First thing that was odd when we went to pick them up the lab lady said, "Ohh your the people hiding tube's." My wife responded that we were geocachers and the photo lab lady didn't seem to have either heard it or didn't understand. The second odd thing was when we left and looked over the pictures they were completely out of order. We ended up dismissing it until I read an article in a magazine I just got from the post office Popular Photography. The article's main premise was about how you could get arrested or worse for what you photograph due to some 'dudly doright citizen' working in a photo lab. ....

 

 

Just slip a micro in with your film the next time you get it processed there and see if they log it.

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I completely agree with CoyoteRed.

 

At the very least, I would never, ever return to that photo lab.

 

I am so thankful that I replaced my old film camera with a good digital. It is so much more convenient, if not cheaper.

 

Yep. I thought photo labs went away around 1999? My pictures sit on my hard drive until I clean them out. (I'm not a very good photographer...)

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If you aren't doing something illegal, who's going to prosecute?

Prosecution is not what I'm worried about...

Aside from the fact that in your earlier posts you seemed to be worried about the bills associated with being prosecuted...
However, the point still stands. Would the bills and fallout be any different because of the semantics?
... I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post. I think a better route to a solution lies along the path of encouraging good hiding/seeking practices rather than following the route of worrying about overzealous photo jocks, though.
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Yep. I thought photo labs went away around 1999? My pictures sit on my hard drive until I clean them out. (I'm not a very good photographer...)
Until HP, Canon, or whoever comes up with a cheaper way to get a quality print that doesn't run, the One Hour Photo Labs'll still be in business. Once Dye-Sub printing comes into line with a 24 cent 4X6, they are doomed... :laughing:
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I'm reminded of a certain quote about freedom and security. Would you rather live in a police state where you are always safe?

 

Nobody is talking about a police state. We're talking about reporting suspicious activity and letting the professionals investigate. If someone takes a photo of a the steps necessary to build a PVC pipe cache and some film developer sees it, he isn't qualified to determine if it's a bomb being built or a geocache. Let the

experts decide.

 

That's what the police do, investigate suspicous activity. If you're walking down the street at night peeking into cars and innocently checking out the car interiors to help decide on a new car, I would hope that the police would stop you and ask questions. Otherwise they are not doing what they are paid to do.

 

Sure mistakes happen. I had a firiend who was arrested in a supermarket pharmacy and hauld away in cuffs because the Dr accidently used the wrong prescription pad. He was released after a call to the Dr's office straightened things out. Even in the your case, you didn't disappear never to be heard from again. You weren't falsely prosecuted. You were let go when everything checked out. Live in a real police state for a while before you start equating reasonable vigilance with a police state.

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It's not some much that they looked, you know they always look. What seems strange is that someone said something to you about the content of your photos. That was a bit unprofessional.

Exactly. That was EXTREMELY unprofessional, in my book, and once I had learned that fact from the clerk, I would have stood my ground right there and demanded to see the store manager immediately.

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If you aren't doing something illegal, who's going to prosecute?

Prosecution is not what I'm worried about...

Aside from the fact that in your earlier posts you seemed to be worried about the bills associated with being prosecuted...
However, the point still stands. Would the bills and fallout be any different because of the semantics?
... I agree wholeheartedly with the rest of your post. I think a better route to a solution lies along the path of encouraging good hiding/seeking practices rather than following the route of worrying about overzealous photo jocks, though.

What does this thread have to do with 'good hiding/seeking practices'?

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What does this thread have to do with 'good hiding/seeking practices'?

 

I think part of the problem is the issue has been greatly confounded in the thread.

 

I think he is partially referring to deeper concerns brought up my CR regarding everything from legislation against geocaching to being thrown into GITMO for suspicious activities. I think that's blowing things out of proportion myself.

 

I think the crux of the issue the OP posted has been nailed on the head by briansnat. People have a right to report suspect pictures when processing photos.

 

I think the more grand questions and concerns that have been brought up have a degree of legitimacy, but again...I think have been blown out of proportion by some people. I think that is where 'good hiding/seeking practices' comes into play.

 

Avoiding the excessive, unnecessary attention to geocaching can be largely obtained by self-governing. I think the success geocaching has had in this regard is largely due to the process that is currently in place and these types of practices going forward will help ensure that.

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To the poster up tops that asked about them having me sign paperwork in a previous incident. I was a photographer for a friends wedding. I use all digital for what I take. I also use Photoshop and have a decent eye for image composure. They assumed because I looked like an average hillbilly I must not be able to photograph work a rip. As a result they copied and filed all the photos and I had to sign a release that verified I was the original artist. They said if someone came up they would have me saying I took them when some other crack would try to take credit.

 

Right now we're not all that comfortable taking our stuff to the lab anymore. One of the reasons we took them in is that we don't have a dye sub printer at the moment and never really thought we would need one. The average cost of dye-sub is around 29 cents a print. Our photo lab in Wal Mart charges 14 cents a print. A might bit less expensive. However, with this last bit of stuff from them we're inclined to buy a dye-sub and print our own given the dudly dorighters in our lab.

 

It's not a matter of tin foil hats when your processor, in front of her manager, makes these types of unsettling comments. It's a matter of over-zealous photo lab employees turning people in for otherwise innocent activities. At the end of the day they still haul you off in shiny metal cuffs and you have to go through and prove you're innocent. After reading the article I mentioned in my first post it seriously concerns me given the nature of what geocahers do. After all we go in the middle of nowhere and in populated places hiding stuff. I know it's leagal I don't worry about that. It's the people that are wearing the tin foil hats afraid there is a terrorist behind every corner.

 

As for my geocaching name.... It's Czech for Crazy Horse. It can also mean Crazy Ride. It all comes down to the translation of it. :laughing:

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It's not a matter of tin foil hats when your processor, in front of her manager, makes these types of unsettling comments. It's a matter of over-zealous photo lab employees turning people in for otherwise innocent activities. At the end of the day they still haul you off in shiny metal cuffs and you have to go through and prove you're innocent.

 

This is why I'd pursue going up the ladder until I got some management that was willing to listen. Exclude the nature of the photos for a moment...the fact is most places of business with any integrity don't want this kind of attitude reflecting their business.

 

Your concerns are valid. I don't think the tinfoil hat comment was directed at you directly necessarily. However, by the same token, you aren't going to simply be cuffed and hauled in over this incident. Worst case you'll get reported and have to answer some questions. LEO's that would handle these types of reports are largely well aware of geocaching.

 

We take photos in all the time of geocaching....never had an issue.

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I think the crux of the issue the OP posted has been nailed on the head by briansnat. People have a right to report suspect pictures when processing photos.

 

 

Actually, in some cases, such as kiddie porn, you are required by law to report it or the lab, its owner and employees can be prosecuted as well. At least that was the law here in California when I took a class with the Sheriff's Dept. around 1990.

 

Despite what everyone seems to think, photo lab employees aren't eager to report anyone. This is the same kind of rhetoric we heard when I was working in the industry from parents who thought if they brought in photos of their kid in the bathtub, we'd have them arrested.

 

Like I said above, I may have handled millions of photos in my photofinishing career. Every once in a while we'd stop, look and think "ok... that's a little freaky, but it's none of our business". There were only 4 photos I ever saw that merited calling the boss and having him make the call on what we should do. I'm glad to say that as a staff, we were all in agreement on what should be done, and did it.

 

You can't imagine how weird the average (and harmless) roll of photos can look without the story of what's going on. If we reported everything weird we saw, we'd never get anything done.

 

DCC

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Your concerns are valid. I don't think the tinfoil hat comment was directed at you directly necessarily. However, by the same token, you aren't going to simply be cuffed and hauled in over this incident. Worst case you'll get reported and have to answer some questions. LEO's that would handle these types of reports are largely well aware of geocaching.

 

We take photos in all the time of geocaching....never had an issue.

 

Here in the past few weeks in our county though we've had several bomb threats made and threats made against students al la WV. Granted, I'm not looking out the window every five minutes for the squad but I do think I should err on the side of caution and just print my own from now on. At this point in my life the last thing I need is jail time over a scrap book. I'd much rather explain my actions in field looking for a cache to an officer than doing so over some photos they may think is questionable. The only one I found in the lot that I would have deemed odd or out of place to have any concern over was the PVC tube cache in the Wilderness Center here in Ohio. Thankfully though, Wilderness Center and Geocache are on the tube and visible.

 

I do recommend picking up the June copy of Popular Photography & Imaging. The have an article about some overzealous photo lab employees and law enforcement officials. Granted things like that don't happen everyday but there is the possibility. :laughing:

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Here in the past few weeks in our county though we've had several bomb threats made and threats made against students al la WV. Granted, I'm not looking out the window every five minutes for the squad but I do think I should err on the side of caution and just print my own from now on. At this point in my life the last thing I need is jail time over a scrap book. I'd much rather explain my actions in field looking for a cache to an officer than doing so over some photos they may think is questionable. The only one I found in the lot that I would have deemed odd or out of place to have any concern over was the PVC tube cache in the Wilderness Center here in Ohio. Thankfully though, Wilderness Center and Geocache are on the tube and visible.

 

I do recommend picking up the June copy of Popular Photography & Imaging. The have an article about some overzealous photo lab employees and law enforcement officials. Granted things like that don't happen everyday but there is the possibility. :laughing:

 

Ok, fair enough...you're entitled to your opinion. I think that's a bit overcautious, but it's certainly your perogative.

 

I just find it ironic that on one hand you have a high regard and concern for what overzealous lab employees may perceive yet you'll march right out in broad daylight where potential overzealous Muggles may report you. :grin:

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Here in the past few weeks in our county though we've had several bomb threats made and threats made against students al la WV. Granted, I'm not looking out the window every five minutes for the squad but I do think I should err on the side of caution and just print my own from now on. At this point in my life the last thing I need is jail time over a scrap book. I'd much rather explain my actions in field looking for a cache to an officer than doing so over some photos they may think is questionable. The only one I found in the lot that I would have deemed odd or out of place to have any concern over was the PVC tube cache in the Wilderness Center here in Ohio. Thankfully though, Wilderness Center and Geocache are on the tube and visible.

 

I do recommend picking up the June copy of Popular Photography & Imaging. The have an article about some overzealous photo lab employees and law enforcement officials. Granted things like that don't happen everyday but there is the possibility. :laughing:

 

Ok, fair enough...you're entitled to your opinion. I think that's a bit overcautious, but it's certainly your perogative.

 

I just find it ironic that on one hand you have a high regard and concern for what overzealous lab employees may perceive yet you'll march right out in broad daylight where potential overzealous Muggles may report you. :grin:

As someone mentioned in a previous post, it's one thing to explain what you're doing to a curious LEO and another to wait until they've had time to review a picture and make an incorrect assumption of what you're doing. It is much easier to explain away one's actions before the other party has made up their mind.

 

Just look at the SC issue. The pictures that were used against the game showed completely harmless activity, but it was spun to make us all appear evil. Once minds are made up, it takes a ton of effort to change them.

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As someone mentioned in a previous post, it's one thing to explain what you're doing to a curious LEO and another to wait until they've had time to review a picture and make an incorrect assumption of what you're doing. It is much easier to explain away one's actions before the other party has made up their mind.

 

Ok, I can see that, but let's be realistic here...LEO's can be just as overzealous as anyone. I've witnessed this firsthand. There is just as much chance of you getting cuffed and stuffed when confronted by a LEO as there is over a report from a photo lab tech.

 

Just look at the SC issue. The pictures that were used against the game showed completely harmless activity, but it was spun to make us all appear evil. Once minds are made up, it takes a ton of effort to change them.

 

The point remains...you are just as likely to get reported by a Muggle out caching as you are dropping off photos at the local Drugmart. There is no guarantee associated with either case that you are not going to get questioned and perhaps so in the Clinton County Courtesy Shuttle...or whatever LEO might have stopped you.

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As someone mentioned in a previous post, it's one thing to explain what you're doing to a curious LEO and another to wait until they've had time to review a picture and make an incorrect assumption of what you're doing. It is much easier to explain away one's actions before the other party has made up their mind.

 

Ok, I can see that, but let's be realistic here...LEO's can be just as overzealous as anyone. I've witnessed this firsthand. There is just as much chance of you getting cuffed and stuffed when confronted by a LEO as there is over a report from a photo lab tech.

 

Just look at the SC issue. The pictures that were used against the game showed completely harmless activity, but it was spun to make us all appear evil. Once minds are made up, it takes a ton of effort to change them.

 

The point remains...you are just as likely to get reported by a Muggle out caching as you are dropping off photos at the local Drugmart. There is no guarantee associated with either case that you are not going to get questioned and perhaps so in the Clinton County Courtesy Shuttle...or whatever LEO might have stopped you.

I agree with you. There is certainly no guarantee. However, I prefer to make my case before the LEO has made up his mind. Edited by sbell111
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I agree with you. There is certainly no guarantee. However, I prefer to make my case before the LEO has made up his mind.

 

Yeah, and like I said I don't mean to be critical of their stance in any way, it's just interesting to me that people have an extremely high sensitivity about dropping off photos of caching but seemingly not any worries about actually caching and answering to LEO's.

 

Just one of the many way we all think differently. :laughing:

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I agree with you. There is certainly no guarantee. However, I prefer to make my case before the LEO has made up his mind.

 

Yeah, and like I said I don't mean to be critical of their stance in any way, it's just interesting to me that people have an extremely high sensitivity about dropping off photos of caching but seemingly not any worries about actually caching and answering to LEO's.

 

Just one of the many way we all think differently. :laughing:

We're all a bit complicated, that way. :grin:

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So, I didn't come right out and say this in my earlier post and I probably should have.

 

The odds of having a photo lab from a major company report your "suspicious" geocaching pics are slim to nil.

 

Why do I say this? The bigger companies have procedures in place to filter such reports up a couple levels before they go to LEOs. This is to prevent some hotheaded newbie behind the printer from getting the company sued when they wrongfully accuse a customer of doing something illegal.

 

The first filter is the Lab Manager (formerly me) who looks at the pics with this question: "Is what I see illegal? Can you get arrested for doing this on Main Street?" If they think the answer is yes, they pass it on up the line to their boss, who asks the same questions. If the answer is "Yes, dummy, it is child porn" or "Ohmygosh! The guy with the knife to his throat was found decapitated behind the school yesterday!" then it gets reported. If the answer is "Yes, you can't smoke pot on Main Street" or something similar, it is likely to get discarded. Quiet inquiries may be made at that level as to what should be done, but it is likely to die right there.

 

What happens if this system breaks down and you get reported?

 

Frankly, you're more likely to get cuffed'n'stuffed by Officer Bob finding you holding a suspicious looking cache than you are by Photo Joe reporting seeing a pick of you holding said cache, because even if Photo Joe, his boss, and his boss's boss decide to send the snapshot on to Officer Bob, it is likely that Officer Bob'll ask around the department before he tries to track you down. Someone'll have heard of geocaching along the line, and if not, he's at least got to ask you questions before he can whip out the cuffs when he meets you on your porch. When he finds you out in the woods holding the cache that looks like a pipe bomb and you say "No, look, it's just a geocache, let me open it for you!" he'd be justified to think you were trying to set off the bomb & kill you both. Can you say "Forget the handcuffs, get your gun!"? :laughing:

 

Having a photo in hand inherently gives everyone time to think before they act. A picture is a lot less threatening than actually seeing an event. :grin:

 

All that said, I agree, the comments from the person at the counter were uncalled for. In my lab, I expressly told each of my associates to say nothing, not even "Congratulations on the new baby!" if they saw baby pics. Just wasn't worth the hassle of having someone upset that their pics got looked at... :grin:

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Out in the field I typically carry either the cards, the brochures, or both. When I went to go get my pictures developed I didn't. While I have yet to be questioned by law enforcement I have been questioned by some well meaning individuals. To which I explained, showed, and even got some interest in geocaching. The guys, or in this case gals, at the lab have seemed overly cautious about other things in the past. Not just the wedding photos or the cache photo's. I have to admit people do seem cautious in this area. I can't count the number of 'suspicious vehicles' or 'suspicious activity' reports in the local paper every week. LOL Too many old ladies watching daytime soaps and court shows I spose with that one. Typically we do our caching during hours that we expect to run into the least amount of people though as well.

 

I may have a few more developed just to see if they say something again. I'll just remember to have a few cards or brochure on hand. :laughing:

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I'll chime in from a cop's perspective:

If a photo lab provided me with a photo showing you holding a bloody knife and a severed head, you would not get "cuffed & stuffed". Arresting someone requires that I have probable cause that you committed a crime. You, holding an ammo can out in the woods does not equal probable cause. If I was handed a suspicious photo, (assuming I had some way of finding you), I would introduce myself, explain my purpose in speaking with you, and ask, "Wazzup?".

 

If you told me to go pound sand, I would leave, unless the photo was suspicious enough for me to obtain a warrant.

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I may have a few more developed just to see if they say something again. I'll just remember to have a few cards or brochure on hand. :o

 

Casually pull out your cell phone and pretend to tell Rahib to meet you at the designated spot at midnight... :o

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