GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Hi all, Real quick question: We're not "supposed" to dig holes to bury caches, yet many do. Whether it be a partial hole to begin with, or even none, some folks have neatly "burrowed" a spot for their cache. I'm not here to be the "ethics" police on that - I'm just as glad to find a cache no matter where it is! But I wanted to place some caches along the beach - but what are the "rules" on burying them here? I'm hip to what a metal detector can do (we've got a nice Garret, ourselves!) and I know a conventional cache with anything metal would be nabbed by the first "metal detector" guy out scanning the beach. So, my cache would be "non-metallic" (probably some nice books and childrens toys - and CDs if they don't "register"). Here's my "dilemma:" I don't want to place some cool caches that are in violation of posting the coords here. Meaning, is burying something at the beach just a little bit different than burrowing a tunnel in the forest? Considering that most things end up getting buried anyway, couldn't I give it a "jump start?" I can't just "leave it there" and wait for the wind to cover it with sand. So, what say you? Is burying something at the beach a criminal act in the eyes of the GeoStaff? I think the "digging holes" rule would be a little far-fetched in this case, but before I go loading up loot, I want to make sure it won't be "dis"appreciated. Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
0x284C Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Given the 20' - 40' GPS accuracy range, how would you ever find the cache if it was burried? Quote Link to comment
Dinoprophet Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I know of at least one buried-on-a-beach cache. Found many times. The best approach to finding them seems to be a heavy probe of some kind. Now cache away, cache away, cache away all! Quote Link to comment
Buttons Brigade Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by 0x284C:Given the 20' - 40' GPS accuracy range, how would you ever find the cache if it was burried? Dig a really big hole! Opinions based on experiences with eTrex Vista... Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 It could be gone in the first storm. And, I believe that would be, uh, TOMORROW! (If you live around the east.) Tides vary, wind blows, sand is very unstable. I used to live near this place called Midnight Pass in Florida. It was a break between 2 keys. It's gone now, filled in by a storm, closed it right up. Go north to Block Island, RI. Last year, this huge rock on the beach was taller than me. This year, it's waist high, and the beach is much sandier. It's not a good idea if you want a long lasting cache. Also you may think you know right where you put it but try to find it again if it's buried, you could be digging a while, in circles. You could pass right over it and it could be a foot deeper than you thought. Find a better spot a tad more inland, I would recommend. I'm adding to my post here, I guess if it's a sheltered area without too much weather the terrain won't change that much, but be careful where you put them in dunes, they are fragile habitats. Cache you later, Planet Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right, But Three Lefts Do. [This message was edited by Planet on December 04, 2002 at 06:43 PM.] Quote Link to comment
Hairy Little Dwarf Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I have plans for a buried sand dune cache, but it will be immediately adjacent to an exposed rock, which will be the only obvious landmark within the GPS range of error. Won't be deeper than 6" and hints are likely to be given as to the nature of where to look. It's in a sheltered area so wind exposure isn't a problem, and normal pedestrian traffic will be nil so accidental finds should be nil. But to bury one in the middle of an anonymous expanse of sand would be a little silly, I think. Ah well...back to work. Quote Link to comment
+BrentC & Pam Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by HairyLittleDwarf:I have plans for a buried sand dune cache, but it will be immediately adjacent to an exposed rock, which will be the only obvious landmark within the GPS range of error. Hey HD Take a trip to Dunedin and try http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=177 Donovan loves to really hide his caches - his hints help. Ciao, Brent Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I think they allow caches buried in the sand. There are a number of them out there. Burying a cache in the sand isn't much different than burying a cache under leaves, or sticks. Quote Link to comment
GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 4, 2002 Author Share Posted December 4, 2002 Just wanted to make sure that it's not totally unheard of. I'm not sure about the east coast beaches, but we've plenty around here which have some awesome places to hide a cache, and only a freak storm might ruin it, and that's a big maybe, at that. I don't know that I'd hide it "in the middle of nowhere" on a beach, although my GPS has put me right on top of plenty of caches, and with a couple of kids, it wouldn't take long to find one there, anyhow. I'm not suggesting one bury it halfway to China, and one person here hit it right on the nail - use a stick. It should be no problem, and one would spend far more time taking a one hour hike and then having to go bush-whacking. Anyway, that's great to hear. There's a lot of pillars and such, and places under the boardwalk, etc. I think the key is to not bury it too aggressively. Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
team bubbletree Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I have one buried in an orchard and I placed a small fake tree on top of it. It looks just fake enough to make you get it after you walk around it a couple times. Buried yes unfindable no. Quote Link to comment
Cape Cod Cacher Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 I have a cache in a place that is an old cranberry bog and the adjacent sand pits... Hiding something under ground isn't a problem to me, as the locale ( not a ) vegitation will suck up in a year. or 50, or 100... I remember the 'BAD' old days when finding bottle dumps was a good thing, and an arrow head was a great find. Quote Link to comment
+trippy1976 Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 You can send to the contact email ahead of time and ping the approvers. I think you'd probably get an okay for something on a beach setting. The issue I think is more along the lines of digging holes out where park rangers definitely do NOT want holes Everyone plays at the beach. I found one and the way they did it is they send you to the coordinates and you look for two spots along the pier. Then you run a 5 foot string in an arc, using each point as the center of the string's circle. Where the two arcs intercepted was where the cache was buried. Kinda cool. -------- trippy1976 - Team KKF2A Saving geocaches - one golf ball at a time. Quote Link to comment
GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 4, 2002 Author Share Posted December 4, 2002 Trippy, what a great idea! We've got some permanent volleyball nets up in Santa Cruz, and I'm sure I could base something off one of the poles. Another "not too hard" cache would be one along a cement wall, like in Capitola. It's a storm break for a "just in case," which doesn't happen often. I'm sure the cache would have the same "life expectancy" most caches have, and I could even give it a "time out" by temporarily removing it with warning of a big storm that might threaten it. I'm definitely going to try one... I just have to find a not-so-active beach, and decide what to stock a beach cache with. I was thinking maybe some books on identifying the coastal birds, maybe one sea-life, etc. The hardest caches have the best prizes, and this will be one for the true hunter, so I'm not just gonna "give it away." Maybe some easier ones with "spot locaters," but not this one. I'll have to run my metal detector over my CDs and see if they "pick up." If not, I can do some relatively "easy" ones stocked with music. But the books are gonna have to be "poked for." There's enough "easies" around here! Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
Rubbertoe Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Planet:It could be gone in the first storm. And, I believe that would be, uh, TOMORROW! (If you live around the east.) Tides vary, wind blows, sand is very unstable. Well, there is a cache which appears to be buried on the beach - although nowhere near the water, and it seems to be doing pretty good. I think this kind of "buried" cache is okay - although I'd think it'd be hard to spot without some sort of identifying marker nearby, like this one has. Just wanted to post an example that shows it has been done, with some success. Click to view the ToeCam Quote Link to comment
GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 4, 2002 Author Share Posted December 4, 2002 There ya have it, Rubbertoe! What a great example. It's working well. We love to drive to the beach, and now we'll have a mission! I think I'll do a few easy ones, and then go for the "big hide." Books on the beach! Thanks everybody! I wasn't too sure and wanted to see if this had been passed by the powers that be. Of course I'll be sensitive to vegitation, dunes, etc. My biggest concern is keeping metal objects OUT because the "metal detector army" would find it within one week... guaranteed. Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
+Marky Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Grandmaster Cache, nice to see a new "local area" cacher. I look forward to finding your caches. We have one over your way, Ocean View. (This assumes you are on the SC side of the hill.) --Marky "Everyone spends time in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer with a backlit GPSr" Quote Link to comment
+Zartimus Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Had a cache here initially named "Buried treasure", but the caching gods deemed the name evil and he changed it to hidden treasure. In any event it is simply pressed into the ground like so... Another semi-burrowed cache around here is Tick's Birthday Cache by Tick and Nammie. This sucker is HUGE and was initially above-ground but then they came up with the great idea of burrowing it but leaving a string from the lid tied to a nearby tree. This is hard as hell to spot! The thing is massive... "Software isn't released, it's allowed to escape." Quote Link to comment
GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 5, 2002 Author Share Posted December 5, 2002 I could TOTALLY go caching with someone crazy enough to dress like Batman. That's cool. Gotta give a shot out to individuality, huh? I probably look like a mercenary going out on our caches, myself! On that first pic, the shoe-tips had me confused, at first. At first, I thought: LAND MINE!!! Dang, is that a REFLECTION I see in those tips? Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
mortonfox Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 quote:Originally posted by GRANDMASTER CACHE:I could TOTALLY go caching with someone crazy enough to dress like Batman. That's cool. Gotta give a Yes, but would you go as Robin? Quote Link to comment
GRANDMASTER CACHE Posted December 5, 2002 Author Share Posted December 5, 2002 Not in MY neck of the woods! Well, maybe if Lois Lane were waiting for me at the cache... wait a minute, isn't that Superman? Did Robin ever "get the girl?" Grandmaster Cache Quote Link to comment
Cape Cod Cacher Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 I placed my caches in places that I hold dear to me. " Bass Hole CAche" is hidden in some old orchards, Crab Creek Cache is hidden in an old area used to be a salt mill and a bog, and sand pit. DO NOT DIG is for new areas, not the old places I cache in. " be polite" is the best thing to say Quote Link to comment
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